my vote is for ida being a disaster bisexual
A Little Vice (Trans Magical Girl fic)
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Script Mak3r
(Verified Sun God) (Verified Feathers)
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- Hell of Blazing Fires
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- She/Her
So many options! Still though, I think we can all agree: If she's a magical girl, she can't be entirely straight.
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- Denmark
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- She/Her
Incredibly good update, well worth staying up to read. Ida is such a silly little ace, Chiro and Inessa are such great squabbling sisters, Temperance needs to pin Chiro against a wall and kiss her so hard she loses all the breath she needs for these mental gymnastics.
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- Earth
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- He/Him
I was about to make a joke about how hard it is to find a straight girl in this series, but then you fixate on the token straight. Good eye.
Oh come on. If anything, that's aromantic.
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Eeeehl it is an entirely reasonable read for sure, but to my understanding comphet absolutely can result in a similar dynamic, where you know You Are Supposed To Go Out With A Boy but then you blue-screen because you have no idea what happens next in the social script. When you're running off social obligation and perceptions rather than actual desire, things are going to lean toward purely practical rather than romantic imo.
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- United Kingdom
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- She/Her
Could be either, honestly?
My point is more regarding the distinction between how she treats "the new girl" and how she treats "her boyfriends" honestly? She makes time to hang out with one of them and it isn't the one she is allegedly interested in dating!
But I mean yeah, she could also be aromantic or asexual - I think she might be ace and a lesbian, personally.
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- The Great Beyond
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- He/She/They
Not to disagree with the reading, but obviously at least the 'official' answer for why Ida is doing this is because she's a workaholic.
That is, she's almost certainly hanging out with Chiro because she and Innessa have come to the conclusion that Chiro is a potential Saint candidate, and so especially since they have a new enemy and Innessa's powers are on the fritz, she's determined to do everything in her power to stack the deck more in team good's favor, which of course includes getting more team members if they can.
(Temperance may or may not agree on the saint candidate aspect but also both her perception and Chiro's reaction to any such attempts will inevitably be shaped by them both knowing that Chiro is C and Temperance knows that fact, and of course Innessa being in a funk prevents her from putting even like, half as much effort as Ida is because she's too much worrying about her relationship to C and her loss of powers and etc to focus all that hard on The Mission, not that she'd be likely to be as diligent as Ida for obvious reasons even without those distractions.)
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- SV's Only Complete Persona Quest
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- She/Her
Temperance: "EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE!" ~
Though I guess she'd be called Patience now, assuming she got out.
Temperance being quite calm yet having been a Wrath candidate, along with Avaritia being greedy yet charitable at the same time with wanting to spoil eir friends, does nicely reinforce the theme of respective Sins and Virtues being flipsides rather than strict opposites.
Speaking of Avaritia, I've been rewatching Cardcaptor Sakura, and now I'm wondering whether Ruby Moon was an inspiration for Avaritia, with their similar upbeat yet devious personalities and both being non-binary yet taking a feminine human disguise? Avaritia doesn't really have a Toya counterpart though, let alone any Yue counterpart, which is likely for the better
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- Colorado
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- She/Her
I feel like Chiro won't be able to sustain envy much longer... This chapter really shows how bad the cracks are getting. Deep down she doesn't WANT to hurt others. She's too kind for it to work long term, and some of that kindness is starting to rub off on her treatment of herself.
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She wouldn't have quit as Ira, definitely not anywhere near as quickly or as easily and there's a pretty decent chance she'd have either won a lot more or flipped Inessa and/or Ida.
Honestly things would have just been a lot worse for everyone.
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- SV's Only Complete Persona Quest
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Not sure if Temperance said whether she'd still be a Shark if she took Wrath. It'd be interesting if she was still Shark, as it'd confirm a sin's animal is based on the individual rather than the sin itself.
I found an old drawing that also linked animals with sin (on their wiki page), going Pride=Peacock, Sloth=Snail, Envy=Snake, Lust=Goat, Gluttony=Pig, Greed=Toad (and not Wolf as per Mammon) and Wrath=Lion. While none of the others correspond to any animal used here, Lion would fit Wrath here due to the carnivore motif.
I was also surprised to learn that Lust is traditionally seen as the least of the seven sins (as opposed to Pride being the worst), as I'd assumed that was Sloth. Think the logic is because it's a sin of the flesh whereas the other sins are more spiritual. I can see it tying in with Lust being but the first on the malevolent circles in the Divine Comedy, and how a few anime and games that have sins-themed villains usually have Lust being dealt with first (FMA*, Hitman Reborn, Persona 5 and Strikers).
It makes me wonder if Luxuria Fox had already been beaten by the Saints before the story started, being their Jadeite or Pisard? A counterargument could be that this would've been mentioned already if so, but a counter-counterargument is it's not like Jadeite and Pisard got mentioned much after their defeats.
*In that case, Lust being the first to permanently die.
I found an old drawing that also linked animals with sin (on their wiki page), going Pride=Peacock, Sloth=Snail, Envy=Snake, Lust=Goat, Gluttony=Pig, Greed=Toad (and not Wolf as per Mammon) and Wrath=Lion. While none of the others correspond to any animal used here, Lion would fit Wrath here due to the carnivore motif.
