Also of note is that, if it's true that the QM's on record as saying "the closest thing to the tactic" was posted by Orm, then it follows that none of those are exact matches. We should be trying to imagine things like what he posted, not which one was correct.

The theory I'm going to float at the moment is that it's the Slumber of Ages we should be aping. While Hunger has ways of continuing to Progress despite being asleep, those aren't important here. It's the fact that killing him while he's asleep would be boring. The Vengeance crowd should take major note of this. Combined with the Leprosy that Fisher King offers, Hunger can safely ignore the effects of all of his curses just by laying there and letting his minions handle every conflict of note for him.
 
Also of note is that, if it's true that the QM's on record as saying "the closest thing to the tactic" was posted by Orm, then it follows that none of those are exact matches. We should be trying to imagine things like what he posted, not which one was correct.

The theory I'm going to float at the moment is that it's the Slumber of Ages we should be aping. While Hunger has ways of continuing to Progress despite being asleep, those aren't important here. It's the fact that killing him while he's asleep would be boring. The Vengeance crowd should take major note of this. Combined with the Leprosy that Fisher King offers, Hunger can safely ignore the effects of all of his curses just by laying there and letting his minions handle every conflict of note for him.
I think the conceit of manipulating the Apocryphal Curse in general by making sure it has outlets for Interesting events that don't kill us is a good one.

e: I don't think that it's The Tactic, though.
 
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Also of note is that, if it's true that the QM's on record as saying "the closest thing to the tactic" was posted by Orm, then it follows that none of those are exact matches. We should be trying to imagine things like what he posted, not which one was correct.

The theory I'm going to float at the moment is that it's the Slumber of Ages we should be aping. While Hunger has ways of continuing to Progress despite being asleep, those aren't important here. It's the fact that killing him while he's asleep would be boring. The Vengeance crowd should take major note of this. Combined with the Leprosy that Fisher King offers, Hunger can safely ignore the effects of all of his curses just by laying there and letting his minions handle every conflict of note for him.
Whatever the tactic is it has to be something that is also relevant during the update immediately after the Maiden attacks. So it can't really be a training multiplier, unless it's so potent he can benefit from it during the fraction of a second the fight with the Maiden takes.
 
Here's a possible tactic from Discord Discussion. Decimation.

Step 1: Activate Fisher King
Step 2: Enter RoE or other Chronomatic Accelerator.
Step 3: Decimate enemy with giga chronomancy abuse.

This Decimation Weaponization tactic is usable on the Maiden and also any other enemy Hunger faces over his journey.

dunno if it's The Tactic, but it might be it.
 
I kind of forgot what half the advancements that came up when looking through Orm and Rihaku's post actually do, so I decided to look into them again. I started with our soul evocation since it's the source of so many of our effects in end game it's probable that the Tactic is related to it.

Here's every post in the quest by Rihaku that references the Imprisoner soul evocation directly, and my thoughts on them.

Seven Seals - The Soul Evocation of the chosen hero was Imprisonment, the power to seal. This blade extends, reinforces and magnifies the power of the soul, vastly enhancing the unique affinity of its wielder. Those struck by its edge can be sealed with far less resistance, while energies striking its flat are easily imprisoned. Seals draw by its point hearken as if cut into the primordial clay, becoming easier to comprehend and more potent in function. Increases effectiveness of Imprisonment on Curses.
First introduction of imprisonment. Here we see it as a potential version of the Forbears blade, though in the end we chose the accretion i.e Rank, version.

Offered a bonus to sealing power and sealing based Curse mitigation.

Partial sealing of abilities is available before you get the power to just kidnap people. But even reduced to a seal, a person is still a real person. That is the essential insight of the Imprisonment soul evocation, after all. Whether abstract or concrete, it's all equally real.
Interesting point about imprisonment. Sealed people are still people, abstract and concrete are equally real.

[ ] [Azure Moon] - 7 Arete. That which reigns resplendent once in a blue aeon. The wearer gains access to his true [Soul Evocation], [Imprisoner], and high-grade talent in its use. Powerful as this may be, recall that the use of Soul Evocations requires extensive technical study which will be difficult to perform under the constraints of Hunger. However the potential benefits are enormous enough that it may be worth pursuing even at a mortal's pace.
First offering to unlock our soul evocation.

[ ] Mage Lord - Azure Moon, Linear Halo [14 Arete]

Azure Moon grants access to the domain of Soul Evocation, the power to manifest high-level conceptual effects from the font of one's selfhood, a rare power that offers unique abilities to each individual practitioner. Your opponent just felled was The Librarian, but the light of your own soul is that of the Imprisoner. How odd, you don't recall directly imprisoning anyone in your life.

The Linear Halo imparts any one formal and systemic type of magic with power beyond reckoning, allowing its wielder to stretch the outer boundaries of its capabilities half a step above what might otherwise be possible, at the cost of preventing the acquisition (though not use) of other types of magic until the Outward Halo is taken. Gain +Int equal to your +Strength, +Wits equal to your +Agi, and +Wis equal to your +Con for purposes of researching the associated magic type and crafting specific techniques using it.

*Gain access to a powerful and versatile magic system with decent immediate utility and great long-term potential
*Scale your magical research with your physical stats! Manifesting the light of your soul also allows you to directly train your Rank, though it's a slow process.
*Focus all your magical training on a single powerful system at which you become supernally gifted, somewhat compensating for the ring's training debuff. Stress no more about acquiring other magic types!
*Can't acquire other magic types until you take another 7-Arete ability, the Outward Halo
*Weaker in terms of immediate power than any of the 'Might' options.
Possible first foreshadowing of Hunger's real identity as the Forebear. Hunger thinks it's odd that his soul evocation is that of the imprisoner despite not remembering imprisoning anyone.

Allowed us train Rank through manifesting our soul evocation suggesting they may be linked in some way.

His Soul Evocation is that of the Librarian, but that doesn't necessarily mean his job is to be one! Just as Hunger's job isn't to be an Imprisoner (or is it?)!
More foreshadowing?

The Librarian doesn't have seals, only the Imprisoner can seal things in the manner defined by Seven Seals.
Sealing is unique to the Imprisoner apparently.

To clarify, the population of this world doesn't know what normally happens after death, so given the choice they would prefer living on inside the Imprisoner's Soul Evocation to the unknown.
I don't remember this but apparently we can either seal the souls of the dying or our soul evocation can just function as an afterlife?

To Battle's Close

Soon, he promised mentally, addressing the imprisoned Ring, willing his own to act as conduit. He did not know if the Rings could actually speak to one another, did not know if it was merely a futile gesture, but sought to offer whatever hope he could: the strength, perhaps, to resist for one day more, to deny its exploiters whatever power it could, here in this final hour. One way or another, your suffering ends soon.

He hadn't expect an answer of any kind, so Hunger startled when the Imprisoned Ring replied: first a trickle, then a steady stream, and finally a torrent of numinous power, transgressing space and time, raw potential like a livid thunderbolt flowing into the blood-red jewel of his own Ring. Crimson flared and blazed, a star risen from earth, such fearsome majesty that he staggered to contain it, the power of the jewel threatening to overcome and unbalance the Ring as a whole.

Gisena sheltered the girls as he forced down its catastrophic might, compressing that all-piercing radiance until it was safely contained. Now the jewel glittered with translucent fire: final remnant of the Imprisoned Ring's defiance, all its hope and joy of life, all its remaining will to resist, given over to him.

The Call of the False Moon faded from his mind, and he knew instinctively that it had faded from every other. This was the final sally of the Imprisoned Ring, one last desperate act of trust when all else had failed.

Hunger closed his eyes, frowning.

"You're our only hope."

How many times had they told him that in the campaign against the Tyrant? That he was it, that there was no other, that if he shirked his duty, or faltered, or failed, then it simply would not be done - only misery everlasting for the peoples of the world, clawing feebly at the yoke as it tightened and tightened.

It seemed he was not free of such duties. Perhaps would never be free. People fell into the patterns of their lives because of what they were good at. This was what he'd done all his life; was it such a surprise to have duty thrust upon him once more? Moreover, for something he intended to do anyway.

Even so, fuck these so-called interesting times.

He understood the sorrow of the Imprisoned Ring, the depths it must have been driven to, not only to ask a rival for aid, but to beg, and to invest everything in that begging. He understood its shattered pride, the egregious disgrace of its situation, the sheer hollowing agony of its every moment.

For that reason he did not resent the Ring for casting this burden upon him. The power it had gifted him would make its salvation easier. But he would freely resent the universe, and the Apocryphal Curse that guided it, until the end of his days.

No, he shook his head. Until he overcame them both. That was the promise of Progression, after all. Live, and grow strong. So long as he took care of the former, it would ensure the latter.

Live, and rescue the Ring, and grow strong.

He rose from his seated position. "There's no way they didn't notice that. Tomorrow morning may be too late."

Lucky that Aeira had gotten them the intelligence she had. He could only hope his present strength was enough to deal with the Immortals of the Temple. The Imprisoned Ring had given him little choice.

Gisena laid a gentle hand on his arm. "Hey. This isn't your responsibility, no matter how it may make you feel. You can still walk away. Always."

He smiled bitterly. "That may be the smart thing to do. And likely the wise thing as well. But only one of us here is a genius. Find me when your meditations are complete."

So saying, he leapt off Verschlengorge, making for the Temple directly.

The gift of the Imprisoned Ring had tremendously augmented his own Chief Dominion. Blood rushed and thundered in his ears, an ocean of awareness that stretched for miles: vein and capillary, pulse and heartbeat were naked to him, from the birds in the air to the beasts of the earth, and all the humanity of the Encampment in-between. It was a deluge, too much to process, and he hurriedly tamped it down, focusing the power as it solidified, directing it into his immediate vicinity alone. A greater concentration of power was more suitable to his purposes.

He accelerated, world a watercolor blur. There was the Temple.

In through the gates, then quickly across the grasslands, up over the mountains and into the Middle Ring. Edeldross-infused, he pushed forward, faster than he'd gone before, the accumulated power of recent days like thunderheads gathering in his wake. Outriders tried feebly to intercept. Those who could not keep up were ignored, the others slaughtered. The Inner Temple loomed, dome of matte blue like still deep waters, a globe stripped bare of land.

A man strode out to meet him, a solid brick wall of muscle, his face creased and cragged, hair streaked with gray. He wore a uniform of gray and black, a marshal's baton strapped to his side, eyes like coals flecked with bronze.

Hunger flared his Ring and felt the man's blood quail before him, even as the greater portion stood strong. Even with all his newfound powers, this would not be an easy fight.

He stopped, addressing the man directly. "Care to live more than a thousand years?"

The man chortled, a low, bleak rumble. "Hah! Ask me again in seven centuries."

