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An Extra Primarch

Should the Quest switch to a Narrative Base?

  • Yes, it will streamline things.

    Votes: 345 40.6%

  • No, I prefer the current system.

    Votes: 127 14.9%

  • Yes, but not until the Crusade begins/Prologue ends.

    Votes: 378 44.5%
  • Total voters
    850
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Acolyte said:
Or just use fuck of wraithbone laced nukes. Just thousands of nukes. Lets see how well that does it and then scale up. Antimatter and gravity bombs. Pretty sure that would be enough to kill him.
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Whom do you mean? If you mean Surtr, then not really. The dude killed the entire Norse pantheon himself and devoured Fenrir, who himself devoured a World of Ice. So his body is at the same time absolute zero and as hot as the sun, or hotter, if I remember right.

Zennishi said:
"Sigh" Do people even bother to properly read what i write?
"Serras's biggest strength isn't her raw physical power, or warp/magical prowess, even if she's quite good there too, but her critical thinking skills, the same skills that allowed her to fix issues such as matter manipulation-replicator, negentrophy and FTL travel in the first place! "
The main difference between her and other Heroic Spirits is that she's a Da Vinci, Zhuge Liang, Assassin etc rolled with a Gilgamesh, on steroids.
Again, i reiterate the fact that it's not her Power - Strength, , but her Mind, the fact that Serras is Serras, that allows her to look at things, and find out of the box solutions - she's more than a Fighter, she's a Problem Solver/munchkin.

In other words! Serras's strength doesn't lie in her Servant Parameters (in fact, fuck the Parameters), but her personality - striving for perfection and willingness to adapt, , never mind her memories that makes her who she is.
Let me put it this way, if Serras really wanted to OP herself, all she would have to do is use her Negetrophy Project, create/combine it with Nikola Tesla's or Frankenstein's Galvanism and get an endless amount of Mana Supply/Pseudo Third Heaven's Feel Magic.
Never mind her Education/Psyker is Divine ranked/maxed out so that means that she can literally dissect Heroic Spirits with but a brief cursory glance/examination and learn what makes them tick, and how she can use 'Alteration' (if a mortal human like Aozaki can come up with it in Fate/Extra then rest assured Serras can) to modify/improve her Parameters/Container/Skills to make herself OP, never mind doing the same to her Enemies with Psyker EX, hey, everything is possible with enough Mana.

In conclusion, nothing short of getting nuked from the get go/summoning through some convoluted time paradox/RAW POWER + Dimensional Manipulation Lock is likely to put Serras down.

And before you go on a tangent on how much you people want to fanwank Nasuverse (trust me, i want to as well), do keep in mind that Serras is BULLSHIT, We made her BULLSHIT. If you don't believe me then reread the entire Quest and the Actions we made Serras do in the past 16 Turns/Years (Yes, years! not even Girlyman/Emperor can beat that!), then come back to me and tell me, what kind of munchkin monstrosity we created.
If you people want Serras to be given a challenge, simply use acerak's Serras Into Canon idea where the Serras used is a young one, a turn 10 Serras for example and isekai her to your desired crossover.
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*Looks at Solomon, Gilgamesh, Merlin and literally every other Caster from the Age of Gods* Nice story bro, sadly canon disproves this. We have multiple Divine level Casters in F/GO.

And before you ask, Nasu himself stated that he wants to go into High Fantasy and leave the Urban Fantasy behind.
 
Xela63 said:
Whom do you mean? If you mean Surtr, then not really. The dude killed the entire Norse pantheon himself and devoured Fenrir, who himself devoured a World of Ice. So his body is at the same time absolute zero and as hot as the sun, or hotter, if I remember right.


*Looks at Solomon, Gilgamesh, Merlin and literally every other Caster from the Age of Gods* Nice story bro, sadly canon disproves this. We have multiple Divine level Casters in F/GO.

