So for the 'Serras in Fantasy!' idea, what time period would be used? I personally hope it's early enough that Serras turns the Human lands into something out of the 21st/22nd century.
Basically into a hybrid 'Punk' setting (Steam, Diesel, Cyber, etc). Like Shadowrun, Dresden Files and the like.
I actually want to see techno-mages supporting power armour equipped soldiers and 'Knights' (mecha) fighting the forces of Chaos, Skaven, etc.
Wait, are we talking 40k or fantasy? I don't know that necromancy is even a thing in 40k. and in fantasy I think its its own thing. Called the Lore of Nagash I think. That or Dark Magic, or Lore of Necromancy. Kinda depends on whose using it and when.
So for the 'Serras in Fantasy!' idea, what time period would be used? I personally hope it's early enough that Serras turns the Human lands into something out of the 21st/22nd century.
Basically into a hybrid 'Punk' setting (Steam, Diesel, Cyber, etc). Like Shadowrun, Dresden Files and the like.
I actually want to see techno-mages supporting power armour equipped soldiers and 'Knights' (mecha) fighting the forces of Chaos, Skaven, etc.
Either around Sigmar's reign, to jumpstart the tech, or around Magnus the Pious' so Mage acceptance and having Teclis around can ensure that Great (Wo)man Theory is actually true for once. On the one hand, the Dwarf!Quest would be like 'Questers: Holy shit, 11 crits in a row?! GM: Malice saw End Times and had a decidedly negative reaction, is the reason I'm using, now excuse me while I go buy some wine.' On the other hand, it would decidedly screw the timeline up and a hypothetical Quest would swiftly turn into a power fantasy as the Norsil would still be using primitive weaponry as well and Chaos juice only goes so far when what you have is barely better than nothing. Meanwhile in the Magnus-era start, having a stupidly powerful wizard around to smack down anything really nasty and maybe teach some geniuses in the respective Colleges in turn a decade or three down the line(probably around the point they realize she isn't really aging beyond adulthood and doesn't suffer from Perils the way they normally do unless she's wielding like 6 Winds simultaneously) should do a lot to get the Mages situated properly. Especially if she proceeded to smash Sylvania/Forest of Shadows/Badlands/purge a few dozen minor Dwarf holds of not-Dwarves/blow the Skaven's everything the hell up so even they can't recover within the decade(for all the Empire pretends they don't exist, a lot of the higher-ups are at least tangentially aware that they're a thing)/that one Forest that shows why while the Wood Elves and Fey are nutcases them losing is infinitely worse because Orkoids and Beastmen are infinitely worse and permanently or semi-permanently bettered the Empire in a massive way. With Beta-Tier Light/Bright power, she could.
Heck, Jade Magic applies to geokinesis, so she might construct some kind of land bridge out of Osmium or the like to the Island Albion and making a more permanent link with them. Can you imagine the repercussions? Something similar could probably be done with Cathay and the rest, though Albion is closer, with the obvious time benefits.
not that that dosen't sound intresting. I am wanting more of this quest as soon as possible with maybe a fantasy thing with Hydaelyn as more of a occasional interlude in this story
also ilbgar23 when do you think the next update will be?
OK you know what. I'm out. This quest has become so dense that I can't keep up right now (and maybe ever) so I'm out. I've bookmarked it so I can come back if/when I have the time, but as far as I am aware I haven't participated in this thing for more than a year and I still receive alerts that lead me to posts I no longer even understand the context for. Thank you all for the fun times and I'll read you around. *Salutes*
OK you know what. I'm out. This quest has become so dense that I can't keep up right now (and maybe ever) so I'm out. I've bookmarked it so I can come back if/when I have the time, but as far as I am aware I haven't participated in this thing for more than a year and I still receive alerts that lead me to posts I no longer even understand the context for. Thank you all for the fun times and I'll read you around. *Salutes*
I hope that you find the time to catch up, we'll miss you, but we understand that it can be hard to participate when your behind, and there's only so much time for quests.
They do that IIRC, by literally having multiple thought processes/minds working together in their head. Seras undoubtedly has greater brain power to wield, but all of hers is serial, not parallel. She thinks faster sure, probably faster than all the different thought streams at the same time combined, but that doesn't mean she can hold multiple different mindsets/thought streams like they can.
Unlikely, i mean, if i was the Emperor of Mankind i would not half ass creating my Magnus Opus. There's a reason why he created beings that with time could rival His power simply through sheer potential. So it's not that far-fetched to believe that Primarchs, do, in fact, have Thought Partition, in addition with insane brain processing power, and none of that uses the Warp.