No urgency. Unfortunate. "You people must have known this day was coming."

"Confident, aren't you?" The man frowned, eyes darting to Hunger's finger. "Maybe that's justified, you've got a Ring all to yourself. Some might say it's greedy to go looking for more."

"Are you going to pretend ignorance of what's inflicted on your own?"

"A Ring is not a person," the man shook his head, frown deepening. "Seems you've forgotten that, or maybe never knew it in the first place. Fail to master it and it will master you."

"Perhaps," Hunger shrugged. "But that doesn't justify what your society has done. Let your Ring rest at last. Turn it over voluntarily, or help me secure it, and I can empower you and yours with my own."

Again the man shook his head. "Sorry, kid. I've got a family that depends on that thing to live. Putting everyone's lives into only your hands? That's not happening."

And so Hunger struck, the power of his Ring pressing down upon his foe, blue of true reality outlining his Blade as it descended with cataclysmic force. The marshal reacted quickly, interposing his baton, but could not resist the power of Hunger's cut, and lost half his hand before he twitched out of the way. A spike of fired Edeldross adjusted the vector of his charge, stifling the marshal's evasion. The Forebear's Blade pierced through his foe's shoulder even as the man howled, plunging his free hand through Hunger's guts.

Meaningless. With the elevated Ring of Blood such wounds were nearly immaterial. He clenched the muscles of his core, trapping the man's arm for an instant, and twisted his blade downwards, carving through shoulder and breast. The marshal grunted, blood seeping from his mouth as he fell to a knee. With a desperate surge of energy he exploded backwards, tearing his shoulder free of the trapped arm, extending the distance between them.

Relentlessly he pressed the attack, pouring blade-winds towards the retreating figure, sharpness like a humming shrike screaming towards him. The marshal twisted, inhaling deeply, accepting a blow to the chest in order to counterattack, a roar of pure stygian force that upturned the earth in its wake. Ripping free his foe's embedded arm, Hunger hurled it at the blast, deflecting enough of the energies that he could weather the remainder with the Evening Sky, though the cloak was torn to bits around him.

This battle was nearing its end. A seal of blood closed around the hole in his torso, while his enemy's wounds bled liberally, a ceaseless arterial spray. Still the marshal rallied, lunging at him, a second Pressure-infused bark ripping through Hunger's remaining blade-winds, driving towards a final confrontation.

But there was no room here for honor, no spirited duel of ideals. Hunger dove to the side, focused shamelessly on evading, simply falling back and giving wide berth to the marshal's dying rampage, his magnificently pointless death-throes. The Jewel of Blood did the rest.

Mighty as the marshal was, greater than Hunger in Astral strength, he was not Vanreir whose body was as a blade. This was a champion among men, with all a mortal's failings. Liter by liter the marshal bled out until not even the iron wall of his Pressure could stand him upright any longer. He fell, eyes blank, his blood and his life expended utterly in service of his nation, and Hunger did not look back.

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The winner was [X] Guile-Defeating Stance with [X] Combat.

Onwards.

[ ] Cut - The state of disarray and relative confusion induced by the Imprisoned Ring's final surge of volition will not last much longer. While the defenders are still poorly-organized, push for the Treasure At Temple's Heart. With the surge of power gained from the marshal's defeat, bring an end to this at last. +1 pick below.

*The defenders are scattered and disorganized. Many Immortals and relevant combatants may be at home or otherwise occupied. Free the Ring and finish this.

[ ] Foment Rebellion - These Immortals are likely a tier above even the marshal, in which case Hunger cannot be confident of his odds even against one, much less a group. Attack, but do so in a way that demonstrates your power and the inevitability of your victory. Secure what allies of opportunity you can from the repressed, the downtrodden or the merely resentful.

*Your intelligence reports have revealed the potential cracks in Inner Ring society. It would be a shame not to exploit them and improve your odds of victory in the long run.
*Lose the momentum of your sudden assault and be virtually guaranteed to oppose the full complement of Immortals gathered in their place of power.
*As you have the Guile-Defeating Stance, the chance of your collaborators successfully betraying you is low.
*Prolongs the battle enough for Gisena and Aeira to join you, though this may endanger them.

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You have 2 picks, or 3 if Cut was chosen, and about 3.2 Arete.

[ ] Forebear's Blade - Echo of the Forebear - Cloud-shadow of the Forebear's might.
Legendary strength and speed, and the resilience to exert them. Can be taken multiple times. [+Might, +Agility]

[ ] The Ring of Power - Dominion - 2 Arete
A ring of power does not exert influence casually. It has its own will, its own preferences, and if that will should be inseparable from its owner's, its sway thereby shall be greater for it.

The available domains for Hunger are: War, Passion

[ ] Fierce Quickening
- The absurd violence of Blood unleashed. Let all that falls within its dominion be spilled, if it be in service to the Ringbearer. Adds [++Agility, +Wits] to the bonuses from Quickening, subject to the usual conditions. Can be taken up to 3 times.

[ ] Augment Dominion: Blood - The world-wielding will of the Ring.
Treat the wielder's Rank as if it were (.5 Low/.25 Medium/.1 High) higher for purposes of the [Ring of Power] effect applied to the Blood domain, increasing its potency and versatility. Repeatable, but costs 1 more pick each time.

[ ] Evening Sky - Opalescence - The soft light of evening before which all attacks falter.
+Protection, improving defensive parameters.

[ ] Evening Sky - Iridescence - 2 Arete - The sharp light of the stars before which all malice is lessened.
+Protection, +Charisma. Expands the range of effects subject to the Evening Sky, allowing it to passively weaken almost all forms of magic. Even Nullity itself can be once withstood before the Sky recedes. Requires Opalescence.

[ ] Evening Sky - Pearlescence - 7 Arete - Woe unto they who would stand against the bearer of Evening, for all the stars in heaven are their enemies, and the moon above as well.
+++Protection, and the protection granted by the Evening Sky now automatically scales to its wearer's power; effectively, the wearer is granted an additional Experience modifier whose output is automatically applied to the Evening Sky. Requires Iridescence.

[ ] Vigor Incarnate - 2 picks, 2 Arete. The glory of Blood triumphant. Let those who would stand against him cower, or be undone. A simple but exceptionally powerful option.

Adds [+++Might, ++Charisma] to the bonuses from Quickening, subject to the usual conditions.
Add your Charisma to your Protection.

[ ] Ennobling - 2 Arete (2 picks)

Ambition's work is conducted atop the shoulders of giants. Raise up one's servants to appropriately towering stature.

The process of comprehensive elevation of all positive attributes of the blood. Applied continuously over a long period, boons may become permanent and expand in scope, enhancing all qualities of the target and their future offspring. Applies up to +++All Stats to the target, Lifespan improves by fourfold. Elevates the target by .5 Rank to a maximum of 3.5. Does not work on yourself or on species whose native Rank is higher than 4.5.

Effects become permanent after a few weeks focused on a single target, or a few years focused on a small population. Further Advancements may improve both the scale and speed of augmentation. With a thought, the original bestower may retract any boon so given, so long as they possess the Ring of Blood.

[ ] Feat: Shameless - +.25 Rank (2 picks).

Yields +.325 Rank with Uttermost bonus.

[ ] Forebear's Blade - What Rains May Come. (3 picks)

To strike at him would arouse his disdain. To strike at his loved ones, would arouse his ire. Once per month, transfer wounds caused by the hand of another from an ally to yourself. Reverse wound penalties, except from those inflicted by your own hand.

Chief Dominion (Blood): You are treated as if benefiting from the highest qualifying wound penalty received this fight, even if said wound is healed.

[ ] The Ring of Power - Arisen Blood (7 Arete, 3 picks)

Blood learns swiftly how best to be spilled.

While at full HP, benefit from the following:
+++++Protection
+++++Agi, Might, Wisdom (Combat)
All Attacks deal double damage, stacking multiplicatively
You are treated as if in a form with corporeal blood, even if you would otherwise not be.

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Kept the entirety of this update mainly because of the possible link between Hunger as the imprisoner and the Azure ring as the Imprisoned Ring. Is this why the aquistion of Archmage required the sacrifice of the Azure? Perhaps the metaphoric potency of the Imprisoner consuming the Imprisoned ring to create a Prison out of a Prison tower for an Imprisoned Princess was what made Archmage possible.

[ ] Imprisoner's Vestige - The light of the soul, awakened and intensified. Discounts Heavenly Tomb by 7 Arete, unlocks it, and augments it.

Evening Sky: Heavenly Tomb [Conjunctional: The Ring of Power, The Forebear's Blade] - 25 Arete (1 pick)

No paradise is this,
no splendid Realm of Evening's kiss;
but its colder distaff face -
a prison spun from time and space.


The heavens are vault and spectacle, vastness and sea; entombed among those countless points of light are elder beings and heralds of strange design. Trapped upon a pale green speck of planetary earth, it can be hard to grasp the enormity of that perilous ocean surrounding, but it would be unwise to forget: earth and sea and sky were never equals. The sky is more than a window and darkness, the stars more than the natural lighting of the cosmos. Beyond the far reaches of mortal grasp lie wonders and horrors as to remake the philosophies of man, contained by mere distance from their revelatory conquest.

*Walls of Night: ++++++++++Protection, ignore Protection penalties.
*Endless Depths: Massively increases the effective health and health regeneration of the Evening Sky before depletion.
*Imprisoner's Might: Grants immense but highly specific power over the interior Cloak of Evening, permitting the effects below:

*Enemies defeated completely may be consigned to the Heavenly Tomb, absorbed into the Evening Sky & frozen in the bleak nothingness beneath time and space. There is no limit to the number of foes that can be so contained; entire civilizations can be preserved in the amber of time.
*You may also store and retrieve inanimate objects so long as they are under your control.
*An enemy once trapped in the Heavenly Tomb becomes categorically incapable of ever defeating the wearer again. They may be released for rehabilitation, further punishment or annihilation at the wearer's leisure. Note however that this is not an absolute guard; those trapped are not preventing from resisting or inconveniencing the wearer, merely from ever defeating him.
*If you have Pillars of Creation, you may within the Realm of Evening unfreeze and interact with defeated foes from a position of perfect safety, employing the implements of the Realm of Evening as you please.
*Time and training may expand and revise these effects with no effective upper limit, including esoteric imprisonment effects such as the sealing of aspects or ideas.
We didn't end up taking this advancement but it's possible some of what it can do applies to later advancements as well.

You could imprison Sten and use him as a pokemon!

"I choose you, Worldkeeper!"
Imprisoning people to deploy at our convienence. From memory I think this is how we deployed Genius Gisena?

Indeed, the Blood Ring synergizes well with the ability to imprison foes!
Ring synergy.

