An Extra Primarch

Should the Quest switch to a Narrative Base?

  • Yes, it will streamline things.

    Votes: 345 40.5%
  • No, I prefer the current system.

    Votes: 127 14.9%
  • Yes, but not until the Crusade begins/Prologue ends.

    Votes: 379 44.5%

  • Total voters
    851
Hmm. If it was that easy, and the filthy Mon-keigh are able to make planet crackers, why did the eldar leave any tomb worlds?
Among other reasons. because when inactive most tomb worlds are nearly impossible to find/detect, and the remainder and in nifty and hard to assault places. For example, IIRC there's 1 that sits in the core of a star.
My pet theory is that stage 2 is some kind of gravitational inversion field, using the planets mass against it.
HIGHLY unlikely. 3 reasons I can think of.
1) They've never shown gravatic tricks on this scale, either in size or in production numbers.
2) This is called Cyclonic stage 2, which means it should be related to the cyclonic stage 1 torpedo, which definitely doesn't work via gravity fuckery.
3) The imperium has shown the ability to brute force mass scatter planets before, for example when the Night Lords fleet destroyed Nostramo, a planet mostly made of adamantium IIRC, through bombardment. Hell, its stated the navy's preferred method of exterminatus is just firing on it till the surface is lava.
 
Fuckoff yuge fleet. If cyclonic torpedoes smaller than a frigate are possible, I want in on that, but I doubt that they are. Maybe imperial propaganda?

Plus, for gameplay reasons, that would be broken af.
or just make a super huge nova cannon and fire fragmentation shredder rounds the size of a emperor class battleship
 
There will be shellworlds. We need to get on that. Mantle well mining and all that needs to start up first. Everybody else gets huge structures/ships, why not us? Imagine dorn and Perturabo with shellworlds to play with.
 
Exterminatus weapons are not a cure all. Some descriptions of cyclonic torpedoes say that they are nanite weapons that devour all things organic, then decay. How would that work on necrons, who's nanites would eat ours for breakfast, or tyranids who's immune system would adapt instantly? Necrons and tyranids have abilities to still the warp, so vortex weapons are out. Singularity weapons wouldnt be that great an idea against necrons, the current undisputed champions of material engineering. (Maybe tyranids, unless navwhales have tricks up thier sleeves?)

You can't just say "big gun" because if it was that simple, it would have been done by now.
Cyclonic weapons use warp rifts as weapons not nanites.
Necrons are specificlly vauneable to warp that is there whole deal.
And even nids wont really deal well with being thrown in the warp without a geller field. Remeber nids dont use the warp to travel and dont ha geller fields.
So yeah big gun i
Hmm. If it was that easy, and the filthy Mon-keigh are able to make planet crackers, why did the eldar leave any tomb worlds?

It's obviously a more energetic explosion than fusion, but also highly situational. My pet theory is that stage 2 is some kind of gravitational inversion field, using the planets mass against it. Anywho, the necrons could whip up some technobable to stop such weapons. Orks have the belief in thier planet.


I was assuming that he was talking about jumping both in and out with subspace. Which would work in a sane universe, but the laws of physics are different in Warhammer.

Both the necrons and Tau, who we can assume know what they're doing, have thrusters on thier ships with exhaust. There is no real world way that the rocket exhaust would be feasible in the real world, but Warhammer has promethium/tylium. Physics is different. That dosen't even get into the probability bending nature of the warp.
Hmm. If it was that easy, and the filthy Mon-keigh are able to make planet crackers, why did the eldar leave any tomb worlds?

It's obviously a more energetic explosion than fusion, but also highly situational. My pet theory is that stage 2 is some kind of gravitational inversion field, using the planets mass against it. Anywho, the necrons could whip up some technobable to stop such weapons. Orks have the belief in thier planet.


I was assuming that he was talking about jumping both in and out with subspace. Which would work in a sane universe, but the laws of physics are different in Warhammer.

