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Well, Technomancer also would let her single-handedly control the entire Phalanx.
An Extra Primarch
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That's part of why Tactics boosts Emps. Using all that stuff better is a Tactics thing, though knowing what you have and where to use it is Perception, Forging, and Electronics.
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So, in a hypothetical Warhammer Fantasy Sidestory, should I do Hydaelyn in the original Fantasy, and if so what time period, have her be in Age of Sigmar and have her be one of the changes introduced there, or have a 'Serras got dumped there instead.' sidestory, with the other questions applying pretty much the same. I can't help but imagine her as being referred to derisively as Sigmar or Magnus the Pious' attack dog early on, due to the mental and emotional side effects powerful Magic has in that verse, and while Serras would have in-built defenses, mixing the types has been shown to have deleterious effects and being stupidly powerful(probably knocked down to Beta in terms of caps on feats, because Fantasy is just smaller scale, by necessity, though 'mobile hurricane' is still pretty out there even for the setting's peaks) doesn't really help. This would lead to either major instability or a Fabius' style situation with a twist on the clones thing that they were receptacles for a given Wind type, perhaps with receptacles for the powers of different Faiths, which she could replicate due to 'Literally the smartest person on the planet.' and raw might, though much less efficiently and probably wouldn't bother often because the Winds of Magic could do most of the things the others could.
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What about Serras getting found by the Dwarfs? or Settra?
Haedlyn would be a dwarf goddess.
Serras is a minor warp god. Which, should let her handle the multiple winds issues. Like, the Damsels of the Lady of the Lake have access to multiple winds of magic because of her blessings. Makes sense Serras would too. Especially if Hydaelyn existed.
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Actually, if we really want to get technical, Seras shouldn't be using any of the winds at all. She's a psyker, and the closest equivalents to that in Warhammer are the actual gods who aren't using the winds proper, and True Dhar, which can match up decently to standard psykers.
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Oh, right. The focus on the Empire over Brettonnia makes it so I tend to focus on the mechanics of the normal Mages and Sigmar, Ulric and Morr's priesthood over the others beyond the Dwarves. Have to revise that idea then.
Side note, if Leman is the anti-Primarch Primarch, would his Legion be anti-Astartes Astartes?
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Mm, well, if she got dumped into another universe, as was an option at the Quest beginning, she'd have adapted somewhat to local metaphysics. KH metaphysics would have led to a large amount of magic. Exalted physics to a large amount of Essence. I'd probably have just called it Element in a Pokemon Quest.
In this case, to substituting Jade for Biomancy. The Warp is still kind of a thing, but it works pretty differently, and the amount of passive Biomancy a Primarch needs to function is substantial. Not enough that they'd die instantly if they were shut down completely, but even the weakest(Alpharius) is high-end Beta, and that one has extenuating circumstances, which means they are beyond difficult to completely shut down on an internal level.
I think that's the Iron Warriors or Alpha Legion.
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And I think that Rus is less "Anti-Primarch" and more "Anti-Champion".
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in that case you'd really need something funky going on as any time Seras tries to use any other wind she'd automatically be making dhar, though her nature as an incarnated god, probably an incarnated god of magic would help with that.
I'd assume she'd be as good as an Elf really. And they CAN channel all the winds of magic at once without making Dhar, instead making High-Magic/True-Magic. Qhayish.
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They do that IIRC, by literally having multiple thought processes/minds working together in their head. Seras undoubtedly has greater brain power to wield, but all of hers is serial, not parallel. She thinks faster sure, probably faster than all the different thought streams at the same time combined, but that doesn't mean she can hold multiple different mindsets/thought streams like they can.
I mean, if she can run multiple different psyker powers at once... maybe she can?
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I can walk and chew gum at the same time just like every human wizard in Warhammer Fantasy, that doesn't mean they can do what the elves can
Sure, but doesn't each discipline of psykery require a different thought process to use? Like Biomancy, vs Pyromancy, vs Technomancy?
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I don't recall that ever coming up, and I've read 40K books with psyker MCs, so I'm pretty sure no. People can have different talent levels with the various disciplines, and can use multiple, so no I'm pretty sure they don't have the same interaction method.
Also, using a discipline does not have the mental, physical, and spiritual effects on the one doing so as using one of the winds, which further differentiates them.
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Possible, but the former would probably dump her with the manlings if they were near the Empire(and not Chaos Dwarves), and the latter... yeah, enough skill with the Life and Death Winds would probably let her 'clone' bodies for them to move their souls into, and she could just do it again and again as time passed, since she would be all but immortal even with Beta-level feats as her limit.
Eh, Elf minds are structured differently. Multiple Serras minds would probably end up more like the TTS Omake I made. It works, more or less, but it kind of has obvious side effects.
This. Different metaphysics are different metaphysics. Serras can brute force it to some degree, and it not being healthy can be overridden by literal engineering and Jade Magic, but she will run into problems if she has to do high-level feats with that kind of system to work with. Though, I imagine at higher 'Skill' levels she'd be able to rip the Dhar apart. On that note, I'd probably render the various schools of Magic as a tree of nine or so kind of like the early Perks, with Theory and Lore replacing Education and Esoteric, with the explanation being that every Mage had them, with Ice Wizards and the like having unique trees unlocked by their Class with certain disadvantages (Dawi Rune have their Rules, Elves have their passion and Dark Eldar issues, Chaos has the whole 'Could randomly mutate horrifically if the spell goes wrong.' Damsels and the like have to obey their faith's tenets or suffer power incontinence at best and outright backfiring at worst.) there, and unless you fell to Chaos the others were locked once you picked if you were a normal character, and the only opportunity for more supernatural powers there was to join up with a priesthood(Wind of Death and Morr seem like they'd get along pretty well, they both hate the undead.) and with all the anti-Mage prejudice to the point of often literally being in the lawbooks that would be incredibly difficult even if your Wind and the faith in question were completely compatible, which is rare.
As an abnormal character, Serras would be the exception, though Jade would, by default, by one of her first picks for the reasons mentioned earlier in the thread. She'd need a teacher, and she'd be under heavy scrutiny for being able to use multiple Winds without obvious Chaos corruption or going insane pretty much instantly.
It helps, sure, but a cold pyromancer could exist without major effect on their powers, just as a cheerful necromantic Daemonologist(That discipline is basically the budget-sorcery discipline that deals with souls, Warp deals, and Daemons, right? I'm a little rusty on the exact definitions.) could exist without it really affecting how many zombies they could send at you.
This, basically.
It should be explained how High Elves learn and use magic;
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An Elf learns one Lore until they master it.
Then they completely set aside the Lore they have just mastered to learn a new one.
Repeat this until they master the Eight Winds.
Then and only then will they learn High Magic, and only when they have a handle on High Magic will they use any of the previous Lores they have learned.
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Surprisingly no. it deals with the Warp/Chaos. Basically, being able to infuse your body with Warp energy to make it stronger temporarily, open rifts into the warp to suck things in, teleport, banish daemons. Stuff like that.
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Huh. So is necromancy it's own thing or what?
Wait, are we talking 40k or fantasy? I don't know that necromancy is even a thing in 40k. and in fantasy I think its its own thing. Called the Lore of Nagash I think. That or Dark Magic, or Lore of Necromancy. Kinda depends on whose using it and when.
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40K. I could swear it was a thing Psykers could do. I mean, Nurgle's Plague Zombies are a thing, but that's Nurgle. On the other hand, 40K gods tend to just do stuff any Psyker could if they really, really worked at it and were a Gamma-Apex, depending on the individual feat.