Anyway, I think this vote is very important in that you're unlikely to encounter any of these options again anytime soon. The easiest unlocks would be the two Evening Sky EFBs, but neither would have their upgraded function from Star of Grace or Imprisoner's Vestige respectively; though this is not as great a buff as Assault Halo grants to, say, All-Defeating Stance, it's still a significant difference in capabilities. Ring-Lord and Assault Halo are rare almost to the point that you would be safest considering them unique. Let's look at the options currently in content since Assault Halo is sadly behind:

2) Imprisoner's Vestige - This option is more potential-focused on Star of Grace, allowing for the development of broad conceptual capabilities through the purview of Imprisonment. It's definitely more conceptually potent than the Graces Edeldross alone can produce, and can be somewhat more versatile if used properly. The inventory is an exceptionally useful means of overcoming countless logistical problems, from food storage to fleet transport to Verschlengorge ambush capability. You could even use it to carry around an Armor Prototype suit Tony Stark-style!

The +Protection granted is more versatile than that of Star of Grace, as its purview can be extended by Iridescence. It also strips the Uttermost penalty from your other sources of Protection, yielding a few extra Protection +s on top. Also - and this has been somewhat overlooked - it massively increases the EHP and health regeneration of the Evening Sky itself, giving you a second pool of massively regenerating health that's applicable to your ghost form. This is a multiplicative gain in Evening Sky endurance as both its "damage reduction" and "total durability" are increased.

That said, in a 1v1 fight there's no question that Imprisoner's Vestige Hunger would lose to Star of Grace Hunger in most scenarios, especially in the near future. You just can't get around that +130% AGI, +30% Might, +30% Int, Luck etc. But in the long term its potential is incredible, allowing for feats like the sealing of a supernova to release upon one's enemies at a later time.
Rihaku lists some of the uses of Imprisonment while Devil's advocating.

[ ] Inherit the World - 7 Arete - The Worldkeeper's power, yielded to the Imprisoner's. Shattered in mind, whole in body, their spirit given over to the grasp of their successor.

Defining Advancement. You may only have three Defining Advancements.

*Acquire the Soul Evocation of the Penitent, whose shadow is a thing of stained glass and light, and whose figure can absorb punishment unending yet burst forth with ceaseless might. Ignore wound penalties; the user's body is held together by its shadow and cannot be slain short of total annihilation.
*The Penitent may call forth his shadow in an expunging tide. Those fallen beneath are physically encased and magically suppressed, though some arts of power vastly greater than that of Soul Evocation as a whole are immune to this effect. Overuse may decrease the user's WITS, WISDOM and finally INT, but would require many years of continuous deployment; penalties imposed are reverted once the shadow is recalled.
*Outrageous destruction and sober atonement are writ into the Penitent's place within the cosmos. Halve the social penalty from, and double the effective forgiveness for, escalating to violence in otherwise inappropriate situations. This is bound into the fabric of reality and is treated as a 'natural' social phenomenon, the expected baseline.
*Combined with high Charisma, the above effect is exceptionally useful for those possessing the Doom of the Tyrant. Mechanically it's represented as halving/doubling; in-universe the difference in actual sentiment can be an order of magnitude or greater. Still, a dangerous power to possess - and not to be used lightly, lest one be tempted to abuse it.
*+50% to the value of Might +s.
*+50% the value of Protection +s.
*+400% Health.
*+20% to the value of future Rank +s; you may train Rank manually.
*+++Mental Contamination. The wielder disdains cowardice, has little patience for torturers, and easily flies into a violent rage against those he considers morally repugnant. Willpower + alternate Mental Contamination to resist.
Hunger in this blurb is described as the imprisoner despite not having awakened his soul evocation. Or even being aware it exists as far as I can tell?

You could also temporarily imprison people in Edeldross if they're sufficiently weaker than you! Though Hunger might just prefer breaking their legs...
Potentially possible to Imprison people using Edeldross as a medium?

Accretion is worth considering, given the benefits of Rank! Focus on the craftsmanship / fame aspects rather than the risky aspects of feats and you're basically snowballing your way to ever-higher Ranks!
Not related to Imprisonment but Rihaku here mentions the craftsmanship/fame component of Rank generation. I assume we took advantage of this already in the Human Sphere.

[ ] The Fruit of Discipline - Imperial Praxis, 1 + 7 Praxis Picks / 25 Arete. Requires Imprisoner's Refinement: Flood of Runes.

....Is Strength.

The wielder can seal his abilities temporarily, conserving their power in the present to burst forth with spectacular dominion during the hour of reckoning. The longer and more severely his powers are constrained, the deeper the well of their might upon its awaited release. See the chart below:

Sealing Magnitude (each step grants one point): 25%, 50%, 75% and -0.2 ISH, 99% and -0.5 ISH, 100% and ISH set to 1 or 0
Sealing Duration (each step grants one point): 1 hour, 1 day, 1 week, 1 month, 1 year, 1 century, 1 millennium, 1 million years, 1 billion years...

The wielder must commit to a given level of Sealing Magnitude and Duration in advance; holding the seal after the Duration is reached yields no further benefit, except for delaying the moment at which their true power is unleashed. Time spent within atemporal spaces does not count towards the Sealing Duration.

Points accumulated are distributed between Duration and Potency. Duration determines the length of time for which the wielder benefits from increased power; potency determines its magnitude.

Unleashed Magnitude (each step costs one point): 2x, 8x, 8x + 0.1 ISH, 16x + 0.2 ISH, 32x + 0.3 ISH, 64x + 0.4 ISH, 128x + 0.5 ISH, etc...
Unleashed Duration (each step costs one point): one microsecond, one second, one minute, one hour, 1 day, 1 week, 1 month, 1 year, 1 century...

To begin with, the wielder may seal any one Attribute at a time. Composite Attributes such as Might and Charisma must use their components. With practice and further Advancements, the wielder may seal greater concepts such as All Attributes, Rank, Advancements, techniques of the Imperial Praxis and so on.

I reserve the right to adjust this technique if it becomes narratively unworkable.
We never took this but it shows off the power of Imprisonment. With battles lasting a fraction of a second sealing our power between apocrphal procs would be extremely potent since we only need a second or microsecond of activation time.

Imprisoner's Refinement - 1 + 7 Praxis picks / 25 Arete

Req. Refinement of Purpose, Seal of Ruin, Inherit the World

Absorbs and re-purposes the Outer Shadow by way of the Praxis to more accurately express the Soul Evocation of its present wielder, the Imprisoner. No longer a stained-glass sprawl, now a tide of intricate blue runes, in movement like calligraphy graven across reality's flesh.

Practitioner may permanently inscribe other techniques of the Praxis into the Imprisoner's Shadow, thereby locking them "into place" within conceptual reality; reinforcing their strength and binding them to the practitioner, at some cost in utility and flexibility. Inscription is permanent save for the intercession of highly potent entities, well beyond any natives to this Geas world. There is no practical limit to the number of inscriptions that can be made, but each beyond the first requires a significant investment of effort and time. Mentally-focused techniques are usually less suitable. The mechanical benefits of Inherit the World are still retained.

Examples:

Refinement of Battle: The Best Defense - Increases the offensive multiplier by 70%, but reduces the defensive by 30%. Advantageous for Hunger who possesses the Power of Ruin.

Seal of Ruin: Flood of Runes - Cast time and endurance cost removed. Range reduced to the physical reach of the Imprisoner's Shadow, but can now affect any target it touches at 30% strength without reducing Hunger's Ruin Armor. Can still be used to wholly cocoon a target, thereby applying the full effect.

Refinement of Quickness: Always Forward - Reduces ISH elevation by 30% outside of combat or when fully retreating from conflict, but steadily ramps elevation by up to 2x if necessary to match an opponent still quicker than the Refinement-boosted practitioner.
Converts Inherit the World into our actual Soul Evocation using the Praxis. Lets us seal Praxis techniques into reality. Shows the theme of Imprisonment being used to make the unreal tangible. Abstract and Concrete being treated the same.

"You've completed another ascension," he noted. "Congratulations."

"Thank you, hun!" She preened. "But flattering as your adulation is, you should save it. For my work, the work of conclusively annihilating our Orcish foe, has only just begun!"

"That's a relief," Hunger scoffed, leaning back. "And here I thought I would have to kill him with my Sword."

"Oh, your sword still has a part to play," Gisena said earnestly, "As will all of you... but I will be the architect of this enemy's demise. Worry not Hunger, you will be the weapon through which my will is enacted, the creation of mystical Science that will eclipse and destroy Dien and his workings once and for all!"

"Put our faith in your genius, hm?" He smiled. "It's worked adequately in the past. Let us hope this attempt is more successful than the last time you tried to slay an orcish Hero, however."

She pouted. "As if a genius of my caliber would fail twice at the same task! That was merely a trial run, and myself without resources and alone. Now that I have this wonderful Ring you've gifted me, there is simply no reason to fear!"

"Though," she continued, glancing wistfully down at it, "I will miss it, after it's gone. Still, it was your gift to me, and it would be terribly impolite if I failed to expend this when your life itself is on the line..."

Expend the Azure? Hunger frowned. She would certainly not have successfully manifested her halo without its power of Artifice and invention, not at any reasonable speed. He was the Ring Crimson, and while the death of a rival was hardly cause for mourning, the Azure in its current state was more his subordinate for the present Age. Yet if even its bearer was resigned to its destruction, it would hardly be capable of resistance; not against such Rank as his party could muster, while its only channel of action was through that bearer herself.

"Enough generalities," he said. "Explain yourself, miss genius."

Gisena curtsied, and brought forth a drawn diagram. "By your leave, O King of Evening's Realm. Do you recall the Temple of the False Moon? Exciting to think it's not even been a year since you first felled it, including our time in this vacation Realm! Our lonely Azure was trapped within, enslaved by Plerion's artifice to produce and power the tenements of his tiny world, augment his forces with Soul Evocations. Such a versatile form of magic! I remember well when I first saved our lives by defeating that Groundskeeper Librarian, his array of effects so encompassing as to overwhelm your swordplay entirely!"

"And you hope to awaken such an Evocation in one of us?" Hunger raised an eyebrow. "Of power and utility sufficient to contest Dien's science?"

"Hope is the province of the ignorant and the meek," Gisena dismissed. "I would hardly gainsay it, but relying on it when superior methods exist? One hopes not! Surely you've learned by now not to underestimate a genius?"

"Who could ever underestimate your skills of self-promotion?"

"But in this case, it will be you receiving the promotion!" Gisena replied, segueing instantly into the topic at hand. "For I've reconstructed Plerion's device, and improved upon it. No drawn-out agonizing servitude required: simply the consumption of the Azure, and all its potential, to fuel the awakening of a Soul Evocation whose power will be truly unmatched! And the chief component of this device will be none other than your Forebear's Blade."