Both the necrons and Tau, who we can assume know what they're doing, have thrusters on thier ships with exhaust. There is no real world way that the rocket exhaust would be feasible in the real world, but Warhammer has promethium/tylium. Physics is different. That dosen't even get into the probability bending nature of the warp.
Subspace is part of this quest. We literally have it. So no the laws allow this.
Mandeville Points are not near planets, you can't jump to close proximity of planets unless your chaos, why are you saying jumping away with subspace is fixing this?
Subspace can literally jump anywhere. No problem with jumping to planets. It is startrek warp.
 
Cyclonic weapons use warp rifts as weapons not nanites.
Necrons are specificlly vauneable to warp that is there whole deal.
And even nids wont really deal well with being thrown in the warp without a geller field. Remeber nids dont use the warp to travel and dont ha geller fields.
So yeah big gun i


Subspace is part of this quest. We literally have it. So no the laws allow this.

Subspace can literally jump anywhere. No problem with jumping to planets. It is startrek warp.
So what your trying to say is that your right and everyone else should stop arguing against your opinion?
Since you know your whole grand idea rests on the single concept of your view being the only way things work.
I imagine Ilbgar123 would dispute your authority over his version of canon.
 
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I wonder how much material Seras is able to summon and shape at once. I just had a sort of idea about her splitting her attention during her coffee breaks and just sorta adding stuff to a space station in orbit. Just 10 minute intervals of work, maybe 20 minutes a day. It would be kinda like screwing around with a fidget spinner, only rather than spinning a plastic toy, she adds a couple of rooms. Or she adds a reactor. Maybe a hydroponics bay. How bout some armored bulkheads.

Until eventually it becomes less a space station and more of a planetoid. Then she covers the surface in a quarter kilometer of armor, and then drops a metric assload of nova cannons onto the surface of the new battle planetoid.
 
I wonder how much material Seras is able to summon and shape at once. I just had a sort of idea about her splitting her attention during her coffee breaks and just sorta adding stuff to a space station in orbit. Just 10 minute intervals of work, maybe 20 minutes a day. It would be kinda like screwing around with a fidget spinner, only rather than spinning a plastic toy, she adds a couple of rooms. Or she adds a reactor. Maybe a hydroponics bay. How bout some armored bulkheads.

Until eventually it becomes less a space station and more of a planetoid. Then she covers the surface in a quarter kilometer of armor, and then drops a metric assload of nova cannons onto the surface of the new battle planetoid.

That would've been both AWESOME and HILARIOUS at the same time.


Though... pardon me for voicing this, as I am not an expert on 40K (I'm more of a Fantasy guy, myself), but how could she managed to do such as you described.

Know that I am NOT rebutting you nor am I rejecting any form statement. I am just...

...curious, yes. Curious.

Like, how could she create atoms, materials, metals, organic lifeform, anything really... FROM ABSOLUTELY NOTHING?!

That is in violation of the Law of Conservation of Energy: "—that energy can neither be created nor destroyed; rather, it can only be transformed or transferred from one form to another."

So how did she do it?! Is it Warp Fuckery? And if so, can anyone describe it, in great detail (Preferably with Citations), at how could someone create someting out of nothing?

Because frankly... I am in a state of astonishment and bewilderment at this PARTICULAR ability.

So... please?
 
That would've been both AWESOME and HILARIOUS at the same time.


Though... pardon me for voicing this, as I am not an expert on 40K (I'm more of a Fantasy guy, myself), but how could she managed to do such as you described.

Know that I am NOT rebutting you nor am I rejecting any form statement. I am just...

...curious, yes. Curious.

Like, how could she create atoms, materials, metals, organic lifeform, anything really... FROM ABSOLUTELY NOTHING?!

That is in violation of the Law of Conservation of Energy: "—that energy can neither be created nor destroyed; rather, it can only be transformed or transferred from one form to another."

So how did she do it?! Is it Warp Fuckery? And if so, can anyone describe it, in great detail (Preferably with Citations), at how could someone create someting out of nothing?

Because frankly... I am in a state of astonishment and bewilderment at this PARTICULAR ability.

So... please?
Don't have a citation at hand, but can't she summon her Adamantium Knives from nothing?
 