Mm, well, if she got dumped into another universe, as was an option at the Quest beginning, she'd have adapted somewhat to local metaphysics. KH metaphysics would have led to a large amount of magic. Exalted physics to a large amount of Essence. I'd probably have just called it Element in a Pokemon Quest.
In this case, to substituting Jade for Biomancy. The Warp is still kind of a thing, but it works pretty differently, and the amount of passive Biomancy a Primarch needs to function is substantial. Not enough that they'd die instantly if they were shut down completely, but even the weakest(Alpharius) is high-end Beta, and that one has extenuating circumstances, which means they are beyond difficult to completely shut down on an internal level.
Um, what? Is there ever a passage in the books where it's mentioned Primarchs need the Warp to ,well, be Primarchs?
One does not build a mighty fortress on a foundation made of quicksand, the very same way i don't believe Emps would have made [Big-ass Eldar on Steroids].
Rather, judging by his stance towards Psykers - individuals who depend, and at times even worship it due to it's esoteric nature, that it might be for the best for him to just create genetically modified humans, made straight from his own DNA, that don't require the need of the Warp at all to function as Primarchs.
In other words, the most basic application of the Warp, such as enhancing (buffing) all parameters such as Strength, Vitality, Dexterity, Inteligence are unnecessary simply because the DNA is not supported by the Warp, with it's various concepts such as [Demi-god] or [Son of the God of Mankind]. Sure it can be buffed but it doesn't need it at all to function, because the [Vessel] of the [Primarch Soul] abides by the [Laws of the Materium].
What this means is that, by default (no Warp support), the Primarchs, in comparison to a normal humans can be likened as Giants to ants. And once you factor in the Warp, the difference becomes astronomical, from God to ant.
And what else... ah yes, the [Primarch Soul] by default is very strong, not that unusual for it to be at Alpha, it might be hampered a bit by a stronger Veil which hampers the connection between [Vessel] - [Soul], but in general it's quite powerful, and for good reason too, since it's quite likely that Emps created the [Soul of a Primarch] in such a way that nothing short of being poisoned by an Exalted Daemon, or willingly giving up ones [Soul] would allow to succumb to Chaos, so as far as we the readers know, most Primarchs are Dormant Psykers, who instinctually use their powers to protect themselves from Corruption, thus not leaving much psykic might leftover to use for others things, apart from maybe some minor enhacements at times, if they feel under duress.
Personally, i would just drop Serras during the [End of Times].
A light that shines all the more brightly in a bleak and hopeless world that is at it's end.
Serras vs Archaon
The Tyranid FTL system is likely to be seriously detrimental to under Ecumenopoli and make the a huge liability what with it causing massive tectonic/gravitic shifts and all.
On a side note the 'watered down Tyranids' know as the Zerg have them absurdly beat in the FTL department what with them being able to open massive portals in atmosphere capable of moving entire hive clusters between planets/systems.
Unlikely, i mean, if i was the Emperor of Mankind i would not half ass creating my Magnus Opus. There's a reason why he created beings that with time could rival His power simply through sheer potential. So it's not that far-fetched to believe that Primarchs, do, in fact, have Thought Partition, in addition with insane brain processing power, and none of that uses the Warp.
Um, what? Is there ever a passage in the books where it's mentioned Primarchs need the Warp to ,well, be Primarchs?
One does not build a mighty fortress on a foundation made of quicksand, the very same way i don't believe Emps would have made [Big-ass Eldar on Steroids].
Rather, judging by his stance towards Psykers - individuals who depend, and at times even worship it due to it's esoteric nature, that it might be for the best for him to just create genetically modified humans, made straight from his own DNA, that don't require the need of the Warp at all to function as Primarchs.
In other words, the most basic application of the Warp, such as enhancing (buffing) all parameters such as Strength, Vitality, Dexterity, Inteligence are unnecessary simply because the DNA is not supported by the Warp, with it's various concepts such as [Demi-god] or [Son of the God of Mankind]. Sure it can be buffed but it doesn't need it at all to function, because the [Vessel] of the [Primarch Soul] abides by the [Laws of the Materium].
What this means is that, by default (no Warp support), the Primarchs, in comparison to a normal humans can be likened as Giants to ants. And once you factor in the Warp, the difference becomes astronomical, from God to ant.