She flipped a page in her diagram. "Recall the tines which held the Ring in place? Your blade will serve as the central prong. I will infuse the entire construct with findross, while Aobaru reinforces it with Vigorflame. Verschlengorge, Novakhron and Adorie will all channel their Rank to power the device, while Adorie's Oath of Winter weakens the Ring's own resistance to the consumption effect. Novakhron alone is countless orders of magnitude more powerful than Plerion or Stenallon ever were, so the energies channeled will be truly incomparable to the Temple's attempt!"

"Impressive," Hunger acknowledged. "You'll certainly create something of immense power, but how do we know it will be applicable to Dien? From my understanding, a Soul Evocation is unique to its individual, and there is no guarantee that the light of my soul will be of a form that can counter Dien's abilities. If it makes me an even better swordsman, that will not help us find or reach him."

"Still you underestimate me," Gisena sighed. "I've already calculated all of our potential Soul Evocations - mine being Nullity-related, of course... Adorie's is promising, and Aobaru's would be truly heroic, but yours wins out by virtue of your own excellent Rank, and because of some special circumstances, O King. Even if it hadn't, you are Lord Hunger and the Ring Crimson! Your preeminent powers of abduction and consumption mean that only you would receive the full benefits of consuming a rival Ring."

At this, Adorie stepped in. "Gisena has determined that your Soul Evocation is that of the Imprisoner. Which does not directly help us here, until we consider the rest of your panoply! The Tower of Sky was once my prison, and now is part of your Cloak of Sky; and the Cloak of Sky is itself the Realm of Evening, of which you are the uncontested master. As a Soul Evocation increases in power, it advances in both breadth and depth, as we saw by the 'Librarian' manifesting the abilities of a powerful magus. An Imprisoner of sufficient power, carries the nature and attributes of his prison with him, and the domain most suitable for you - which has acted as a prison before, and of which you are king and warden - is nothing less than the Realm of Evening itself!"

"Ambitious," Hunger said. "If we could overlay the Realm onto ordinary reality, even in part, it would grant almost arbitrary control over any number of factors. Time, space, matter, energy... more than simply finding Dien, we could undo all the horrors he's committed. But to extend the power of the Imprisoner so grossly... are you certain this outcome would actually occur?"


"Under normal circumstances," Adorie shook her head. "Absolutely not. But as you said, the Soul Evocation awakened by this method will possess immense and absurd power. It will have progressed many epochs beyond any reasonable standard or limitation. And, if we maximize the sympathetic connections involved by re-imprisoning me in the Realm, we have a very good chance!"

Hunger frowned. That...

"Now," Gisena cut in, "As warden you'll be able to let our darling Adorie out for the great majority of the time, and even when she's 'trapped' you'll be entirely capable of conversing or interacting with her at will, so this is not such a great sacrifice for our Queen of Winter. However, don't believe that you'll be able to control the material realm to the same degree as Evening's, either: a Soul Evocation is fundamentally limited by the Rank of its wielder, so you'll 'only' be able to manipulate every facet of reality with the same proficiency of control you hold over the domain of blood. Rather than an Imprisoner, you'll effectively be some sort of archmage, whose magical prowess at least equals the sum total of your other powers combined. I'll augment you further with support Graces, so that your effective Rank is elevated by full saturation with findross in both the physical and Astral realms. The perfect complement to my own embodiment of magical nullity!"

"I see your scheme," Hunger said, hefting the Blade, "but it's worth a try, if my Blade is willing. No tool less will suffice to destroy a Ring of Power. But the blade is still injured, and the power of Artifice the Azure embodies could be the quickest practical route to repairing it..."

"Consents?" Gisena asked. "Aren't you the master of the Blade, its owner and wielder?"

"The Forebear's Blade is not just an implement," Hunger explained. "It is his legacy, moreso than the Tyrant ever was. He was the patriarch of uncountable dynasties, but only ever wielded one Blade. Through this weapon he channeled all his techniques, all the powers and magics of his long, painful procession. Nothing more than a murder weapon, yet nothing less than his praxis itself. I am its wielder, yes, and its owner by theft and wergeld. But its master? Not in truth. Not yet. Even if it so desired, I am simply not worthy of the title."

He held the sword aloft, gripped in both hands, pointed heavenward towards the sky of evening which encompassed and pervaded all their hopes for this occasion.

In the end, he mused, it had come down to hope after all.

"Once you were the instrument by which your wielder accessed a power beyond all reason," he addressed the Blade. "I ask that you act as such once more, and deliver victory, as you have against every foe I have encountered in the past..."

O dream of fairness, become his blade, that he may enact your impossible wish upon all that were raised against you.

Hunger closed his eyes. Long moments passed. The blade in his hands seemed to grow steadily in weight and heft, straining even his colossal might, become an unbearable anchor which eclipsed the world and even the Realm itself - yet still he held it aloft, held it by the Refinement of Purpose and the Refinement of War, by the very Praxis which the Forebear had mastered with it as channel and vessel. Every moment was excruciating effort, the burden ever-multiplying, as if he were attempting to progress, not in the Praxis, but the entire Praxis itself...

And then, suddenly and all at once, the Blade deigned to relent.

It was not in the nature of a sword, that its wielder should become a magus. Still less, an archmage. Yet at the end, it was willing, as it had been for the Forebear, and events ultimately proceeded as Gisena had foreseen.

The device was made, their powers channeled, the Azure destroyed. By the Ring of Truth sacrificed, did the truth of his own soul find its accession; and, moreover, the truth of his own blade revealed:

For this particular Blade had only ever had one master, one owner, and one wielder.

It had leapt to him, had maintained its stalwart loyalty, not because of his proficiency with abduction, nor the righteousness of his cause; but simply because he embodied its master in truth - that he was not worthy at present, mattered not, for he was, and always would be, its once and future wielder, no one less than the Forebear himself.

And upon his Blade, an inscription was burned, to match the runes across its obverse side, which had first given the Forebear his Praxis of the Sword -

O realm of splendor, great evening dark; become his will, that he may enact your impossible tyranny upon all who would seek to defy him.

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The winner was [X] Sophont Halo and [X] Archmage. By imprisoning Adorie, the Queen of Winter, Hunger has also gained [X] November Sky. The vote update will be tomorrow!
I left all of Gisena's dialogue in here because she deserves it, just let me point out again that we beat literally every boss thanks to Gisena's help. Here she describes the process she designed to give us Archmage. I've bolded the relevant portions.

I think my multi-quote problems ate the description of Archmage but that's not important because Archmage's blurb is misleading. It's actually just a souped up version of Hunger's Imprisonment.

We sacrifice the Imprisoned Ring and Adorie's former Prison to create a new better Prison to put Adorie in. That lets us extrude the Realm of Evening into the material realm letting us shape reality like we can the Realm essentially faking magic.

There's also the line about an Imprisoner carrying the nature and attributes of his Prison. Maybe a stronger prison would make Hunger stronger as well? Would changing the layout of the Realm of Evening have a direct correlation to Hunger's abilities?

The first clone in line darted forward, lashing out once, twice with its phantasmal Blade: the hum of its passage a chord in the air, bi-directional rending wholly invisible to the mortal eye. A wave of Rank outthrust accompanied the strike, tidal wave of Pressure that punctured heaven and cloud, spanning to the horizon in a single liminal burst. Were they on a curved planet of Earthly size, the cutting force would have followed the contours of the land to return from behind; and, unimpeded, would have had strength enough to make that journey several times. It was power enough to sunder continents and subjugate worlds, though so tightly controlled as not to perturb even the hairs on the Duchess' head.

For a moment he was stricken by a passing disorientation, as the sheer ludicrous pace, the utter insanity, of Progression overcame him briefly. Not five months ago he had been nearly powerless; a decade before he had toiled and strived to eke out even a fraction of the Tyrant's power. And now, this one copy of which he could manifest a thousand million could overthrow that Tyrant as easily as drawing its blade. It was dizzying to think about, and far easier to just accept and proceed, but he forced himself to contemplate it so as not to under-value the magnitude of the Accursed's gift. Perhaps in a billion years he would regret that exchange of burden for Lathe, but without such an implement as Progression he would never reach such venerable age at all. Despite his Curse of interesting times, he was still unutterably grateful.

"Hmm," Letrizia examined the miles-deep gouge with an affected air of unconcern. "Show-off. How many of these guys are you planning to make?"

"I thought I'd start with a billion," Hunger said evenly, gazing up at the stars. "Enough to secure the Human Sphere, with a few million left over to track down each and every one of Dien's contingencies. I only hope that they're clever enough to actually do so, when it comes down to it..."

"A b-billion," Letrizia said, going pale. "That's rather a-ambitious of you. No need to overstrain yourself, the Human Sphere only has about ten thousand relevant systems. And from what you've shown me, ten clones per system should be plenty, maybe a thousand for the sector capitals. That's not even a million."

"Under normal circumstances, yes." Hunger agreed readily. "But with Dien occupying so many systems... we'd best match his weight of numbers, with our own. My hope is to overpower him in each and every system, or at least buy enough to time to further develop lateral capabilities with my Soul Evocation. If I give these clones any greater portion of my fractional essence they may begin to qualify as 'me' to the degree that they'd start suffering my Curses, which would be unacceptable for any number of reasons. So sheer overwhelming quantity is our only course."

Letrizia shook her head. "And these guys are really less than one millionth of your full power, each... that's absolutely crazy. I've been following you this whole time and even I don't have a good understanding of your current strength!"

Hunger held up a hand. "Stop, you're embarrassing me. I preferred the abusive Letrizia; her efforts were futile but cuter!"

"So you're that kind of deviant, huh? Well too bad, such beneficence must be earned, and ought not be given freely!"

He laughed. "Don't take after Gisena too broadly. She's the very worst kind of influence. One that makes bad habits look good."

The last few hours passed without incident, his horde of Hungers unremarkably passing every test thrown at them; the rest of the crew stopped observing and instead said their tearful, overly theatrical goodbyes to Adorie, who would be 'imprisoned' within the Realm of Evening - only able to depart for three-fourths of the day in order to maintain his status as nominal warden. The enormity of the sacrifice they'd taken to awaken his Soul Evocation had granted them a great deal of leeway, but the foundational integrity of the Realm as a true, if comfortable prison plane had to be maintained at all times.

Temporally it appeared that Adorie would not benefit from the Realm's timeless nature unless Hunger was in the Realm himself. Therefore she would spend a great deal of her 'term' asleep or reading, enjoying the (carefully regimented, as befit a prisoner) outrageous opulence of the Realm's accommodations and cuisine. As was appropriate for a prisoner of Royal status, he supposed.