I was also surprised to learn that Lust is traditionally seen as the least of the seven sins (as opposed to Pride being the worst), as I'd assumed that was Sloth. Think the logic is because it's a sin of the flesh whereas the other sins are more spiritual. I can see it tying in with Lust being but the first on the malevolent circles in the Divine Comedy, and how a few anime and games that have sins-themed villains usually have Lust being dealt with first (FMA*, Hitman Reborn, Persona 5 and Strikers).
It makes me wonder if Luxuria Fox had already been beaten by the Saints before the story started, being their Jadeite or Pisard? A counterargument could be that this would've been mentioned already if so, but a counter-counterargument is it's not like Jadeite and Pisard got mentioned much after their defeats.
*In that case, Lust being the first to permanently die.
Iris-Iven-Ibis
Interested-Idiot-Immortal
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- You know
So do I
Ida/Chiro is an amazing ship as they are both Workaholics who kind of hate themselves and we even have an episode based off their dynamic they make each other healthier at least C does that for Ida
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- Mid-Atlantic
Well, she knows better than anyone that you can flip an Abyssal Beast into joining Team Saint if you play your cards right. She may not think they can flip C/Chiro/Invidia, but then, she probably wouldn't have expected back during her first appearance as Gula Shark that the team would be able to flip her.
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- Earth
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From what Shadell said, C would still be on the good side. Or, well, not in the polycule. Sounds miserable for her.
Worse, Superbia would be happy.
Not impossible, but the law of conservation of detail suggests not. (Also, I'd be surprised that Avaritia didn't mention Luxuria even once when talking about eir and Temperance's history with Superbia.)
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- The Great Beyond
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- He/She/They
Well see I say the 'may or may not' because on the one hand;
Temperance has thought C might be a magical girl candidate before the idea was cool, and on the other hand, the things Ida and Innessa are interpreting as evidence Temperance is likely to instead understand as some mix of Chiro lying to cover for Abyssal Beast things and just Abyssal Beast things, ie;
Ida first drags Chiro to the Saint's table because of her 'feminine intuition', clearly thinking of it as something significant, and, as noted, Ida is a workaholic. Meanwhile, if Temperance had Ida's reasoning explained, she'd likely be entirely aware that an Abyssal Beast would know the same things, so it's not evidence in favor of Chiro The Saint Candidate.
So it's possible either way, since on the one hand she's not likely to think a lot of the things her fellow Saints are latching onto are actual evidence in favor, on the other hand she pushed the idea at literally the earliest opportunity back when C was even more painfully closeted and not going by Chiro.
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Ah, I need to get to work on my omake idea about someone who got fucked over by the magical girl fighting, and discovers a different way to use the Tree's power.
Also, ho boy that was close. If Nia hadn't slipped, this'd be a disaster for everyone.
I'm starting to wonder if there's someone working behind the scenes to help protect people, as those disaster magical girls (and enby) aren't good at it. Maybe Michael.
Chiro already knew of the boyfriends. She just pretended not to so as to protect her cover. And probably have fun social interactions as a girl.
Congratulations Chiro. You achieved basic fucking communication.
Incredible. For once, she is right about something, instead of being in layers of denial to justify her self-loathing.
So Luxuria Fox would be insincere and avoid caring? Maybe someone who plays with people's hearts and uses them?
Or edgelord who thinks cynicism is the height of coolness?
Or a tsundere giggling ojou. Oh, I love this one.
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- Earth
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- He/Him
The exact form her vice would take presumably depends on what pushed her into it.
But I like the idea of Inessa as a giggling tsundere ojou. Just a tsundere ojou would be dull, but breaking the facade every so often?
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That wasn't my point, though? My point was that Chiro didn't have any personal knowledge of them because it had never come up when she was around Ida, so she had had to hear about it all from Inessa evidently, I specify this later on in the post.
(Also people are taking this silly headcanon way too seriously tbh
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DragonGrimoire
Half Dragon, Half Cat, Half Spellbook, All Cute
- Location
- On Your Lap, Sleeping
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- She/Her/Hers
I could see Ida having been into the closeted C, she was certainly the one of the Saints who seems to have been the most against Temperance and to a lesser degree Inessa's unsubtle attempts to crack the egg (or get her to crack herself)
Can't really see her and Chiro working out though.
Can't really see her and Chiro working out though.
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Ah, sorry, must have misread. Thought you meant Chiro only heard of them at all froom Inessa gossiping in that sceneThat wasn't my point, though? My point was that Chiro didn't have any personal knowledge of them because it had never come up when she was around Ida, so she had had to hear about it all from Inessa evidently, I specify this later on in the post.
(Also people are taking this silly headcanon way too seriously tbh
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Oh, just for the record, no big deal. I might not have helped, sometimes I write a little too fast and don't put things as clearly as I'd like ^.^;
TheMagister
Lord Magus
It's always so hard to read C's self delusions and self hatred. Not because it's badly written, but because I want to give her a hug so badly.
Script Mak3r
(Verified Sun God) (Verified Feathers)
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- Hell of Blazing Fires
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- She/Her
I know, right? Plus, I, too, am a trans girl with depression, so if things had gone worse for me, it could very well have been me expressing all that self-loathing.
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C is in many ways literally me until a few months ago when I fully came to terms with my identity, so parts of it absolutely are too real. Chapter 10 was... honestly really, really rough for me, not going to lie. Had to take a break for a bit after that one, though it helped that the tone bounced back afterwards.