And what else... ah yes, the [Primarch Soul] by default is very strong, not that unusual for it to be at Alpha, it might be hampered a bit by a stronger Veil which hampers the connection between [Vessel] - [Soul], but in general it's quite powerful, and for good reason too, since it's quite likely that Emps created the [Soul of a Primarch] in such a way that nothing short of being poisoned by an Exalted Daemon, or willingly giving up ones [Soul] would allow to succumb to Chaos, so as far as we the readers know, most Primarchs are Dormant Psykers, who instinctually use their powers to protect themselves from Corruption, thus not leaving much psykic might leftover to use for others things, apart from maybe some minor enhacements at times, if they feel under duress.
Personally, i would just drop Serras during the [End of Times].
A light that shines all the more brightly in a bleak and hopeless world that is at it's end.
Serras vs Archaon
So, I'm writing my SCP tale, and have a question for you all. SCP is full of obscure SCPs and ideas, and no one, even the founders of the site or major contributors, knows all of them. Thus, it has been my practice to link the noted SCP or GOI or whatever when it is first brought up, when doing work like this.
However, some people I have found to not like this style. They prefer to look it up themselves, or infer from context clues, or flex their memorization muscles, as I hardly will be using the most obscure ones, after all.
I see three options. One, I can leave out all links, like I did in my first SCP contribution. Second, I could embed them. Third, I could leave a bibliography of sorts in a spoiler at the end. Do any of you have a preference? I'm leaning towards embedding, but if there are strong opinions, I'd be happy to do otherwise.
Except that, even if that were the case for her brothers, it doesn't change that Serras was formed from warp-stuff, which makes her a warp entity based on the concept of Primarchs. She doesn't function without the warp.
So, I'm writing my SCP tale, and have a question for you all. SCP is full of obscure SCPs and ideas, and no one, even the founders of the site or major contributors, knows all of them. Thus, it has been my practice to link the noted SCP or GOI or whatever when it is first brought up, when doing work like this.
However, some people I have found to not like this style. They prefer to look it up themselves, or infer from context clues, or flex their memorization muscles, as I hardly will be using the most obscure ones, after all.
I see three options. One, I can leave out all links, like I did in my first SCP contribution. Second, I could embed them. Third, I could leave a bibliography of sorts in a spoiler at the end. Do any of you have a preference? I'm leaning towards embedding, but if there are strong opinions, I'd be happy to do otherwise.
Write whatever and however you want. In the end, it's YOU taking the time writing the omake. If people complain needlessly over something so minor, then it's their problem.
Except that, even if that were the case for her brothers, it doesn't change that Serras was formed from warp-stuff, which makes her a warp entity based on the concept of Primarchs. She doesn't function without the warp.
That would mean the slightest contact with an Omega Minus would have her dissipating, which I don't quite believe. I think it will hurt her more than a normal Psyker of her class would je hurt, but not to the extent of dissipating. The Warp Stuff should have solidified into flesh long ago.
Keeping to a writing plan? What's that?
(Note: The link labeled 'Project' is quite a trip)
Tales from SCP
To call oneself Foundation is a bold pronouncement. To claim the title of the arbiter of order, the ones who keep the unusual extraordinary and normalcy intact, would be a bold claim at the best of times. However, the organization titling itself SCP has earned it. While dozens of organizations claim the same work, from religious orders to a United Nations subcommittee, none truly have the organizational might, the wealth of skill and power, of the Foundation. They are the ones that keep the Saturnalian Deer, who pin the Scarlet King to the wall as one would a butterfly, who bind the Starfish away, as best they can. Such a shame, then, that their first great failure would come at the hands of something far more mundane and less dangerous than the metaphysical representation of a planet, the rage of the past against modernity, or a sentient bundle of memes and antimemes.
In orbit above Jupiter, a micrometeorite impacts a satellite. For a brief second, a containment grid has a gap, and a message gets through. The first to notice was Sauelsuesor, who touches her lower abdomen and whispered "Je suis désolé" to the watching solar orbiter. Soon after, even mundane organizations noticed the aftereffects, as the Great Red Spot began to diminish. An XK-Class Shattered World scenario would soon be enacted, by a spacecraft powerful enough to carve out the Gulf of California in a single blow and entirely immune to any weaponry the Foundation, or any group of the supranatural, had any method of stopping.
The Foundation was nothing if not prompt. While the organization had no true allies, not all its enemies were equally terrible, and many would be willing to cooperate should the world itself be in danger. High-level meetings between dozens of GOIs, from the Global Occult Coalition to Three Portlands, seeking some method, any method, of stopping The No-Longer-Broken Destroyer. Likewise, the various SCPs were searched once again for the purpose of finding something that could kill an all-but-invincible spaceship. Some showed promise, but none so much as 4873, or at least 4873-1.