They departed the Realm; unfeeling legions of Hunger clones in serried ranks spanned the length and breadth of their deployment field, bone-white simulacra in endless rows as far as the naked eye could witness, a forest of grim-faced blade-bearing warlords.

Hunger frowned. Did he really look like that all the time?

Then again, only a fool would expect anything less from the Forebear.

As the gate to Evening opened the clones boiled forth, unrelenting as the tide and unstoppable as the ocean entire: seething outwards into the unsuspecting universe like the froth and churn of a wave so high and so fierce that it threatened to drown the Sphere itself.

Second among Hunger's many Imprisoner-priorities had been the development of spatial magics; with an effort of will and a pulse from his Ring the legions were one-by-one sent off to the various systems of the Sphere: overrunning the worlds that Dien had claimed, reinforcing those he had besieged. And then it was their turn; not content merely to stay and withstand whatever traps Dien had positioned at their location, Hunger and his party disappeared in a wink and a wrinkle of spacetime.
In this post we see the power of Archmage, the wraith clones of Hunger and how Imprisonment works. The bolded parts are the other stuff, the unbolded parts are the clones.

Prisoners don't benefit from the Realm and we require a prisoner to maintain Archmage.

Clones seem super OP when combined with Close the Fist. Although apparently something to do with Hunger Essence prevents us from using this combo?

[ ] Companions II - Allows you to take two companions with you across Geas worlds. Note that you will require a character imprisoned within the Realm to make use of Archmage; Adorie has the highest metaphysical resonance with the role but most others can substitute (poorly) in a pinch. By default: Gisena, Adorie are taken
This choice suggests we need an actual NPC to be imprisoned to make the realm function optimally.

Yup. Adorie's personal circumstances align well with 'counting as an imprisoned target' -

*Literally imprisoned for literally the majority of her life in a mythical tower, to the degree that it defined her personal development;
*While literally the princess and heir apparent of a fantasy nation which was literally conquered by a shadowy overlord;
*While literally possessing a bloodline that enables the preservation of mythical essence, including the literal embodiment of legendary archetypes;
*The specific tower itself that imprisoned her literally having been absorbed into the same Artifact which is literally the Realm of Evening itself

That said, Hunger could easily maintain Archmage by just converting the Realm of Evening into a true prison plane and throwing some actual prisoners in; a realm girded for iron stoicism, its purpose diverted towards containment and exploitation rather than opulence, well-being and relaxation. Just imprison the first people he meets during a new Geas task and he'll easily have access to Archmage again - given his scaling speed, he'll have maximum possible strength relative to the new Geas universe and would be unlikely to be challenged on a personal level except for the very highest-tier combatants in the entire setting, at least for a few Geas tasks. Of course, Apocryphal...
Rihaku describes what makes Adorie an ideal prisoner.

More importantly if we turn the realm of evening into a prison plane, we can just imprison people at random and retain access to Archmage. Not sure if this takes into account people in the new Geas universe being stronger than our current one or not. Maybe if we just imprison everyone we can that will strengthen Hunger?

[ ] Charging His Laser - The Refinement of War is no trivial upgrade, no power-up to be toggled on or off at will. The immense power it grants lasts mere moments, and though its channeller may well be a juggernaut war-god for its invocation, the costs are very much commensurate to the rewards. Thus it behooves Hunger not to invoke this utmost component of his arsenal until all the circumstances are aligned. Using the powers of his Soul Evocation, he has imprisoned countless volleys of Novakhron's cannon-arm within its charging chamber, awaiting the perfect moment to strike. When overwhelming force may fall like a thunderbolt, only then will he loose the Dog of War.

*Apocryphal is not intervening here, it will retain its own charge for later.
*By conserving activations of the Refinement of War, Hunger maximizes his Praxis stamina to deal with unforeseen contingencies
*The reality-sundering blast of Novakhron's stacked cannon shots, amplified by War, will deal horrific damage to whatsoever it strikes. High win probability.
Archmage can seal volleys of Novakhron's cannon. Not sure how this ability works? Can it only be used on people weaker than you or is it only energy attacks? Why couldn't we use this to seal the force behind the Maiden's attacks or some of her findross for example.

All these potent enemies that Hunger would rather not kill... it's almost as if he's some kind of Imprisoner!

Maybe he can even get Adorie out of there and replace her with some genuine, legitimate prisoners! How convenient.
Rihaku again suggests we stop using Adorie and make an actual prison.

Indefinite imprisonment is nothing less than tyranny! Truly cruel and unusual!
Imprisonment and Tyranny are linked? Maybe why the Forebear gained this soul evocation, or maybe the soul evocation made him a tyrant?

[ ] Fault-Defeating Stance / Meditation Of the Singular Pinnacle [0 picks, 28 Arete] - Aspect of he who surrendered, and was bound. Who more appropriate to contrive access to such power than the Imprisoner himself?

An Advancement of the Imprisoner Soul Evocation, and Stance of the Forebear's Blade. Requires Archmage. By committing to advance only one of Archmage's numerous domains for one sidereal year, the character experiences a rapid and transcendental improvement in the purview of their chosen focus. Even without taking any actions at all, a character within the Fault-Defeating Stance advances within their focus at a rate one hundred times that of the same character training diligently for every waking moment. Additionally, the character eliminates both external penalties and self-inflicted errors relevant to their utilization of the focus domain. However, they may not advance in the Archmage's other domains for that year, and other skills or abilities beyond its remit are unaffected.

For example, if Hunger were to activate the Fault-Defeating Stance selecting the domain of Space, he would advance his spatial manipulation at one hundred times its prior rate, including the effects of Progression, Ascendancy Halo, etc - even if he did not so much as lift a finger to perform actual training for the full duration of that year. He would still suffer the training malus imposed by the Ring Hunger, and additional training performed by him would only yield its ordinary results: if he employed the Fault-Defeating Stance and further trained Space all day without respite, he would advance at 101x rather than 100x his prior speed. Advancement from non-training sources is unaffected. He cannot make errors in employing the effects of the Space domain (re-roll natural 1s), and is impervious to penalties (poisons, magical or situational debuffs, etc) that would affect his use thereof.

He would be barred from advancing in the other domains of Archmage, and the advancement rate of his remaining capabilities would be unaffected.

Stance Mastery (Req. 25 Wisdom) - If employed in conjunction with the All-Defeating Stance: double the Attribute bonus from that Advancement, and the character may select two foci to experience the full benefits of this stance, instead. He may advance both those domains at the accelerated rate, but is still barred from advancing the remaining domains.

*Decent synergy in conjunction with Hunger's Gisena buff, which already established a baseline level of skill in every domain.
*Stance Mastery vastly expands the versatility of this Advancement.
*Very powerful during timeskips, but relatively weak during dense action.
Advances our Archmange skills in a single area at 100x speed in exchange for not being able to advance in other areas for a year.

[ ] Gilded Cage [2 picks, 25 Arete] - Sequestration so exquisite that one never desires to leave. This, too, is imprisonment of a kind.

An Advancement of the Imprisoner Soul Evocation. The character may manifest sub-substructures within the Realm of Evening, wherein the already paradisaical opulence of his domain is magnified ten-thousandfold. This is a holistic augmentation that enhances all attributes of the Realm - from the invigorating essence of the air, to the quality of the victuals, to the direct multiplication of pleasure experienced by the inhabitants - that sums to a ten thousand-times amplification of the fortunate recipient's hedonic and qualitative experiences. Even the meaning attributed to said experiences is amplified.

Those imprisoned within the Gilded Cages will often go to any lengths to extend their stay, actively cooperating with their jailer in order to preserve the objectively happiest experience of their lives. With the already-deific splendor of the Realm elevated by several orders of magnitude... well, who would blame them?

Nor is the Cage an empty tool of mere bribery and indoctrination. The anagathic, restorative and augmentative effects of Realm-crafted cuisine are also multiplied, and their ultimate limits expanded, such that any lucky prisoner can experience a steady improvement in their Physical and Spiritual Attributes during their sentence, if their warden so desires.

The Imprisoner and up to five designees are free to enjoy Gilt amenities without the risk of addiction or alteration of their value structure. ++Mental Stability to such characters. +Might, +Agility, +Willpower, +Luck, +Wisdom for every week spent in a Cage, to maximum of ++++++++++++++++++++ to those Attributes. Those below Rank 10 receive +0.1 Rank as well, up to a maximum of +3.0 Rank. Those beyond the prime of their biological youth cease to age while within, and revert towards that prime at a rate of 25 years per week.

*From buffing subordinates to converting enemies to simply heightening one's well-deserved respite, the applications are truly limitless!
*The Gilded Cage cares not whether it is turned to means sinister or divine. Harmless doping tool or Machiavellian crucible of carrot-and-stick conditioning, it's merely the warden's prerogative!
*Hunger will place Aobaru into a Cage to heal, and will try to capture Dien to Cage him as well. How merciful!
Gilded Cage description. Addict your enemies to Imprisonment!

[ ] The Imprisoner True - The domains of Space and Law hold a special affinity for Hunger, and with their combined powers he has accessed many of the grandest applications of the Seven Seals, alongside universe-spanning control over distance, direction, location, and size. It is child's play for Hunger to reflexively reflect the attacks of his enemies, turn them inside-out, trap them within an infinite oubliette or shrink them to the size of a gluon. Creating pocket dimensions, bestriding the various Realms, harnessing resources from every corner of the universe seen and unseen - and applying his universal dominion throughout. Naturally, the space around Hunger's own person, his place of uttermost power, has become a sanctum nigh-unassailable whose very metaphysics exalt his every effort and oppress those of his enemies. Has great synergy with Adorie, who derives sympathetic potency from her mythic role as the Princess in the Tower. ++Adorie.
The ability that let us stop the Maiden from just taking over the Human Sphere immediately I think. Didn't actually seem to work while we were fighting her. I guess fancy effects don't actually matter unless you're strong enough to make them stick.


Imprisoner True is actually the most powerful overall, since the domains in question have special synergy with Hunger himself!
Hunger has special synergy with the domains of Space and Law for some reason.

Imprisoner True

Echo Gain Rate - 25 / month
RoB Multiplier - 60x

Sanctum: Within a 3-meter radius of Hunger (immutable to spatial alteration), he receives the following modifiers -
*Invincible - +0.3 ISH to all abilities, -0.5 ISH to enemy abilities, effects below base ISH 3.0 cannot oppose the wielder. A vigintillion point-blank supernovas would be no more troublesome than a breeze.
*Paradox Seal - Triple all Attributes after modifiers, instead septuple all Attributes against Heroes
*Domination - Save by his leave, entities within radius cannot act counter to wielder's desires. Against beings who would resist this ISH 3.5 effect, gain +200 Charisma and +100% to Holy Shit Modifier
*Titled - Enemies suffer -10%, and Hunger gains +10%, multiplicatively to All Attributes per exchange. Applies to all contests. Permanent until target leaves radius. Reduce by 10% multiplicatively the effects of any debuffs upon Hunger per exchange (or per attosecond, outside of contests). Does not appreciably mitigate Curses.