That would've been both AWESOME and HILARIOUS at the same time.


Though... pardon me for voicing this, as I am not an expert on 40K (I'm more of a Fantasy guy, myself), but how could she managed to do such as you described.

Know that I am NOT rebutting you nor am I rejecting any form statement. I am just...

...curious, yes. Curious.

Like, how could she create atoms, materials, metals, organic lifeform, anything really... FROM ABSOLUTELY NOTHING?!

That is in violation of the Law of Conservation of Energy: "—that energy can neither be created nor destroyed; rather, it can only be transformed or transferred from one form to another."

So how did she do it?! Is it Warp Fuckery? And if so, can anyone describe it, in great detail (Preferably with Citations), at how could someone create someting out of nothing?

Because frankly... I am in a state of astonishment and bewilderment at this PARTICULAR ability.

So... please?
Basically, a reverse of fission using the warp. The Warp is weird as shit but it's still a form of energy, so she just takes some of it and turns it into matter. The reason why the warp is necessary is because it is the only thing that can stop heat death.
 
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I wonder how much material Seras is able to summon and shape at once.
Matter creation pre Divine Psykery:
2. Given your statement that Serras can create 10 kg/s of matter, I was wondering whether than included exotic forms of matter like anti-matter?

3. At what range can matter be created?

4. Is the matter created in increments of one second, or is it continuously created over milliseconds?
2a. Yes.
3a. Anywhere she can see or perceive with her powers.
4a. 10 kg is the total over the course of a second. 0.5 seconds would result in 5 kilograms.
For reference:
Energy Crystals produce the energy equivalent of 2.5 kilograms per second, to be exact.



Law of Conservation of Energy: "—that energy can neither be created nor destroyed; rather, it can only be transformed or transferred from one form to another."
With the Warp, the laws of reality become mere suggestions.

The reason why the warp is necessary is because it is the only thing that can stop heat death.
Not really? Our Energy crystals were explicitly stated to create energy ex nihilo even without the Warp, it's just slower.
 
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Yeah, should've guessed the Warp was HEAVILY at play here.

So... her ability is Canon-ish, yeah? Empy and Magnus could've done the same. And if they want, they could produce Auramite out of thin air, huh?


Huh. Ain't that broken. I liked it.
 
They're Warp-baed Crystals formed from Immaterial energies.
Ah, but they're not. Not really.
While 90% of this energy is converted from Warp energy, the remaining tenth doesn't appear to come from anywhere at all. It isn't mundane energy converted from psychic energy, it's simply appearing from nothing, so far as your scientific instruments and psychic powers can discern
[...]
energy could be produced freely even if the Warp were to stop being a viable source of energy for it to draw from.
[Hydaelyn and Crystals are] based off of a set of physics that rewrites local physics to match, unlike the Warp which tends to have it's influence directly limited by the amount of Warp-yness present, and not really have many rules to begin with. The Heartless being part of said set of physics does not help.
KH physics have this nasty habit of overriding the physics of other settings.
 
So what your trying to say is that your right and everyone else should stop arguing against your opinion?
Since you know your whole grand idea rests on the single concept of your view being the only way things work.
I imagine Ilbgar123 would dispute your authority over his version of canon.
No just people keep saying we couldnt do anything against these factions. I just presented something we could easily do.
 
No just people keep saying we couldnt do anything against these factions. I just presented something we could easily do.

Nobody said that we couldn't do anything against them. We just keep saying, that right now they would doom us. The Krork alone would be bad, add the Tyranids and maybe even the New Devourer and the Necrons? We don't have enough manpower or ships that hit hard enough for that. We aren't the Federation of Man, we don't have their Super Planet Busters.
 
Nobody said that we couldn't do anything against them. We just keep saying, that right now they would doom us. The Krork alone would be bad, add the Tyranids and maybe even the New Devourer and the Necrons? We don't have enough manpower or ships that hit hard enough for that. We aren't the Federation of Man, we don't have their Super Planet Busters.
People literally said that.
Yet.
 
