[1] Prometheus's Gift
[2] Aten
[3] Glass Cannon
[4] Titanian
[5] Lightweight
[6] Wraith Field
the generator is really good same with Aten, just think that the generator is better thanks to us being able to make us of it to create things like the defensive field and power them with out them being in danger of running out of energy.
 
[1] Prometheus's Gift
[2] Aten
[3] Glass Cannon
[4] Titanian
[5] Lightweight
[6] Wraith Field
 
[1] Titanian
[2] Prometheus's Gift
[3] Aten
[4] Glass Cannon
[5] Lightweight
[6] Wraith Field
 
Hmm. Looks like Prometheus' Gift will probably win. Not a bad choice, but I really wanted the indefinitely flying Aten. I mean, we're probably going to build both in the end, but building with audience is obviously better than building without. And I think Aten benefits more from being extra awesome than PG.

With audience:
Aten - flies indefinitely, nearly indestructible, maybe extra zapping power
PG - nearly indestructible possibly with spider body extension and ability to zap

Without audience:
Aten - may not fly indefinitely, probably more fragile
PG - still going to be infinite energy, probably no spider body, maybe more fragile

Like, I assume if we get PG here, we'll use it to bunker down and make stuff without having to exploit an army. So our Aten won't nearly be as strong. But if we make Aten here, it'll be extra awesome, and later on, we should still be able to make an infinite power gem with the materials we can probably carry away with the Aten.
 
Like, I assume if we get PG here, we'll use it to bunker down and make stuff without having to exploit an army. So our Aten won't nearly be as strong. But if we make Aten here, it'll be extra awesome, and later on, we should still be able to make an infinite power gem with the materials we can probably carry away with the Aten.

These projects all need the army to do, they are only "unlocked" for non audience projects after they are finished at least to my understanding.
By unlocked i me doesn´t need an audience to build more of them. We can´t create the generator without first haveing build it with an audience the same for Aten.

It is unlikely that we will be able to build Aten without an audience for some time as we lack the parts.
The generator is something we are more likely to build without an audience at least if we are able to get our hands on crystals (that is if can create something that grows them for us).
 
Hmm. Looks like Prometheus' Gift will probably win. Not a bad choice, but I really wanted the indefinitely flying Aten. I mean, we're probably going to build both in the end, but building with audience is obviously better than building without. And I think Aten benefits more from being extra awesome than PG.

With audience:
Aten - flies indefinitely, nearly indestructible, maybe extra zapping power
PG - nearly indestructible possibly with spider body extension and ability to zap

Without audience:
Aten - may not fly indefinitely, probably more fragile
PG - still going to be infinite energy, probably no spider body, maybe more fragile

Like, I assume if we get PG here, we'll use it to bunker down and make stuff without having to exploit an army. So our Aten won't nearly be as strong. But if we make Aten here, it'll be extra awesome, and later on, we should still be able to make an infinite power gem with the materials we can probably carry away with the Aten.
Aten just didn't inspire me. It's, what? A flying mirror with a situational use laser?
Why build that when, later, we could build a clock-work jetpack dragon with a proper laser? Or particle gun. With missiles.
Or, you know, a helicopter? One that transforms into a mecha and uses its propellers as rotary blades to literally mow down infantry.
 
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It is unlikely that we will be able to build Aten without an audience for some time as we lack the parts.
The generator is something we are more likely to build without an audience at least if we are able to get our hands on crystals (that is if can create something that grows them for us).

If we can build PG without an audience, but can only build Aten with an audience, doesn't it make sense to rank Aten higher than PG for building now?

Aten just didn't inspire me. It's, what? A flying mirror with a situational use laser?
Why build that when, later, we could build a clock-work jetpack dragon with a proper laser? Or particle gun. With missiles.
Or, you know, a helicopter? One that transforms into a mecha and uses its propellers as rotary blades to literally mow down infantry.

A helicopter? Really? Mecha-helicopter sounds kinda... unwieldy. Ditto for clockwork jetpack dragon. I like the clean, elegant look of a flying disk of death on the battlefield with us standing atop it, wind streaming through our hair as we cackle with Inspiration.
 
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If we can build PG without an audience, but can only build Aten with an audience, doesn't it make sense to rank Aten higher than PG for building now?

... we need an audience to build both. After we have done that we can build them without an audience.
The thing is they will require res. which is something we can cheat if we have an audience.

The res. needed to build PG are something we can get our hands on, it won´t be easy and will be expensive, but it can be done.
I am not sure we can get the res. need to build a second Aten in the short/medium term without an audience.
 
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@Alivaril A lot of the suggestions we previously proposed were highlighted in red due to lack of infinity power source. If we get infinity power source, will that stuff become viable to build, even without an audience?
 