Space: Near-arbitrary warping of space. Essentially anything that an unrestricted mid-multiverse level reality warper can perform using spatial manipulation alone, Hunger can replicate with effort. Wrap the Human Sphere in powerful dimensional shields that displace all incoming attacks; allow for trivial inter-sphere Travel for all planets; cover the entire universe in Flood of Runes.

Law: Laws supernaturally enforced. Perfect construction of laws. Can adjust laws of physics and, to a degree, metaphysics. Can fiat otherwise impossible effects within one's legitimately controlled territory. Can adjust definition of legitimacy. Targets that oppose the wielder's legitimate decrees suffer massive penalties, while those who seek to impose the appropriate legal consequences receive massive bonuses.

Sealing: Can perform all feats described under Seven Seals easily, though stat modifiers are abstracted into Invincible.

Human Sphere Security *****
Human Sphere Prosperity ****
Description of Imprisoner True makes it clear that it can do everything described in Seven Seals. Possibly we can just seal the Maiden since we cut her quite a bit?

[ ] Seven Seals - The magic of the world was evocation of the self, the light of the soul made manifest. Each who had awakened to the light could offer their own unique capabilities, but few were as versatile and encompassing as this. The power to Seal can broadly be thought of as the inverse of reification: a flame becomes the character for 'Fire'; an onrushing torrent locked into a picture of itself. But this is an ability whose applications well exceed mere storage and containment. Not only can attacks from one foe be captured to be released against another, the nature of things sealed can be intensified through addition or fundamentally altered via combination. One may lack the equipment to meld fire with stone, but far easier to combine the character 'Fire' with the character 'Stone.'

And stranger effects than this are possible for a true master of the art: drawing upon sealed reserves without unsealing them; sealing and combining concepts; safely converting one's self into a seal, thereby to reside halfway into the Realm of Forms!

*An extremely versatile ability that allows for countless permutations
*Seal and redirect enemy attacks or convert any convenient form of quickly moving mass-energy into attacks; contain and constrict the abilities of foes; channel intensified sealed strength for superhuman attributes, seal one's own tiredness, or even become a being of pattern more than form and sear yourself across the span of reality!
*The first two Seals are easy to learn. Each subsequent level represents a rapidly escalating leap in difficulty. Progress will be relatively slow compared to other disciplines.
*Forbidden Art: Fifth Seal. The hero can no longer recall any details of the Fifth or higher Seals.

For whatever reason this didn't appear when searched. Anyway apparently we can use all seven seals with this ability. Not that we even know what the seven seals do!

[ ] The Forebear's Blade - Inheritance

May you forever disregard the counsel of your lessors, no matter their wisdom or cunning. May you stifle all law and paradigm not born solely of your writ. May you carry on unswervingly until the bitter and uttermost end.

May you be doomed to tyranny in deed, and in name forevermore.


-The Forebear of Dynasties

The once and future king. At times little more than feeble whisper of a prophecy, now a promise vindicated in full. Hunger comes into the fullness of his power; the might of his former self at an analogous stage of development is added to his own. Moreover, he now is the Forebear of Dynasties returned in truth, and bears all the glory and terror of his unfathomable epochal reign. A law unto himself that uncontested could bring all creation to ruin; sheer limitless power, heedless will like the spark of divinity curdled into unyielding iron.

Req. Once and Future III, Haeliel

Uttermost, End: The Doom of Tyranny is removed from Hunger's Curses; rather, it is simply how the Forebear is. 'Mitigation' is meaningless and impossible for such a fundamental pillar of the Forebear's essential nature.

*What is Rank, but the weight of narrative compounded by density? And what is density, but a function of the weight within a given space? To the uttermost master of Law and Space, the natural conclusion is no supernova of will, but rather an inescapable singularity.
*Add infinite Willpowers +s.
*Set Rank to infinite.

Ruin Incarnate: The Forebear is Ruin itself and casts its pallor across all that he touches; every person, object, polity or phenomenon with which he enters contact is doomed irrevocably to ruin. Though, being its absolute master, the ending of his favored kingdoms may come only after the long and gentle decay of a vigintillion eons; while the barding of his enemy disintegrates in moments.

*Merge Rank and Ruin. The wielder's Rank now drives all within its influence to ruin of some form, though the wielder has great discretion over the nature and timeframe of manifestation.
*If Rank is infinite, its cardinality is now determined by the wielder's prior Rank and the might of their Power of Ruin.

Coronation: The king, must be stronger than anyone else. The king, must be grander than anyone else. Only then may he shelter his kingdom in the face of disasters outrageous and without end. Whether he stands alone or with countless legions behind, ultimate responsibility belongs always and only to the king. Glory is lighter than sunbeams; duty is heavier than eons. Those who fail to embrace it will find themselves without head or crown.

*+800% All Attributes
*+1000 Might +s
*Apply Imprisoner True's Sanctum effect to the entirety of Hunger's kingdoms.

Inheritence represents the past, Hunger's identity as the Forebear of Dynasties, the culmination of ancient promises, Hunger's relationships with Gisena and Haeliel; victory though at grievous cost and the might of Hunger alone. ++Gisena, +Haeliel, unlocks Haeliel Ending.

Arete generated from this point forward will directly, though likely modestly, improve Hunger's odds against the Maiden.
The upgrade Vengeance gives us. Importantly for Imprisoner it applies Sanctum to Hunger's entire kingdom i.e this effect

Sanctum: Within a 3-meter radius of Hunger (immutable to spatial alteration), he receives the following modifiers -
*Invincible - +0.3 ISH to all abilities, -0.5 ISH to enemy abilities, effects below base ISH 3.0 cannot oppose the wielder. A vigintillion point-blank supernovas would be no more troublesome than a breeze.
*Paradox Seal - Triple all Attributes after modifiers, instead septuple all Attributes against Heroes
*Domination - Save by his leave, entities within radius cannot act counter to wielder's desires. Against beings who would resist this ISH 3.5 effect, gain +200 Charisma and +100% to Holy Shit Modifier
*Titled - Enemies suffer -10%, and Hunger gains +10%, multiplicatively to All Attributes per exchange. Applies to all contests. Permanent until target leaves radius. Reduce by 10% multiplicatively the effects of any debuffs upon Hunger per exchange (or per attosecond, outside of contests). Does not appreciably mitigate Curses.

Very powerful for kingdom building especially the Domination effect. No rebellions unless you're at least able to resist a ISH 3.5 effect.


Always

An infinity before, she had been Ceathlynn. Now, she was the Maiden in full: wax and wick both melted away, leaving only the flame imperishable. Endless eons of preparation had culminated in this single moment.

With an exercise of her Grace, the Epistolary Realm unfurled around her: falling to pieces like the petals of a lotus, become so much fuel and dross before the infinite emanation of wonder that was her heart. It was not in her nature to hesitate, only to prevail.

From the realm of unsparing Daylight she strode forth: blazing sun of halcyon white before which even the starry void itself could but retreat into noon-bleached impotence. The universe was recast instantly, become mere refracted luminance, moon to the sun of her yet-veiled visage.

And yet, some fraction of this realm did not leap implicitly into her service, but interdicted her: a territory chained by its bedrock axioms to a lord that presumed himself above even the Foremost. Upon his throne of midnight, the Imprisoner reigned still, embryonic spark that threatened ignition into the Forebear of Dynasties once more. How strange it seemed, to one of her matchless span, finally to face the enemy who she'd labored against for so long. A veritable eternity had been spent in the mustering; millenia beyond number passing with eyeblink quickness, and yet it had seemed at times that she would merely be preparing for ever.

In her heart of hearts, she was tired, and yet could not help but surge with vigor at the contest come at last. Like first break of dawn after a wholly-sleepless night, a second wind came over her: senses bleary but radically sharper, every nerve tuned to crackling readiness.

Behind her veil, she frowned minutely. Her power could not reach directly into the Human Sphere. It was not an unexpected outcome, yet she had hoped that the Praehihr would avoid this path, if only to expedite matters for them both.

In any direct contest, it was unquestionable that her Grace would evade the grasp of his Law - yet such was his dominion over Space that, within his proscribed territory, the very concept of evasion lost coherence. An effect she could counter by sheer weight of findross, but only if she entered the territory in question.

It was, of course, impossible to breach such a realm by conventional means, or even to conceive of its relative location. To her, such minute forbiddings were little better than tinsel, yet it would still be an exertion of her stamina - unthinkably vast, but finite - to cut through, and what was to stop him from immediately raising another?

Only her direct attentions.

She had anticipated this. It was one scenario of countless she'd simulated, and yet every victory along this path carried some measure of risk. The Praehihr had embraced imprisonment entirely; sacrificing all influence outside his fortress to become nigh unassailable from without. The path of Grace alone would not suffice. There would be no triumph by indirect means here, no usurper consigned to irretrievable oblivion by sheer cleverness alone. He would be undone from within his sanctum, or not at all.

So be it. She had hoped for a brisk execution, but would not shirk a proper war. It would only delay the hour of her victory in the end.

A moment, and she reached the borders of his sanctum.

The Human Sphere stood arrayed before her, war-machines of her errant governess bristling across the entire circumference of its bound, unseemly science perfected and turned towards the brazen annihilation of all intruders. Sorceress Allria had plumbed great depths of mortal prowess to bring forth the Human Sphere's outer rind: a septillion dreadnaught-Implements incubated across the Voyaging and Industrial Realms, fueled not by Curseweft but indestructible nuclei of Foremost Art. Each more than a match for a thousand of the incomplete Ereadhihr left to this domain, yet worse than hapless against a proper Maker.

With a single step she bypassed the shield-moat of their combined Pressure, and prepared to banish the Human Sphere in its entirety. Its departure would see the swift removal of the Cursebearer whose Geas anchored him therein.

She spoke two words.

Light came forth, scouring brilliance that left no remainder, as surely as the naked sun blanketed the eye: cataclysm that unopposed would see the Sphere reduced to naught; and yet the Praehihr did not act.

Instead she witnessed her destroying light pooling harmlessly in the palm of a red-haired child, the Chosen of the Voyaging Realm who with laughable hubris presumed to defy her. Empowered by the fury of his patron he was not inconceivably below her, and certainly impervious to her powers of light and heat; but that did not render him a serious obstacle to her like. She did not hesitate for a moment.
With a gesture she removed her veil.

