A Little Vice (Trans Magical Girl fic)

Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
Anyway, back to ALV. I'm starting to get worried that we've speculated so much on the Wrath Beast that it's gonna be a letdown when they do make their debut. Not due to any weakness in Shadell's writing, of course not, but because that's what tends to happen with mass speculation
True. At the least, we know there's something up about Ira/Patientia as Shadell said. Even if they don't live up to the speculation, we'll learn more about the lore of the tree and the magic, and have a shiny new sort of mess of a person to analyse.
 
I like Kiritsugu a lot in a vacuum and I think his character itself was fine strictly speaking. What gets me is how he (and Iskander) were kinda just used as bludgeons to humiliate Saber, who was never allowed to respond with anything but "my ideals though!"
yeah, specifically his dynamic with Saber pissed me off? Like the idea that someone like the man Kiritsugu was would treat a great hero like her as just a tool instead of a valuable ally and friend. Otherwise I did like his character.



As for Fate/Zero, I once compared it on Leila's Let'sWatch thread to if Tolkien wrote a Narnia fic where Aslan turns out to be the Devil. And I say that as someone who was mostly just bored by the Fate/Stay Night VN.



While how guilty De Rais was is still debated, the common consensus among historians IIRC is that he really was that bad. There was an infamous retrial of him back in 1992 that found him 'not guilty' where nobody involved consulted any actual medievalists, for instance. Not like that stops Zero Caster from being a cartoon version of De Rais, and not just 'cause he's literally a cartoon.



Ah, my bad! My knowledge was out of date in that regard- the history of Western Europe was kind of my weakpoint in terms of research, especially France and the surrounding countries, and European history in general tends to be just...less engaging for me than most other history, at least past the classical era and before the past few centuries. (I'm more interested in culture than history when it comes to medieval Europe, to be frank.)- and pretty much any story of Catholic corruption seems pretty believable to me from what I do know and remember of things :p



As for getting back on track...hmm, we've recieved very little hints about Wrath, but it's firmly my theory that any hypothetical Beast would also have the qualities to embody one of the Virtues.
 
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Found this a couple days ago, just finished it.
As someone who's closest(meaningful) experiences to magical girl shows has so far been ladybug and cat noir, it has been very interesting seeing the tropes of a genre play out when you lack much prior experience with it, thought I do generally have enough of an idea to get the general gist.
On it's own terms, the story is fairly good. Most of the characters are interesting enough, and have their own internal and external struggles in ways that both help the story and make the framing device of it being a show that people could watch believable.
The fury I have for the main character and her idiotic decisions is very well done, you want her to get better but she keeps taking the worst option every time and that we see how she justifies it makes it all the worst.
I'll be waiting for the next chapter, thanks for the story
 
(Not caught up but I am just completely skipping any posts that are actually related to the story ftr. I will probably try my best to get caught up... probably tomorrow, I'm at 8 so it's a bit too much to do in one sitting I think~)

I will say I quite liked Sailor Nothing back in the day and enjoyed what I have read of Nowhere Stars
I loved Sailor Nothing. It was fantastic. Nowhere Stars is now on my reading list.
I think Sailor Nothing is a product of its time, and I admit I've cooled on it quite a bit. It's not bad, I think the writing is in a lot of places strong if you can ignore the kind of 2000-isms (the script stuff- though I definitely think it's more well-incorporated than most fics of its time, and the unnecessary honorifics, for instance)- I think Chapter 8 is honestly one of the best examples of its narration style out there, to be honest. But that said, I think in many ways you can kind of tell it's a 2000s work- the heavy emphasis on unnecessary rape and the threat of rape, for instance, or how completely brazenly Aki's relationship with Himei is in many senses an absolute sidethought that is basically rarely brought up and never thoroughly explored, with her getting no real conclusion or real resolution for her character. In some ways her being gay feels utterly superfluous to the story as a whole. I don't think it's bad by any means, but I suspect if Stefan were writing it today, there were quite a few things he'd at the very least tweak.

Yeah, that's valid. There's a lot to be levelled at Zero and Urobuchi's work as whole, which is really odd for me given how much I enjoyed PMMM and Zero. Like the fact a lot of the female characters don't have any agency or motivation outside of one of the male characters or their actions in Zero.

Honestly the more and more I see Urobuchi's work the more I think Shinbo is a really good influence on him and able to refine him and help curb his excesses, which is why I'm glad he's returning to direct the new Madoka movie. Urobuchi is in many senses just a really weird dude who I think can have good ideas but when it comes to actually depicting those ideas, ends up coming across as at best mixed thematically, at worst completely off-point of what the work should be, especially since his perception of how to write female characters can be charitably described as... confused at times. (Hey there Jing Ke from Lostbelt 3!) Urobuchi has talked before about how Madoka is in many ways a very collaborative work between him and Shinbo- I believe he has said that the ending was actually Shinbo's original idea that the two of them then refined- and from what I hear from a lot of people who work with him, Shinbo just does a really good job at keeping people's impulses at check and helping refine their ideas, especially thematically, which is often where Urobuchi's work tends to fall especially flat.

@Simon_Jester Oh, I was thinking back and I realized you were really shocked and confused at my comment that a "running internal monologue" is a sign of depersonalization (other people probably were too), and I was thinking back and it was an offhand reference I could have put a bit more clearly. Like, it's not your typical running monologue where you're just kind of casually thinking about everything in your life, no no no. It's like... essentially your brain castigating you for every thing you do, literally all the time. And if it can't think of anything you're doing at the moment is wrong, it finds something from the past to criticize you for and it just is an endless loop. It kind of makes sense- when your brain can't quite like, process what it is that is making it so anxious and upset all the time, it just kind of assumes that you must be doing something wrong that it is trying to warn against, and so when the anxiety doesn't stop, the natural conclusion to relevant parts of the brain is just that you are always doing something wrong.

