I know that I've still got a marker for Maragas, and if Tower loses then I've got one for Zampano as well, but could bribe anyone to switch to Towers? I'll offer one for one rather than two for one, since that was kind of a mistake, but markers from me are still no-veto, indefinite time-span, transferable to others threads, and can be exchanged for 1k of omake wordcount.
 
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Honestly, fishing is pretty interesting too. It would be nice to finally get some info about what might be happening in the Human Sphere, it might provide the push for us to finally leave the VR.
 
With the lens fishing and tower take about the same time to complete but tower Hunger ends up vastly stronger than fishing Hunger unless the fish that gives Total Eclipse exists outside of gardener.

After taking the Trinity option that lets us buy Defining Advancements piecemeal we're in greater need of picks than ever and Tower seems like by far the best source of them.
 
Thats a good point, depending on how how many encounters we have along the journey we could almost have a defining advancement before we get to the tower.

If we take one of the easier options available when we arrive we could probably finish it and have a pretty big arete-less power boost.
 
[X] The Contest of Ages
[X] Firmament Reinforcement 1/5

Changed my mind. Let's finally get the plot moving! And, we need to learn how to navigate our way through society where we aren't the strongest. All the different people coming for the competition might lead to some interesting encounters too.
 
I know that I've still got a marker for Maragas, and if Tower loses then I've got one for Zampano as well, but could bribe anyone to switch to Towers? I'll offer one for one rather than two for one, since that was kind of a mistake, but markers from me are still no-veto, indefinite time-span, transferable to others threads, and can be exchanged for 1k of omake wordcount.

I'd be willing to take this deal under the condition that, if Towers wins, instead of you giving me a vote marker, you'd be willing to trade me the marker you got from Zampano instead.
 
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I'd be willing to take this deal under the condition that, if Towers wins, instead of you giving me a vote marker, you'd be willing to trade me the marker you got from Zampano instead.
Deal, though I'm not sure why Zampano's marker is more valuable than mine? Though, I haven't looked into our collective voting patterns, so I guess it's possible that I am likely to vote alongside you even without a marker.
 
Deal, though I'm not sure why Zampano's marker is more valuable than mine? Though, I haven't looked into our collective voting patterns, so I guess it's possible that I am likely to vote alongside you even without a marker.

I don't necessarily think it's more valuable than yours, I'm just in debt to him.

[X] The Opalescent Tower
[X] Decimation Lens
 
Attempting a tally...
 
I suppose one possible way to stop ourselves from getting into so many situations with a chance of death is to grow so fast that we outscale our current universe to such a degree that nothing can plausibly kill us anymore...

In that was I guess everyone is a part of not dying gang.
 
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It's a pretty close vote on where to go. But it looks like Decimation Lens is the clear winner of the artifact vote, so why don't we take advantage by going for the more distant target? Lens+Contest only saves us 3 days or so, while Lens+Tower saves us a week or more!
 
It's a pretty close vote on where to go. But it looks like Decimation Lens is the clear winner of the artifact vote, so why don't we take advantage by going for the more distant target? Lens+Contest only saves us 3 days or so, while Lens+Tower saves us a week or more!

While from a percentage standpoint Lens is better with Tower, we still save more on a absolute number of days with Contest + Lens, and I think of a number of people we could make faster as well as safer progress for dealing with Ber by spending more time doing non Huntress moon things.
 
While from a percentage standpoint Lens is better with Tower, we still save more on a absolute number of days with Contest + Lens, and I think of a number of people we could make faster as well as safer progress for dealing with Ber by spending more time doing non Huntress moon things.
I don't know. Hunger has a severe malus to non-Praxis training, IIRC it's basically the inverse of To Shatter Heaven? So the fact that we get, what, a handful of extra days to spend on what we have to assume are not life-threatening challenges are likely to produce much, much less progress than spending that time on a riskier venture like the Tower, and consequently increases our risk when Ber finally shows up.
 
[ ] Triumphal Gleam

*Vastly increases the wielder's innate memetic appeal, but only for those acts he considers positive - his great exploits will shine with adulation unending, while his disappointments and secret shames are buried under a tide of admiration.
*A superb reputation can justify eccentric, even Tyrannical behavior, or at least insulate one from the consequences thereof. Charisma improves your personal presence, but this Advancement helps people know of you beforehand, and ensures your reputation is one you would be proud of.
*Take care that you do not become what you despise. An unlikely prospect for Hunger, but the allure is greater when the consequences of overreach are so easily dispersed.

Would going to Valenheim qualify for the part of Gleam I bolded? or would we be arriving before any word from the Sovereignty could have reached them? Since they are trading partners I assume they would put in the good word for us if they had the chance.

If this is working in our favor, I could imagine us being able to get away with quite a lot of 'eccentric' behaviors like deciding to forgo all their rules and just catching the biggest fish. Especially with 'Inherit the world' backing us up if we kick some judges ass on principle.
 