How far is "middling ranges", exactly? 100m? 1km?

Likely somewhere in the realm of 50m-200m.

QUESTION: If we make Aten, could we include "power outlets" that let future additions even if done without a surge draw power form it, and holes that makes it easy to put poles and pull ropes through to very firmly secure stuff and not just rely in it resting on the surface?

Yes to the holes/loops/etc, but you don't think power outlets would be a good idea.

So the outfit in her actual character pic basically?

On that level, yep.

@Alivaril A lot of the suggestions we previously proposed were highlighted in red due to lack of infinity power source. If we get infinity power source, will that stuff become viable to build, even without an audience?

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A few things, yes. It's worth noting that Prometheus's Gift is NOT an infinite power source in the sense of producing infinite amounts of energy at a time. It's perpetual in the sense of not requiring fuel to keep going.

EDIT: On phone and busy, but I can quickly say @Vebyast's earlier audience interpretation was about right.
 
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@Alivaril A lot of the suggestions we previously proposed were highlighted in red due to lack of infinity power source. If we get infinity power source, will that stuff become viable to build, even without an audience?
I think that these quotes are relevant:
@Alivaril, how much easier would this make Skybreaker-like builds? Within reach of a non-audience Surge?
You believe so, provided you could get your hands on the right crystals. Since uninspired don't know how to use crystals properly, they're seldom sold on the open market; you'd need to find a dedicated merchant. The League might even restrict their sale, given how poorly they seem to treat Inspired. The crystals would also be expensive and purchasing them may effectively out you as an Inspired or an employee of one.
How much crystal would we need to build Aten using the Prometheus Reactor?
Too bloody much. It'd be easier to attack another crystal-mirror-using Inspired and steal their stuff instead of trying to buy that much yourself.
Assuming we have Prometheus' Gift and can find sufficient resources, how comfortable would Lorelei feel building something like a lesser-Skybreaker or lesser-Aten in a no-audience or small-audience Surge?
Fairly comfortable, but aether was used for more than just the reactor. You'll need some of it as well, which will almost certainly involve premaking tools and going far away from human civilization. You don't think that part will be too hard, but it is a requirement.
I think that Aten and Skybreaker are the most exotic builds we've been offered, so I'd interpret these as saying that Prometheus' Gift will put most or all of the builds we've been offered in range of a no-audience Surge. I could see some of the green-level proposals being more difficult to build, but honestly not by much. Skybreaker is complete bullshit and I have a feeling that Aten isn't far behind.
 
Based on this, I think that we can get any effect we want without an audience, it's just that an audience build allows us to remove drawbacks by telling reality to go fuck itself. A power-hungry build gets an infinite reactor, armor that'd normally be too heavy gets impossibly light materials, not having materials isn't an issue, etc. So I'd expect that a no-audience lesser-Aten or lesser-Lightener or lesser-Skybreaker would require fuel, or a no-audience lesser-Titanian would require strength augmentation and the warclocks' flight would be louder and messier.

@Vebyast So what do you think a lesser PG might be? It seems like it would suffer least from drawbacks.
 
@Vebyast So what do you think a lesser PG might be? It seems like it would suffer least from drawbacks.
Aether seems to be a collectible material, albeit one that requires special tools to handle; given that, I'd guess that we'd get a reactor that's essentially identical to PG but consumes aether as fuel. I don't know what its efficiency would be like. I'd expect it to be either a super-mode for our top-end stuff ("You get to use Skybreaker freely for six minutes") or a long-term power source for low-power builds like warclocks ("An hour spent collecting aether will run it for a month"), possibly both.

edit: A lesser-PG may also have some risk of containment failure or catastrophic meltdown. Super-durability on reactors is a big win, which is another reason I want to make a full PG instead of a lesser-PG.

I will note that I'd expect PG to not be a safe no-audience build. The PG-powered lesser versions of other builds are safer primarily because PG replaces the reactor, removing the primary cause for explosions. PG is kind of perfect as a support build in that respect, since it simultaneously addresses two-ish of the three-ish reasons for a build requiring an audience.

edit: In other words, I think that I'd actually disagree with the evaluation of lesser-PG as suffering the least. I'd actually say that it suffers the most. Unlike other builds, where removed drawbacks are peripheral benefits that make the build more usable without directly enhancing its core purpose, any drawback that you could apply to PG would significantly damage its core purpose. Removing those drawbacks elevates it from "pretty neat" to "the most powerful thing we can build right now". The build is basically all about exploiting the hell out of having an audience.

edit edit: Titanian is the other build that would be significantly less effective without an audience, now that I think about it. The inner layer in particular may be flat-out impossible to functionally duplicate without the audience there to tell reality that it's wrong about how durable it is. Suits of armor and other durability-focused defenses (as opposed to active defenses like our defense module) are the other major class of build whose core purposes are directly affected by the usual drawbacks: conceptual durability makes a suit of armor directly and significantly better in the same way that infinite fuel makes a high-intensity reactor directly and significantly better.
 