Eve's Stars(Non-canon)(+10 to roll of your choice)
What, nothing for an entire day? This can't go on! Here, have an Omake.

Serras in general, likes technological advancement. She may not be obsessed with it, like the Adeptus Mechanicus is about finding so-called "Archeotech", but she considered it a necessity for the human race to advance. For her, too much stagnation means inevitable death. An Empire could be as large as it wanted, it will still die to a thousand paper cuts, if it didn't progress while others did.

So of course, she is intrigued about finding old technologies and inventing new ones. Very much in fact, she encouraged it even. A bright example of that were the Stellar Bellows and the planned Singularity Bellows.

But still, her core tenet is to invent new technologies, make humanity independent of other entities. A big entity in that way was the Warp. Not just the Gods of Chaos, but the Warp in its entirety. So she tried to search for alternative means of traveling faster than light by other means. Still, her search proved fruitless at first.

Then she got a notification, that her Explorer Corps contacted a Polity to the west of her holdings. Alltogether, they weren't that big. It was only consisting of 30 Planets when all was said and done.

A curious thing about them though, was their fleet size. For 30 Planets, it was huge. They possessed a total of 500 of what would be Escorts, their so-called "Battleships" and even more numerous smaller craft that certainly didn't lack the punch to deal with any enemy. But that wasn't it, further they possessed around 100 Cruiser-sized ships, their so-called "Capital Ships". And if that wasn't enough, they had 10 Dreadnought-sized ships in their backhand, their "Supercarriers", if she was told correctly.

Still, the largest force multiplier were 5 ships of what they called "Titans". No, she didn't mean the Titans made by the Adeptus Mechanicus. Though the equation would be not far off. They were all at least 13 kilometers in axis length, some even longer and were generally hulking monstrosities in space.

What made Serras shudder about them, was their equipment. They could bring to bear Doomsday weapons. The name was very appropriate, or so Serras thought, they could wipe the life off a planet in a single shot, or so their data suggested anyway.

Their technology was what got Serras really curious though. Some of their main armaments were Railguns, and their short-range equivalent, the "Blaster", that could fire Antimatter charges. They even mastered Nanites, going so far as repairing their ships mid-fight without impacting the fighting ability of the ship. This went further, in that they are able to do this remotely too, with an entire of their so-called "logistics wing" dedicated to each of their fleets to keep their ships alive while under attack.

Serras was officially intrigued, when they mentioned their FTL method. They didn't have to enter the Warp, they could do it by entering so-called "Subspace". They explained, that it was like a 4th​ dimension, where quick travel in system and between systems was possible. Though the technicalities escaped her for now, she would have to sit down and buy some of their "Blueprints" for their technology.

Still, what made Serras concerned was their leaders claim of "Immortality" of some of his citizens. Appearently, they were Infomorphs that would get their conscious transfered to a new clone just waiting for them upon death. That way, they could gain much more experience than the regular ship captain. Appearantly, they are directly connected to their ships by means, that he wouldn't yet explain, making most of the crew unnecessary because the so-called "Capsuleer" could do most of the functions of the ship on his own. Though Serras didn't know what to make of their claim of comming to this place via a wormhole. But it scared her, that where they come from, such a military was considered small for such a small amount of planets.

Another curiousity was their industry. If her calculations and their claims of the speed of their industry was right, then the building of ships would get accelerated by a factor of ten. What really scares her is the output of their "Sotiyos". Large Engineering Complexes, that could build 10 of their Titans at the same time and only needed 3 months to complete a batch of them.

Whatever the matter, she had to come out of her swooning about the potential technologies and continue the diplomatic talks with them. She hoped to integrate them, though they have a very independant streak. They only wanted an alliance. She hoped, she could get them into the bastions with the promise of a little more autonomy than other polities enjoy. They were very valuable after all...


[AN: So, I'm done. For your information, the leaders of the polity are capsuleers. Everyone who knows about Eve Online will know what I mean. I just want to see them together with Serras' polity, that would be very nice in my opinion. But this is just my fantasy.]
 
What, nothing for an entire day? This can't go on! Here, have an Omake.