And before you ask, Nasu himself stated that he wants to go into High Fantasy and leave the Urban Fantasy behind.
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That didn't make any sense, but whatever.

ilbgar123 said:
I don't know, when I stuck her in FF13, she failed to stop the end of the world and watched Cactuar, one of the only decent Fal'Cie, die because of her failures, because 'And then reality stopped making sense.' like the Formless Chaos, the Warp eating the Materium, etc. is something even the setting's equivalent of God, who otherwise required literally the entire human race who'd ever lived combining their power to put down (and it's all but outright stated he's hibernating instead of dead), couldn't do. Similarly, if she ran into any of the Magic Gods in Magical Index, she'd have to try and talk her way out, because a direct fight would leave her very dead very fast.
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"Shrug" I guess it all depends on how Serras develops. Canon-wise, in this story Serras learnt an important lesson early on about her limitations, that despite her obvious superiority over humans she still is a being that can make mistakes and fail, thus teaching her the meaning of 'Big Fish, small pond.Small fish, Big Ocean.', giving her the motivation to strive onward even when it seems like she is at the top, esentially not growing complacent.
Nevermind the fact that she has access to dozen of millennia worth of knowledge to draw from, or most importantly, the resources to experiment.
 
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Zennishi said:
That didn't make any sense, but whatever.

"Shrug" I guess it all depends on how Serras develops. Canon-wise, in this story Serras learnt an important lesson early on about her limitations, that despite her obvious superiority over humans she still is a being that can make mistakes and fail, thus teaching her the meaning of 'Big Fish, small pond.Small fish, Big Ocean.', giving her the motivation to strive onward even when it seems like she is at the top.
Nevermind the fact that she has access to dozen of millennia worth of knowledge to draw from, or most importantly, the resources to experiment.
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I meant that she wasn't automatically going to stomp any other setting she was put into. The universe collapsing or people who can completely rewrite the timeline on a whim is not something she can fight on even ground. She can fight it if she has information, in the FF13 universe she managed to hold back the Chaos for a while with things similar to Cadian pylons, but the monsters overran them eventually, for example. Ars Goetia would also be problematic for this reason. As Serras is technically a Warp Entity and thus only needs her biology working because she thinks she does(which could apply to the canonical Primarchs to some degree) the Anti-Life NPs of Surtr would work, sure, but her 'magic' lets her make Clarketech blades from effectively nothing, and her intellect can let her make spaceships to rain continent crackers on the head of any Beast or the like. Like, Deathstrike/Dreadstrike Missiles are ICBM nukes that can hit you from a thousand kilometers away. I don't think anything Surtr can do besides that Anti-World NP can do that, and she could always make a Life Eater analogue or a Cyclonic Torpedo if she wanted to manufacture one of her own. Heck, it wouldn't be that hard to design a weapon intended to obliterate the planet's core, which, at best, would cause massive supervolcanic eruptions, earthquakes, tsunamis, and of course screw up the magnetosphere, which most planets kind of need, and at worst basically turn the planet inside out, mostly depending on size and geological activity. She could probably make Titans a thing in ten years if she wanted to, and an Apocalypse Titan is, as the name suggests, a walking apocalypse capable of killing an entire planet in a week if it's not facing an equivalent or an overstrength Titan Legion.

It's just that 'And then the planet stopped existing.' is a problem she's not equipped to handle. It's not even a Daemonic Incursion, it's more akin to a World in Kingdom Hearts getting dragged into the Realm of Darkness. That's what the Warp overtaking the Materium or the Formless Chaos eating the current reality, or, obviously, the Darkness overtaking the universe would be like. Like you said, she's more of an inventor or sorcerer than a fighter. Even restricted futuresight would be a massive tactical boon, especially since her nature lets her ignore normal timeline changes, as demonstrated in the FF13 story, where she stuck with the main timeline throughout. It would also be a problem for Goetia, because the way Warp Entities work means that preventing their creation isn't an automatic win. It helps a lot, but they persist for a while, because they're potential in addition to actual existing things. This is why the Warp is such a deathtrap, since Daemons will resist even most forms of inflicting True Death there, and Daemons that would never survive trying to maintain themselves in objective reality can party all they like.
 