I also do want to emphasize that this inherently isn't a trans thing- depersonalization (and depersonalization-derealization disorder, which is generally what it's called when you have these symptoms long-term outside a panic attack or etc) is a not-uncommon response to trauma or chronic stress generally, but it's a psychological response that is especially common among trans people.
 
And yeah, the Seeds seem to be like... there's definitely influence there (we've already seen aspects of that, it's clear there's somehting going on there), but I think it might be better to say that it's more... removing the filter on the dumb, dark thoughts you have that you know are unreasonable. Taking those thoughts that you never acknowledge, removing the filter, and overclocking them.
That's definitely not the only thing that's going on there.
"I'm not going to do that. It's," I hesitated, unable to voice how off that felt and suddenly gripped by a feeling of intense unease, as if the winds that kept my fragile soul inflated was about to scour away this new face, "I need to sit down."

"It's okay," Lupin pulled me to one of many chairs in the changing room, "you shouldn't go against your sin like that you know, but it'll pass soon."

"So," I managed, struggling to distract myself from the horrible scouring sensation, "because I felt envy of you, but I wasn't willing to let it reign and imitate…"

I'd known, intellectually, that it could happen, but there was horror in seeing how easy it would be to lose everything I'd traded my life for.

"Probably," Lupin admitted awkwardly, "Sorry about that."
It's entirely possible that the seed is only unleashing and drawing focus to existing thoughts, but it also punishes you for not following them. It encourages you to ignore any thoughts that might go against the dark thoughts it likes.

Merely unleashing all of someone's leashed feelings would be in line with the ideology that Avaritia believes in and Superbia talks about. This? Not so much.
 
That's definitely not the only thing that's going on there.

It's entirely possible that the seed is only unleashing and drawing focus to existing thoughts, but it also punishes you for not following them. It encourages you to ignore any thoughts that might go against the dark thoughts it likes.

Merely unleashing all of someone's leashed feelings would be in line with the ideology that Avaritia believes in and Superbia talks about. This? Not so much.
Oh yeah, I thought all that stuff went without saying. Like, that was the point at which it became obvious the seeds are absolutely imposing their own desires.

And to be fair, I don't think it would count anyway, because it's still not all them, it's hijacking real feelings and tying it to what the seed wants to do, not just releasing them.
 
It's interesting that the seeds don't seem to encourage those thoughts or punish any actual expression of them; they seem to punish the instinct to clamp down on yourself instead.
 
@Simon_Jester Oh, I was thinking back and I realized you were really shocked and confused at my comment that a "running internal monologue" is a sign of depersonalization (other people probably were too), and I was thinking back and it was an offhand reference I could have put a bit more clearly. Like, it's not your typical running monologue where you're just kind of casually thinking about everything in your life, no no no. It's like... essentially your brain castigating you for every thing you do, literally all the time. And if it can't think of anything you're doing at the moment is wrong, it finds something from the past to criticize you for and it just is an endless loop. It kind of makes sense- when your brain can't quite like, process what it is that is making it so anxious and upset all the time, it just kind of assumes that you must be doing something wrong that it is trying to warn against, and so when the anxiety doesn't stop, the natural conclusion to relevant parts of the brain is just that you are always doing something wrong.

I also do want to emphasize that this inherently isn't a trans thing- depersonalization (and depersonalization-derealization disorder, which is generally what it's called when you have these symptoms long-term outside a panic attack or etc) is a not-uncommon response to trauma or chronic stress generally, but it's a psychological response that is especially common among trans people.
Ah, yeah. I think I may (this was a while ago) have been taken aback because I didn't realize that you were talking about "constant stream of self-attacking negative feedback from one's inner mental life" as opposed to just "having feedback from one's inner mental life."
 
So, apparently in the past Lust had associations with luxury and extravagance. So I'm imagining Luxuria Fox trying to look like an ojou style character.
Every fight with Saint Humanitas ends with her running away, holding her dress in her hands while her tail covers her mouth and she laughs.
 
So, apparently in the past Lust had associations with luxury and extravagance. So I'm imagining Luxuria Fox trying to look like an ojou style character.
Every fight with Saint Humanitas ends with her running away, holding her dress in her hands while her tail covers her mouth and she laughs.
I don't think poor Inessa could pull it off. But God would it be beautiful to see her try.
 
I feel like she'd be the one to have one of her resinners be a luxury car dealer, from which we might have gotten a mecha episode.
 
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Relevant to the car-dealer Resinner:
Someone once said to me that all three genres (mecha especially super robot mecha, magical girl, and sentai) all loosely share the same high-level premise:

"One or more heroes, typically a group and often a group of superficially unlikely heroes, battle some antagonistic threat. They remain physically ordinary and vulnerable, and fight the antagonists using the phenomenal powers of an idealized superhuman body, typically provided to them by some mysterious or miraculous outside force."
 
So, about Ida. I wonder if she'll hate Chiro. They had like, only a few rapport moments. Inessa until now seems utterly believing of Chiro, while Temperance can sympathize. Ida, on the other hand, could feel angry and betrayed. And so we'd have someone who condemns Chiro like she wants to be, but not for all those things she thought made her awful and thus unworthy of being a Saint or being their friend. Chiro thought her friends were being too nice and in denial, but then comes someone who actually hates her. This could shake up her beliefs.
 
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Or it could send her spiraling into a new frenzy of self-loathing now that she has someone to validate her beliefs. Which she actively seeks out, because it feels right to her. It's like self-harm, but using ex-friends instead of razor blades.
 
I wish magical girl series set up their stock transformation animation files in a way that let them composite notable background elements into the animation. Especially when those background elements are things like irritated villains.
 
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