Serras in general, likes technological advancement. She may not be obsessed with it, like the Adeptus Mechanicus is about finding so-called "Archeotech", but she considered it a necessity for the human race to advance. For her, too much stagnation means inevitable death. An Empire could be as large as it wanted, it will still die to a thousand paper cuts, if it didn't progress while others did.

So of course, she is intrigued about finding old technologies and inventing new ones. Very much in fact, she encouraged it even. A bright example of that were the Stellar Bellows and the planned Singularity Bellows.

But still, her core tenet is to invent new technologies, make humanity independent of other entities. A big entity in that way was the Warp. Not just the Gods of Chaos, but the Warp in its entirety. So she tried to search for alternative means of traveling faster than light by other means. Still, her search proved fruitless at first.

Then she got a notification, that her Explorer Corps contacted a Polity to the west of her holdings. Alltogether, they weren't that big. It was only consisting of 30 Planets when all was said and done.

A curious thing about them though, was their fleet size. For 30 Planets, it was huge. They possessed a total of 500 of what would be Escorts, their so-called "Battleships" and even more numerous smaller craft that certainly didn't lack the punch to deal with any enemy. But that wasn't it, further they possessed around 100 Cruiser-sized ships, their so-called "Capital Ships". And if that wasn't enough, they had 10 Dreadnought-sized ships in their backhand, their "Supercarriers", if she was told correctly.

Still, the largest force multiplier were 5 ships of what they called "Titans". No, she didn't mean the Titans made by the Adeptus Mechanicus. Though the equation would be not far off. They were all at least 13 kilometers in axis length, some even longer and were generally hulking monstrosities in space.

What made Serras shudder about them, was their equipment. They could bring to bear Doomsday weapons. The name was very appropriate, or so Serras thought, they could wipe the life off a planet in a single shot, or so their data suggested anyway.

Their technology was what got Serras really curious though. Some of their main armaments were Railguns, and their short-range equivalent, the "Blaster", that could fire Antimatter charges. They even mastered Nanites, going so far as repairing their ships mid-fight without impacting the fighting ability of the ship. This went further, in that they are able to do this remotely too, with an entire of their so-called "logistics wing" dedicated to each of their fleets to keep their ships alive while under attack.

Serras was officially intrigued, when they mentioned their FTL method. They didn't have to enter the Warp, they could do it by entering so-called "Subspace". They explained, that it was like a 4th​ dimension, where quick travel in system and between systems was possible. Though the technicalities escaped her for now, she would have to sit down and buy some of their "Blueprints" for their technology.

Still, what made Serras concerned was their leaders claim of "Immortality" of some of his citizens. Appearently, they were Infomorphs that would get their conscious transfered to a new clone just waiting for them upon death. That way, they could gain much more experience than the regular ship captain. Appearantly, they are directly connected to their ships by means, that he wouldn't yet explain, making most of the crew unnecessary because the so-called "Capsuleer" could do most of the functions of the ship on his own. Though Serras didn't know what to make of their claim of comming to this place via a wormhole. But it scared her, that where they come from, such a military was considered small for such a small amount of planets.

Another curiousity was their industry. If her calculations and their claims of the speed of their industry was right, then the building of ships would get accelerated by a factor of ten. What really scares her is the output of their "Sotiyos". Large Engineering Complexes, that could build 10 of their Titans at the same time and only needed 3 months to complete a batch of them.

Whatever the matter, she had to come out of her swooning about the potential technologies and continue the diplomatic talks with them. She hoped to integrate them, though they have a very independant streak. They only wanted an alliance. She hoped, she could get them into the bastions with the promise of a little more autonomy than other polities enjoy. They were very valuable after all...


[AN: So, I'm done. For your information, the leaders of the polity are capsuleers. Everyone who knows about Eve Online will know what I mean. I just want to see them together with Serras' polity, that would be very nice in my opinion. But this is just my fantasy.]

Great omake but i think we need to roll for accuring new c8vilizations or planets. So i dont know how it will become canon. I feel like ilbdar could have as a reward for a crit.
 
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