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Acolyte said:
So what you are saying is we need to mix the pylons with the runes to reinforce our realities rules everywhere.
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Not really, i mean the pylons are Anti Warp already, and it gave Chaos enough of a headache in canon 40k that they created the Black Crusade to destroy Cadia to find out what it is that blocked the spread of Chaos, so you don't really need to combine them with Runes.
 
Zennishi said:
Not really, i mean the pylons are Anti Warp already, and it gave Chaos enough of a headache in canon 40k that they created the Black Crusade to destroy Cadia to find out what it is that blocks the spread of Chaos, so you don't really need to combine them with Runes.
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Thays why, the pylons push away the reality eating beings. The runes reinforce reality.
 
ilbgar123 said:
I meant that she wasn't automatically going to stomp any other setting she was put into. The universe collapsing or people who can completely rewrite the timeline on a whim is not something she can fight on even ground. She can fight it if she has information, in the FF13 universe she managed to hold back the Chaos for a while with things similar to Cadian pylons, but the monsters overran them eventually, for example. Ars Goetia would also be problematic for this reason. As Serras is technically a Warp Entity and thus only needs her biology working because she thinks she does(which could apply to the canonical Primarchs to some degree) the Anti-Life NPs of Surtr would work, sure, but her 'magic' lets her make Clarketech blades from effectively nothing, and her intellect can let her make spaceships to rain continent crackers on the head of any Beast or the like. Like, Deathstrike/Dreadstrike Missiles are ICBM nukes that can hit you from a thousand kilometers away. I don't think anything Surtr can do besides that Anti-World NP can do that, and she could always make a Life Eater analogue or a Cyclonic Torpedo if she wanted to manufacture one of her own. Heck, it wouldn't be that hard to design a weapon intended to obliterate the planet's core, which, at best, would cause massive supervolcanic eruptions, earthquakes, tsunamis, and of course screw up the magnetosphere, which most planets kind of need, and at worst basically turn the planet inside out, mostly depending on size and geological activity. She could probably make Titans a thing in ten years if she wanted to, and an Apocalypse Titan is, as the name suggests, a walking apocalypse capable of killing an entire planet in a week if it's not facing an equivalent or an overstrength Titan Legion.

It's just that 'And then the planet stopped existing.' is a problem she's not equipped to handle. It's not even a Daemonic Incursion, it's more akin to a World in Kingdom Hearts getting dragged into the Realm of Darkness. That's what the Warp overtaking the Materium or the Formless Chaos eating the current reality, or, obviously, the Darkness overtaking the universe would be like. Like you said, she's more of an inventor or sorcerer than a fighter. Even restricted futuresight would be a massive tactical boon, especially since her nature lets her ignore normal timeline changes, as demonstrated in the FF13 story, where she stuck with the main timeline throughout. It would also be a problem for Goetia, because the way Warp Entities work means that preventing their creation isn't an automatic win. It helps a lot, but they persist for a while, because they're potential in addition to actual existing things. This is why the Warp is such a deathtrap, since Daemons will resist even most forms of inflicting True Death there, and Daemons that would never survive trying to maintain themselves in objective reality can party all they like.
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Huh, that's odd, i could have sworn that when Serras reached Combat:Melee 200 the description for that rank changed to "...you're better than the Emperor at fighting", unless you changed it of course.
 
Zennishi said:
If you people want Serras to be given a challenge, simply use acerak's Serras Into Canon idea where the Serras used is a young one, a turn 10 Serras for example and isekai her to your desired crossover.
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I don't know where people get this idea. Serras is not young in my series, she's nearly 13,000 years old by this point. What exactly do people think is a challenge for her? Because she said she can't heal Guilliman by herself?

Lone Courier 6 said:
To be honest, I'm sick of all the crossover serras stuff anyway, it's just a barely different flavor of warhammer stomp fests.
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As opposed to this quest, where we've basically gone full Mary Sue. No stomping here.