She was the Maiden: her Grace was absolute, save that it was rivaled by her Beauty.

It was not in her nature to hold back, or contain her powers out of some misguided sense of responsibility. Her Grace was a force mastered utterly, and would not impinge upon even the indirect volition of a being unless so willed. But her Beauty by its nature was impossible to contain. It could only be concealed, and she despised the idea of unintentionally holding another in thrall. Nonetheless hypocrisy could be no impediment to victory.

Even her barest moue of distress was so shatteringly exquisite that Chen Aobaru fell to her feet awestruck, and three-quarters of her enemy's Implements rose immediately in fervent and unthinking rebellion. Helplessly they discarded the crimson panoplies of their Overlord to take up her sunbeam-and-lace banner, their master's influence waning as night retreated before the dawn.

She was the Maiden, her beauty preeminent and impossible, unreachable and unutterable; guiding Archetype towards which every Sorceress evolved, yet none could ever attain. It was so tiresome a weapon to utilize, yet she could not disdain a sword of this sharpness in the contest to come. The stars and Realms of this cosmos genuflected to her in hapless submission, trembling as they pledged to her service, aching as the very laws of reality followed to do the same.

At this provocation, finally, the Overlord appeared.

The merest glance at her close presence and he struck out his own eyes; unhealing wounds bleeding crimson to match the halo of light at his back. Gone his sight and his very capacity to appreciate beauty; ruthlessness worthy of her foe.

In his hands was the Forebear's blade, his armor pitted steel of similarly dull make. Upon his shoulders was the three-headed visage of his former Armament Verschlengorge, taxidermied now in perfect lunging voracity. In their half-opened maws was held a cloak of the night sky, velveteen dark teeming with stars and nebulae - as if the contents of the cosmos had, fleeing her light, now taken asylum within. She frowned, tears of blood falling from her eye. Even an Emperor ought show some restraint.

Without a word of preamble, he struck.

Fell the Forebear's blade as if gravity itself were the hilt; shear of its passage a scream across the world, canvas of reality shredding tissue-like in its wake. This was destruction embodied in an uncaring slab: not even a bludgeon but raw unmaking force, total ruin before which her defenses of light and grace would crumble as thistle beneath a mountain falling.

But Lord Hunger was newly blind, and his accuracy a hair from faultless. With inherent perfection she parried his blow, accepting the implosion of her arm into splintering bone to lash out with a lance of sunlight at his heart. Her equal in skill, he leaned at the last moment to turn her strike into a graze. The grey steel of his armor shimmered, melting before that heat; the skin beneath boiled.

And yet. While she had merely singed him, her arm was already reforming; his burn healed not at all.

Interesting. Perhaps the outcome would have differed if he'd struck her directly, but she had exerted her arm to destruction precisely in order to redirect, rather than match, the power of his blow. Nonetheless the gap in pure strength would have to be accounted for.

Already the astral plane was an eviscerated ruin, and the meta-texture of the realms above and beneath slowly disintegrating. All this was the mere inclement shock of Lord Hunger's first strike. As if breathing raggedly after tremendous exertion, the cosmos shuddered pitifully beneath the grip of his displeasure: only his own subjects, his personal Sphere, were spared that apocalyptic fury.

Tyrant.

The Maiden narrowed her eyes, resolve hardening in the face of such limitless strength. This man was the embodiment of all she stood against, the accession of a singular will above all others, the asphyxiation of greatness - destiny - volition - under the lowered boom of law. He would make all of the world a prison, and see nothing wrong in the doing, so long as he remained master of the cage.

Did it matter that his intentions might be just?

What mattered justice, to a people who had no ability to choose injustice?

She would see his end, one way or another. Victory was a certainty; her survival had never been.

Thus always to tyrants.

For a moment their wills met, each contesting the other's raw command of reality. Here too she was shocked at the depth of his power, nearly matching her own infinitely-cultivated reserves. The multiverse quaked. Stars and galaxies shivered, filaments of the real straining like bow-strings under tension. Entire subrealms snapped, ruptured and fell into disarray, infinite chains of being unraveling, whole hierarchies of cardinality schisming or outright invalidated by the paradox of their strife.

She grasped the shape of their respective dominions. Hers was the sharper and greater, his broader in scope. This was beyond the scope of her calculations; there was an aberrant factor she had missed.

In time she would prevail regardless, but it would be long seconds before his defenses were pierced fully. At present, with each of their domains nullifying the other's, the battle would long be decided by other means.

Even blind he was not unaffected by her beauty, for it was allure irresistible; perfected loveliness of movement and vibration, of voice and scent, that preyed upon the secondary senses unmercifully. The Forebear of Dynasties might be impervious to such temptation, but Lord Hunger was not the Forebear reborn. Not wholly.

Not yet.

As he wound up the return-stroke, Hunger spoke. "I see. I am what you fear you'd become. Fear not. My Rank is not as cruel a yoke as your form. And my wisdom, exceeds yours greatly."

Impertinence. Her throat heaved as if cut, his words themselves opening a wound upon her neck. Her essence spilled out at unnatural pace, but mustering herself she quelled the injury. Keeping it closed was a continuous strain. Modest, compared to the extremes that would be required if she sustained a blow from the blade proper.

Yielding an inch in their contest over reality, she redirected the output to strategically sever the chord of communication between them, removing rhetoric as a vector of attack while retaining her ability to comprehend her foe.

This was the gulf between them: Lord Hunger had to mutilate his own eyes merely to hold off her memetic valence, while she could simply filter his. But with each such expression of material advantage, each stream of findross reified from potential to form, the magnitude of that vantage diminished.

Hunger's second cut turned out to be a feint; closing the distance he shifted his grip to deliver a bone-crushing strike with the hilt at her temple. Pulverization of the essence and soul - space crinkled like shattering glass as she half-ducked beneath that assault, feeling eye and orbital crack from its mere passing weight.

Her hands were not idle, manifesting a blade of crystal findross to slice through his knee. The cloak of sky fouled her stroke, wrapping tenaciously around her wrist as that selfsame knee snapped up to catch her in the face.

She twisted off her own arm rather than let the blow land, hollow stump trailing blood as she fell to the middle distance and began to heal again. Her mind raced. How was Hunger able to withstand the power of her supreme Grace with only his Rank and magics alone? All else proceeded as she had anticipated, save this miscalculation that might be her undoing. But the perfection of the Maiden, extended to genius as well.

The answer lay in Chen Aobaru, imbued with a fraction of his might.

She was well familiar with the legend of the Foremost Shogun. Chief among their purported abilities was the empowerment of their subjects en masse, freely and without precondition.

Somewhere in this realm was an Army of the Shogun whose sole purpose was re-channeling their distributed power directly into Hunger's Rank. The encirclement of Implements was merely a distraction from that, as well as Aobaru's presence itself. An inefficient means of opposing her dominion, but likely the only viable method they had.

Where would such an army be located? She cast her mind out, all-revealing Daylight piercing even the murkiest shroud of Nullity - ah. The Voyaging Realm. A kingdom called Nilfel, part of the Arcanist's domain.

Her opponent pursued relentlessly, opening with a cross-cleave that also obliterated the Astral entirely, causing the uppermost textures to pancake down and shake the universe to its fundaments. Consequently the timing of her evasions was imperfect; her left shoulder was caught and reduced to a ragged mess, bleeding so profoundly even she couldn't afford to staunch it.

But this too was within her calculations. She could not directly witness the future of a Cursebearer, but her insight in matters of war was more than sufficient. Even as her left side collapsed into a grisly ruin, the knife-hand of her right plunged into Lord Hunger's chest, through the opening melted by her previous strike and directly into his heart. With her left arm useless, her leg shifted upwards, vertically flush against their bodies to point a shapely foot in the direction of the Voyaging Realm. From it leapt a spear of uncontrolled findross: simple bolt of self-propagating annihilation, which none of his allies would have the power to deflect.

Mere proximity to Lord Hunger was nearly lethal; at this range, the blade-light of his crimson halo sliced countless wounds into her face and limbs, her veil of lace repealed by one of blood. Rivulets of red traced like rain from her pale flesh as Chen Aobaru hurled himself before the Voyaging Realm; bolt and hero both disappeared in a flash of flame.

Clever. Her features briefly obscured, and the Chosen of the Voyaging Realm had mustered the will to defy her indirectly, if only to fulfill his given purpose of defending his home. Now her initiative was lost.

Despite his own injury Hunger spared not even a moment; his forehead crashed down with thunderous severity to impact against hers, even as the Armament-heads on his shoulder pauldrons released the cloak to swivel and bite down on her arms. Skull ringing, she tossed her hair with a savage burst of findross; impossibly fair the golden halo sliced through Hunger's face, claiming half his jaw and nose as she twisted aside.

With her remaining hand she tenderly pet the nearest Armament-head; all three went slack in bewildered rhapsody, and she leap free. Her bleeding left side she gave up for lost - a moment's will and it slid off her frame, a single clean cut seared closed by daylight. Fresh waves of findross now repulsed his lingering influence, wounds sealing flawlessly as her blood slowly began to replenish.

I have him.

Victory in twelve exchanges at the current pace. She dared not underestimate this foe; the depths of his will were bottomless, but neither his body nor essence could sustain combat at this level for long. The Praxis was his advantage, but its cost was grievous. Each blow from him was an uttermost exertion, while she had only begun to fight. The wounds she sustained would recover, if slowly, while his own injuries remained static at best. Now to close the circle against any desperate maneuvering from his quarter.

With the pace of his offense she was best suited to evasion and counterattack; the angle of his body now shielded the Voyaging Realm from future attempts. Even so it was only a matter of time. If she did not wear him down in direct battle, or land an errant strike on the Voyaging Realm, then eventually she would prevail in their contest of dominion.

And, if all else failed… she had her final recourse still. She prayed it would not come to that.

Win. That's all that matters.

—-

Hunger is weakening and both sides know it. Whosoever shows their trump card first, always loses - but surely the Maiden's Unveiling counts as one of her own?

Time to do his uttermost, as always. What strategem has Hunger prepared to invoke in his direst hour?

[ ] Close The Fist - Aobaru's resilience is as inexhaustible as flame; so long as one iota of heat burns across the multiverse he will spring forth uninjured anew. To fuse with Hunger would be to surrender that advantage in the pursuit of sheer power, but perhaps the apex of this conflict demands nothing less than absolute strength. Hero and Tyrant in all-ruling unison; gleam of the Blade like entombing fire.

*Aobaru is about a quarter as powerful as Hunger himself, so this is the strongest possible merge they can spontaneously manage. Expect something on the order of x40 All Stats and +.3 general ISH.
*+++++Raw Potency, but also +Simping
*Attempt to end the Maiden before she can deploy her final trump card, whatsoever it may be.