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A vital component of plan Giant Flying Fortress, but, critically, not one which significantly helps us in building the others.
Personally, I actually don't think it's as useful as it looks. I guess it depends on just how adjustable the area it covers is. Because I don't know about you, but I don't particularly like the idea of having to design our fortress with lunar-level gravity in mind, much less zero-gee. So unless we can shape the field so precisely that we never have to deal with that, I'm not sure I actually want to use it.

There's also sort of a catch-22 with it. By limiting the low-to-null gravity areas to specific places, we increase the overall weight of the fortress, increasing the amount of lift we need. It also means we have to deal with how an object hovering due to null-gravity handles having objects under a full gravity of force on top of it. But not doing that leads to other problems.

Overall, design-wise, Aten is much closer to what I want in-terms of propulsion for a flying fortress. It just hovers. Maybe we'll end up incorporating the Lightweight into our fortress, to reduce the amount of lift we need, but I think Aten is actually a bigger step in that direction.
Though guys? All of you pushing for the Aten because of how useful it is, especially if you're dropping the Titanian because it's obvious... Well, how obvious do you think a floating disc is going to be as 'An Inspired made this!' It basically gives up every single attempt at subtly ever, which we still need right now. Hell, the Titanian is LESS obvious than the Aten, especially if we make some adjustments, or just do something like pulling off the outer layer and shoving them in a bag to hide them.
The difference is that we can park the Aten somewhere inconspicuous (and likely booby-trapped), if need be, and still use it when it's actually necessary. Titanian, on the other hand, needs to worn to do anything, and we'll want to wear it in towns. If you want defence, just vote for Prometheus's Gift, and wire it into our current defenses. It'll be as effective, if not more so.
Aten just didn't inspire me. It's, what? A flying mirror with a situational use laser?
Why build that when, later, we could build a clock-work jetpack dragon with a proper laser? Or particle gun. With missiles.
Or, you know, a helicopter? One that transforms into a mecha and uses its propellers as rotary blades to literally mow down infantry.
Because Aten, if upgraded in size and lift, makes an excellent foundation for a flying fortress. Like, a literal flying building or town. Lightweight, on the other hand, will probably result in us building the ISS, just out of necessity for dealing with null-gee.
I think that Aten and Skybreaker are the most exotic builds we've been offered, so I'd interpret these as saying that Prometheus' Gift will put most or all of the builds we've been offered in range of a no-audience Surge. I could see some of the green-level proposals being more difficult to build, but honestly not by much. Skybreaker is complete bullshit and I have a feeling that Aten isn't far behind.
Given how bizarre it's hovering propulsion is, physics-wise, yeah, it's fairly impressive. Especially since I don't think objects under conventional zero-gravity would actually float with objects at 1 gravity on top of them. That means Aten is probably major shenanigans.
 
[1] Titanian
[2] Prometheus's Gift
[3] Glass Cannon
[4] Lightweight
[5] Aten
[6] Wraith Field

I honestly don't have a strong preference for the top three. I'd rate them all about equal.
 
[3] Titanian
[2] Prometheus's Gift
[4] Glass Cannon
[6] Lightweight
[5] Aten
[1] Wraith Field

Wraith field gets my top pick because I feel sorry for it. I think you're cool and that we should build a castle in the Void, Void-machine. Flying castles are so much lamer than you.
 
[3] Titanian
Wraith field gets my top pick because I feel sorry for it. I think you're cool and that we should build a castle in the Void, Void-machine. Flying castles are so much lamer than you.
But when someone finds a way to attack us, they would be able to do so point blank with no regard for collateral damage to themselves.
 
Question: What's our course of action after this Surge going to be, in terms of general plan? I'd be slightly worried they'd start trying to plot against us since this is the second time we've done this, so it's whether or not we'd be lying low or want to just bulldoze past these useless dolts who call themselves Inspired.

(Only been reading the main posts and not had chance to read thread discussion yet, so sorry if it's been talked about and I've missed it!)
 
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Question: What's our course of action after this Surge going to be, in terms of general plan? I'd be slightly worried they'd start trying to plot against us since this is the second time we've done this, so it's whether or not we'd be lying low or want to just bulldoze past these useless dolts who call themselves Inspired.

(Only been reading the main posts and not had chance to read thread discussion yet, so sorry if it's been talked about and I've missed it!)

Most likely, we're going to gtfo of this area (if Blackburns think somewhere is unstable and gonna blow up...) and hunker down for some major building.
 
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