Look, it's a stomp series. I get that. But that's the whole point. The reason people like what I write, I suspect, is because I go more in depth with the stomp and explore other options.
 
acerak said:
I don't know where people get this idea. Serras is not young in my series, she's nearly 13,000 years old by this point. What exactly do people think is a challenge for her? Because she said she can't heal Guilliman by herself?


As opposed to this quest, where we've basically gone full Mary Sue. No stomping here.

Look, it's a stomp series. I get that. But that's the whole point. The reason people like what I write, I suspect, is because I go more in depth with the stomp and explore other options.
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Well, the main problem, as i've stated before is that Serras is only 16 years old (16th Turn), and has already maxed Psyker and Education to Divine rank, while already being great at others, so... you know, at the rate we're going we're probably going to max our Disciplines at around Turn 30-40.
Though on a side note, is your Serras fully maxed out stat wise? o_O
 
acerak said:
As opposed to this quest, where we've basically gone full Mary Sue. No stomping here.
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I think that the actual situation has less to do with Serras going full Mary Sue, and more with us using every exploit possible in the system in a vicious circle of grinding to get more actions, and use those actions for more grinding, that we invested in getting more actions... Until we have ended up with a completely broken character that wouldn't be out of place among the Heavy Hittters of the Justice League...
 
Zennishi said:
Though on a side note, is your Serras fully maxed out stat wise? o_O
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Quite a bit beyond that. But as you're going to see, there's a price to be paid for such power. What did Serras pay, I wonder?

Fanhunter696 said:
I think that the actual situation has less to do with Serras going full Mary Sue, and more with us using every exploit possible in the system in a vicious circle of grinding to get more actions, and use those actions for more grinding, that we invested in getting more actions... Until we have ended up with a completely broken character that wouldn't be out of place among the Heavy Hittters of the Justice League...
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And that's fine. But if this were a fanfic, the description of "OC female Primarch who is an Alpha-level psyker, immune to the Warp, built an interstellar empire, discovered or re-invented old technology from the DAOT, is on good/neutral terms with every other Primarch met thus far, created a Goddess, and managed to get multiple alien species as fully allied into her empire" would have the character declared a Mary Sue between the time of the thread's creation and the first story post.
 
That is sort of the point of Primarchs. When you face overpowered infinite enemies, you fuck up in an equally as awful manner. Not to mention the Emperor can, should he find a temporary occupant for the Astronomican, Thanos any Primarch easily.
 
acerak said:
And that's fine. But if this were a fanfic, the description of "OC female Primarch who is an Alpha-level psyker, immune to the Warp, built an interstellar empire, discovered or re-invented old technology from the DAOT, is on good/neutral terms with every other Primarch met thus far, created a Goddess, and managed to get multiple alien species as fully allied into her empire" would have the character declared a Mary Sue between the time of the thread's creation and the first story post.
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wasn't the definition of a mary sue as someone who does not earn or have a valid reason for anything they have? like instantly know skills or having super rare items because of 'luck'? While in 40K serras would have the valid reason of being a gene enhanced super human designed by a DAOT level scientist immortal and given psychic powers that literally warps reality and contains the souls of the dead which she could ask for knowledge?
so being super strong/skilled? Gene enhancments
knowledge? gene enhanced brains and psychic resources
super strong psyker? gene enhanced
build interstellar empire/reinvent tech/being on good terms with primarchs? digital hive mind from another dimension/universe taking control of her fleshy gene enhanced meat sack to make her bake a cake. :V

edit: for example Rey from star wars was considered a mary sue because she literally managed to defeat a trained sith in mental combat with no training, and for some reason was stronger and more skilled than anakin skywalker the strongest force user by midichlorian count without any training whatsoever?
 
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Wait, does Serras actually have Pioneer of the Stars? If so, that would be terrifying indeed, considering Drake, another Servant who has PotS, nabbed the Holy Grail in Okeanos from Poseidon, as far as I'm aware. So there could indeed be some bullshit things that Serras can do, though by herself she will still represent no serious threat. But she will be a reasonably big force multiplier. Though it's debatable if her future sight works as well as normally, considering not even Caster Gilgamesh had foreseen everything and his NP is to be omniscient.
 
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