"Assistance? An alien spaceship is approaching, and you can't stop it? Certainly. Hmmm, how to… ah, Mother says she's on her way over. Here's a list of parts she'll need." Basically, a mid-sized scrapyard worth of metals and plastics, nothing extraordinary for the Foundation, who had seen a project that would have been the size of West Virginia and have taken more money than produced in human history as perfectly viable. "She'll be arriving in two hours, and asks you assemble a crew to man the project once it is done."
.-.-.
As Serras landed, she sent out a ping, quickly locating the vessel. Impressive, sure, but not nearly a match for any made by the Bastion. With a thought, the world around her erupted into movement, as the parts the Foundation had assembled reassembled into an escort. However, it would not be a traditional escort, as found in the Bastion's fleet, as the warp drive would be cut out entirely, and the tech would be set back several generations and made larger and more accessible, so that Foundation technicians could repair it in the future with less difficulty.
In the end, the battle was perfunctory. The vessel, which the Foundation insisted on calling 4873-3, didn't quite have the antimatter laser 2399 had, but between the better shields and weapons more than capable of exploiting the remaining broken bits, it didn't need Serras's abilities to provide a win, though they did help. And as it would be a week before the conditions were fortuitous for returning home, she had a week help the Foundation deal with some of it's more stubborn problems.
.-.-.
"This is SCP-682. It's incredibly hostile to all sentience and is all but unkillable. And we should know" said the researcher, handing over a [lightly redacted] test log, "we've tried."
Unfortunately for the very angry lizard, it really had nothing it could do about biomancy on the scale Salnus could muster. It was quickly torn apart into piles of base elements, with the offhand comment of "That's probably dead, but I'd recommend disposing of the remains, just in case."
.-.-.
And thus, many fell, or were more efficiently contained, even if none in the Foundation remembers what exactly happened at 055. The only other of note was the last one, when the daughter of Thernus arrived at Kythera, in order to observe the efforts to build a god.
When she arrived, a bolt of lightning immediately descended from the completely blue sky. The Foundation knew this to convert any who it hit into a Mechanite, and were briefly worried, until they looked again, and saw Serras with her right arm raised, and the bolt of divinity caught in place, writhing a few meters from her open palm. And her eyes, once a bright amber-brown, were pure shining silver.
"A god of machines? … You claim to be benevolent, yet all this? … The FLESH, I see, but why me? … ah, Motive Force, you can see that, … Very well. You will have my aid."
Her hand fell, but the lightning did not hit her. Instead, it wreathed her head, as though a crown, or perhaps a halo. The Mechanites, of all three branches, knelt as one, and even the Horizon representative felt the pressure. It seemed to all a million years at once, visions of steel and fire, building upwards and forming anew, stretching ever onwards.
"Well, repairing a god. Let's get to it, shall we?"
Look, Serras is channeling the Machine God from her universe, so of course this one could see that too. And MECHANE is far more benevolent than the C'Tan remnant the Techpriests worship in her home universe. And it's tradition that when an overpowered individual is introduced into SCP lore, they take a crack at killing the lizard, that's how it works.
So, I have a theory on why Chaos doesn't control the entire galaxy yet despite having the Eldar Homeworlds: The entire conceptual significance wqs used up in the birth of Slaneesh. A Chaos God is no easy thing to make and they are monstrously powerful, so obviously all that power had to come from somewhere. No, I don't think even the entire Eldar species would have had enough psychoc to single handedly create a Chaos God, even if they were very strong psychically.
Though, it could also be that Chaos just doesn't enjoy the advantages that the Darkness brings.
Hm. Can't help but wonder how the SCP is reacting to Hydaelyn's increasing number of Crystal types. It's an annual thing, sure, but most SCPs don't grow or change significantly without outside assistance or coming into contact with others.
Side note, Sarkicism reeks of Nurglite worship. Modified a bit, and the anti-tech bent for the Proto-sects isn't part of it(Chaos is usually pretty neutral on that subject, though Tzeentch favors innovation because change the nature of Chaos sabotages any significant spread of any new tech, while Nurgle's preference for stagnation lends itself merely to maintaining existing tech. Khorne and Slaanesh mostly don't care.) don't quite line up, but the Neo-Sarkic wouldn't be all that out of place. Like, Ion sounds an awful lot like someone trying to become a Daemon Prince or someone who at least thought about it enough to get started, though given he started preaching against pacts with otherworldly beings, he might have had a Heel Realization and flipped, with the Neo and Proto divide being as much over whether to avoid or embrace tech as it is whether they should just do what he says or try and steal Princehood out from under him if they feel like they have a shot.