[ ] The Cavalry - They risk their lives and very existences to do so, but his lieutenants combined may be able to distract, disorient, diminish or delay the Maiden enough for Hunger to wind up an exsanguinating blow. Risks Aeira, Letrizia, Adorie, Aobaru and Novakhron.

*Dismiss half the Channeler Legions to instead empower each lieutenant's personal division instead, then have the entire lot outflank and assault the Maiden directly. If this fails, such grossly diminished Rank means the Maiden's Supreme Grace will exert effectively total control over reality in nanoseconds rather than minutes. Brief enough that she may theoretically be able to realistically stall for a victory regardless of what Hunger otherwise achieves. Also, the brigades involved may well die in this terrible charge against the princess of light.
*The potential loss of his companions hardens Hunger's resolve. +++Willpower, ++Lethality.
*Even more aggressive than Close the Fist, literally just try to distract her so Hunger can Cut Through. Good risk-reward given Blood Halo's Arete bonus; the kids' chance of success is unknown, but they're very unlikely to actually die.

[ ] Vendetta - Gisena has not been idle, but is the realization of her fury worth the cost?
*Gisena will Close the Fist with Adorie and a resurrected Augustine, then permanently merge with the Arcanist.
*This will be of great help against the Maiden, and is likely the overall most reliable means of improving Hunger's odds in the long run; not reliant on an all-in attack that can fail in the face of her strongest contingencies.
*+++Versatility, ++Raw Power and the contest of dominions now shifts to Hunger's side.
*———————Augustine, —Adorie. She always knew that Purple Bitch had it out for her!
*This is rather Tyrannical to Augustine, forcibly reviving and fusing her, even if somewhat deserved!
First update of the fight against the Maiden, she refers to us multiple times as Imprisoner.
 
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I mean, he is certainly not infailable. For normal person, the reason why Accursed prefers Freedom is because he irrationality but understanbly wants Hunger to rest even if that is inefficient for his overall goal.
Meanwhile delusional people think it is because Accrused is long thing afraid of what Hunger might become, as if that notion is not embarrassingly stupid to contemplate.
The Accursed just being irrational and just doing it to let Hunger rest is not an adequate explanation. From the Discord:

R' — 06/08/2023 10:20 PM
You are free to read into the Accursed's decision however you like. But it is rare that he does things for only one reason.
The actions of one such as he are not carelessly expended

But more importantly, could you stop insulting everybody who disagree with you? This is not the first time you've done this, you've done this a lot, since basically the beginning of the quest and it has done more to poison my whole experience than any other aspect of the quest.

I would also very much appreciate if other people did not like the posts in which Wolfy insults everybody who disagree with him, thus showing their agreement with these insults.
 
Rule 3: Be Civil
I'm just calling out stupid fucking arguments my guy, it is hardly my fault select few posters are the ones who keep making them. Maybe self reflect a bit if that's the case

>b-but muh disagreement

I have little incentive to argue with people who vote my options, now do I
 
I have this to say:
Freedom, Justice, Truth. In time, democracy. A society with the power and wherewithal to be organized around its highest ideals, rather than brute necessity. It is what they would have wanted - and if he no longer wields a hero's strength, still he has a hero's influence.
But what does the Hero really want in the end?

Is it worth giving up his ideals truly and absolutely for the sake of vengeance?

Was this not engineered by the Hidden Ones?

The greatest result of the Procession of Worlds so engineered by the Hidden Ones was The Forebear.
In faraway eons before her birth he had bestrode the greater cosmos as tyrant unflinching; at his fall infinite multitudes had rejoiced, free at last of his iron stranglehold. At its best his reign was a gilded cage; at its worst, ruin everlasting.
"Once you proscribed to pay me back for the powers I had imparted on you. Do me this favor, old foe: rest. Let me never again be forced to take up arms against you...

…It was a difficult enough fight the first time."
The Forebear, who was horror upon the Cosmos, the Forebear who the Accursed took up arms against and cast down, suffering the Tyrant's Doom in the process.

The Forebear, created by the Hidden Ones, who in the end did not fall against them but rather the Accursed.

Now consider the first words of this quest:
Every story spoken has been spoken before.

The boy from Earth stumbles into another realm. A world of wonder and magic, suffering beneath the Tyrant's cruel yoke. The boy becomes a man, the man becomes a hero, the hero defeats the Tyrant, and all live happily ever after. So destiny has decreed.

But the Tyrant is not so easily overcome.
Should the story of The Forebear again be spoken as it was once before? Is the Tyrant truly not so easily overcome in the end?

The title of the Accursed is The End of Stories. Perhaps we should bring this part of The Forebear's story to an end, instead of perpetuating it again.

It's hardly victory to repeat the achievements of The Hidden Ones again, after all.
 
The Forebear is rapidly becoming a subject as tired as he.

So, I'll try to make this quick. When he went to curse his slayer, he chose his own terminal lack of empathy and inspiration. What supreme willpower had cost him. Described herein:
The Procession of Worlds was a staircase that only descended, and he its benighted warden, yet still he had lived and seen wonders beyond the reckoning of pallid mundanity, glimpsed and grasped power beyond the furthermost imaginings of men. Still it was not enough. Was that his curse, or merely his burden?

The enemy was upon him once more. Berserkers, a horde to darken the wide-rimmed horizon, each beast engorged with the swollen might of devoured pantheons; the pantheons themselves richly fattened by entire worlds enslaved, engines of exploitation so deeply engrained that their laborers had no word for even the concept of choice. How many quadrillions lived and breathed their own oppression, fearful yet hopeless, with neither the will nor the desire to conceive of better, knowing absolutely that their flat merciless existence was the best of all possible worlds?

Torments of such modest scope failed to quicken him anymore, yet he had no choice but to fight. The staircase was endless and without remorse. Conquest and dominion meant he would take only a single step down, while failure would see him descend entire flights, the power and torments of the worlds where he landed unthinkable to a mind of his present level. Had he not learned to cut... he shuddered at where his current existence might lie. Trapped and mewling in some torture dimension half a thousand steps up, perhaps. The Procession did not take kindly to those who ignored its implicit dictates.
He could not be swayed, or he would have broken. By hook or by crook, it didn't matter. To win, he became infinitely driven and infinitely callous.

That's why the Doom of the Tyrant is a curse. You can still care for others, but you can never let that affect your decisions. Your cravings can only ever motivate you. So can your fears. Your willpower is unrestricted because every part of you is just another source of it. Forward, ever forward.

There's no place for the Forebear of Dynasties as he was in the Victorious World. There's no place for him in anything. He literally cannot belong anywhere, because that mere ability would have made him too weak to break the Procession. Any reign, any promise, any pact, any purpose: no matter how perfect, could not appease such a person. To be appeased, would be to fail. It's not within him to fail.

That's the price of Vengeance. Even should Hunger win, he'll mutilate himself a million times over to make it happen. He'll banish every gloaming specter of peace and prosperity that emerges, each one paving a road towards a truth as inescapable as his own will. To die before he reaches its end would be a kindness.

How do you think rescinding the Doom works?
 
Can we even trust the Accursed to be impartial in this instance? Sure he gave us progression in the first place but he did that already knowing Hunger was the Forebear, who was once his enemy. Was this all some long con to forever neuter the possibility of the Forebear's revival?

Or perhaps just a plan where he wins no matter the outcome. Either we become a High Cursebearer and succeed in removing the curse from him we originally bestowed, or we die trying thus eliminating us as a potential threat, or we agree to forsake our mantel as the Forebear due to perceived gratitude and cease to be a threat regardless.
 
If we assume the Accursed cannot be trusted, then giving up Progression becomes mandatory, though pointless. Building your power with the tools of the enemy would be beyond foolish. Of course, if the Accursed opposes Hunger he has already lost.

It isn't a very productive line of discussion.
 
If we assume the Accursed cannot be trusted, then giving up Progression becomes mandatory, though pointless. Building your power with the tools of the enemy would be beyond foolish. Of course, if the Accursed opposes Hunger he has already lost.

It isn't a very productive line of discussion.
Even if we assume the Accursed can't be trusted the only hope we'd have of opposing him would lie in the power of Progression.

The argument that if we take Vengeance we might become a threat to the Accursed already assumes that we can use Progression against him so I'm not sure why we couldn't in the case he was always an enemy.

Besides rather than straight enmity it seems more likely to be a any move we make the accursed wins type of scenario. Why else give a fallen enemy the power of Progression?
 
Even if we assume the Accursed can't be trusted the only hope we'd have of opposing him would lie in the power of Progression.

The argument that if we take Vengeance we might become a threat to the Accursed already assumes that we can use Progression against him so I'm not sure why we couldn't in the case he was always an enemy.

Besides rather than straight enmity it seems more likely to be a any move we make the accursed wins type of scenario. Why else give a fallen enemy the power of Progression?
If we assume the Accursed is already Hunger's enemy then no amount of Hungers effort could protect him from having swallowed the poison pill this early. Further, if we assume the Accursed is Hungers enemy then everything he has ever said becomes untrustworthy, any information acquired through Hunger about the Victorious World, any information from Haeliel, any information gained through senses affected by the Lathe of Heaven, etc. All become instantly untrustworthy.

Operating on that level of paranoia simply isn't productive.





If the Accursed believes in his ideals, of a better world than this, then helping people who were fucked over, like the Forebear by his Procession, is perfectly in line with his values. In a better world the Accursed and the Forebear are not enemies.
 
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If we assume the Accursed is already Hunger's enemy then no amount of Hungers effort could protect him from having swallowed the poison pill this early. Further, if we assume the Accursed is Hungers enemy then everything he has ever said becomes untrustworthy, any information acquired through Hunger about the Victorious World, any information from Haeliel, any information gained through senses affected by the Lathe of Heaven, etc. All become instantly untrustworthy.

Operating on that level of paranoia simply isn't productive.





If the Accursed believes in his ideals, of a better world than this, then helping people who were fucked over, like the Forebear by his Procession, is perfectly in line with his values. In a better world the Accursed and the Forebear are not enemies.
I mean sure he could completely compromise all our senses and make our entire reality a lie. But, if he did do that there isn't anything we could do about it. So even if he is our enemy it's more useful to assume that our senses and experiences are still valid.

The Accursed is powerful enough that he could make us believe anything he wants. Why would he give us the power of progression only to later take it away? Why knowingly give the Forebear the power to restore himself only to ask him not to at the last minute? Why ask us to give up striving for the Victorious World when we have a chance of measurably helping? If the Accursed is as all-knowing as you claim surely he must have predicted this outcome from the very beginning?

How can we trust someone who can perfectly lie to us without us ever knowing?
 
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