Would going to Valenheim qualify for the part of Gleam I bolded? or would we be arriving before any word from the Sovereignty could have reached them? Since they are trading partners I assume they would put in the good word for us if they had the chance.

If this is working in our favor, I could imagine us being able to get away with quite a lot of 'eccentric' behaviors like deciding to forgo all their rules and just catching the biggest fish. Especially with 'Inherit the world' backing us up if we kick some judges ass on principle.
We'd be arriving in a matter of days, and that is with the help of a device that is explicitly guiding us there. I suspect we will precede the news.
 
I don't know. Hunger has a severe malus to non-Praxis training, IIRC it's basically the inverse of To Shatter Heaven? So the fact that we get, what, a handful of extra days to spend on what we have to assume are not life-threatening challenges are likely to produce much, much less progress than spending that time on a riskier venture like the Tower, and consequently increases our risk when Ber finally shows up.

I also mentioned safer, and this is presuming that their won't be Errantry challenges for whom finding and completing won't take a much, much shorter amount of time for commensurate like with the mizuki situation. A situation that I might remind people was a non training growth option that was not life threatening, the life threatening part not coming into effect till later when the Rotbeast showed up due to outside factors that we're the immediate consequences of Hunger's actions except in the loosest sense.

But let's assume from a pick and rank increase standpoint you're correct.

All we need to outscale Bearic is getting ADS, and hopefully we can get OaF instead. However, going at more dangerous challenges that take longer to complete is anti-synergestic with our main source of progression for our power, which is the arete we generate in thread and possbly the relative IC time between updates that makes our progression faster in IC terms.

Now, given that the Decimator Lens only helps in locating Huntress Moon targets and it halves the time of both chances, I think it's pretty likely that the longer tasks involves more uneventful time locating and reaching said locations which will result in a timeskip. Now, you could just call this baseless speculation, that maybe will have the same or more amount of updates within a similar timeframe, and I'll leave you to that belief if you do.

However, what is explicit is that dealing with the Tower has a death chance and is way more dangerous then the Contest of Ages. This has been confirmed by Rihaku numerous times. This makes it very likely, based off past behavior, that people will end up spending Arete on non EFB things that set us back from getting the power needed to outscale Ber or to mitigate said danger. Maybe we won't, and we'll only pick the safest options assuming said options aren't still moderate dangerous to Hunger or his companions or innoncent people's lives and gamble by going with areteless picks until we can afford a EFB. Sometimes the thread has done that and it has worked out. More often however, our fellow voters myself included have not done those things, and so I think some suspicion that they won't in this case is more warranted then the opposite in lieu of that.

Edit: The Truth of matter is, the real easiest way to outscale Ber is not get in situations where we want to spend Arete or result in a lot of timeskips.
 
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Another bit of mitigation if we ended up in Valenheim:

If our Tyrant triggers us for violence, we're actually becoming experts at dealing damage without outright murder. We have been training quite effectively at powering ourselves down to manageable levels and employing the dreaded Finger of Repentance.

As damaging as this would be to the 'mortal' receiving the blows, from an outside perspective it would probably look like we barely touched the guy and they should get over it.

Just depends on how violent we get, but if we manage to reign it in somewhat I think the penitent would work really well with this.

It may be worth Hunger 'attacking' before they actually proc our tyrant if Hunger can see where the conversation is going. If he shuts it down before he loses his cool then he retains way more control over the situation, even if he looks like a tyrant.
 
You could also temporarily imprison people in Edeldross if they're sufficiently weaker than you! Though Hunger might just prefer breaking their legs...

You know, sometimes I almost feel sorry for the people who the Tyrant put in charge of dealing with Hunger during his guerrilla campaign. Hypothetical survivors must still have nightmares about this guy, even if the world at large thinks the execution worked, which they might not.
 
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You know, sometimes I almost feel sorry for the people who the Tyrant put in charge of dealing with Hunger during his guerrilla campaign. Hypothetical survivors must still have nightmares about this guy, even if the world at large things the execution worked, which they might not have.
Is it petty for me to want to go back sometime in the future, or send someone on our behalf? Every time I re-read the OP I start wanting to depose the nobility again.
 
Is it petty for me to want to go back sometime in the future, or send someone on our behalf? Every time I re-read the OP I start wanting to depose the nobility again.

Petty? Nah, especially given Hunger's are likely a lot more then just vengeance, anymore then his only motivation would be freedom if we picked combat. At the end of the day the guy still acts like a Hero, especially recently, and almost certainly still believes in human rights even if he's exceptionally pragmatic about it.
 
With travel time reduction stomping guess I'll switch.

[X] The Opalescent Tower

We're probably around 9/23 Arete right now, so depending on how many updates travel takes we could potentially end up buying OaF before hitting the Tower proper, greatly reducing the risk.
 
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