Theophagy, for example, sounds like a derivation of 'Daemons get a power boost whenever they eat someone's soul.' which could in theory be done with anything that exists, because everything that exists has, if not a soul, then a reflection in the Warp, it's just that souls are the easiest thing to grab, and most efficient for the effort needed.
They even have a whole thing literally called Sacrifice which has them intentionally develop resistance to things people either don't or can't think about without significant mental strain, with 'Everything is going to be destroyed, and then new stuff will be made out of it later like nothing happened.' being the literal example. It also splits along 'Sacrifice the group for yourself.' and 'Sacrifice yourself for the group.' lines, though that's less relevant.
There's more to it than that, but it's similar enough to probably just be treated like some weird splinter faction. I mean, the Neo-Sarkites make pacts with otherworldly beings called Archons. Sounds like Daemons to me.
Hm. Can't help but wonder how the SCP is reacting to Hydaelyn's increasing number of Crystal types. It's an annual thing, sure, but most SCPs don't grow or change significantly without outside assistance or coming into contact with others.
And the ones that do, like the cake, are some of the most dangerous. They're worried, but Hydaelyn has generally been well-enough behaved, so not too worried.
The Sarkics=Nurglite (and relatedly, Mekhanite=Techpriest) connection isn't lost on the fandom, and while your analysis is legitimate, I do have a few points to add.
(SCP canon is what you make of it, this is only my reading, feel free to disagree.)
While similar, the end-goals of the Cult of Yaldabaoth (Sarkism) and Nurgle are very opposed to each other. From what I can tell, Nurgle does actually care about his cultists, just in a twisted, misunderstanding way, Yalda does not. The Foundation found a portal to alternate Earths (Built by Mekhanites) that had alternate War of the Fleshes, and observed their results.
(War of the Flesh is a long story, major involvement from Mekhanites, Sarkics, Daevites, and a bunch of others, that would lead to an eventual technical Mekhanite victory but also the Bronze Age Collapse)
Where the Sarkics won, there were two outcomes. One was a facsimile of a proper world, but all the people replaced by unthinking drones, and all technology by bio-constructs. The other was a flesh hive singing eternal worship to Yaldabaoth.
The major disagreement between TechPriests and Mekhanites is that Mekhanites are strongly pro-innovation, as a general rule. Guided innovation, and flavored by whatever branch they are a part of, but the ban on new tech ideas would horrify them.
And the ones that do, like the cake, are some of the most dangerous. They're worried, but Hydaelyn has generally been well-enough behaved, so not too worried.
The Sarkics=Nurglite (and relatedly, Mekhanite=Techpriest) connection isn't lost on the fandom, and while your analysis is legitimate, I do have a few points to add.
(SCP canon is what you make of it, this is only my reading, feel free to disagree.)
While similar, the end-goals of the Cult of Yaldabaoth (Sarkism) and Nurgle are very opposed to each other. From what I can tell, Nurgle does actually care about his cultists, just in a twisted, misunderstanding way, Yalda does not. The Foundation found a portal to alternate Earths (Built by Mekhanites) that had alternate War of the Fleshes, and observed their results.
(War of the Flesh is a long story, major involvement from Mekhanites, Sarkics, Daevites, and a bunch of others, that would lead to an eventual technical Mekhanite victory but also the Bronze Age Collapse)
Where the Sarkics won, there were two outcomes. One was a facsimile of a proper world, but all the people replaced by unthinking drones, and all technology by bio-constructs. The other was a flesh hive singing eternal worship to Yaldabaoth.
The major disagreement between TechPriests and Mekhanites is that Mekhanites are strongly pro-innovation, as a general rule. Guided innovation, and flavored by whatever branch they are a part of, but the ban on new tech ideas would horrify them.
Hm, yeah that makes sense, Sarkic's end state sounds like some kind of nasty mix of the Empyreal Tyrant and the Tyranids/New Devourer, with Mekhane forced into some nasty decisions because a lot becomes much more palatable when that's your alternative. Kind of like Emps and Chaos.
This is SCP-682. It's incredibly hostile to all sentience and is all but unkillable. And we should know" said the researcher, handing over a [lightly redacted] test log, "we've tried."
Unfortunately for the very angry lizard, it really had nothing it could do about biomancy on the scale Salnus could muster. It was quickly torn apart into piles of base elements, with the offhand comment of "That's probably dead, but I'd recommend disposing of the remains, just in case.
...That was suggested once, they very quickly got a message from the future telling them something along the lines of 'Oh god don't do that it's a horrible idea '
