Misread that. It was Meso who was backed Town, not 1K. Meso is neutral for me so that point is moot. Either way, I am throwing in with the N-E crowd due to the other factors mentioned.
It's 3.5 hours until lynch, and I just woke up.
Cyric^3 has 4 votes on them, Ban has 3. My vote on Cyric^3 was always tentative, hinging on further examination. I don't want to create a tie this late, so if I'm changing vote I'm changing to Ban.
I now have to choose which of them I want dead.
It is not hopeless but it's bad. Happerry was one of ours and YES I AM TICKED ABOUT BOTH MESO AND NICTIS PARTICIPATING IN THAT LYNCH. If Meso was not mechanically confirmed I would have lynched them today.
I switched to Happerry because I didn't want to lynch Absum because I believed (rightly it turns out) that they were the doctor. No one else had the votes to be the target and I believe switching to anyone else would have left us in a tie at that point. My vote switch came after waking up about 20 minutes from EoD and catching up on the posts made while I slept in which Absum made a good claim and defended it well.
I don't think correctly judging Absum's roleclaim and swapping a very low post townie for the doctor was a bad call. It'd have been better if we'd lynched scum, but that wasn't on the table.
I am really torn between ban and @Cyricubed. I am going to go with @BanTheFairyKing . Nothing personal, but the pool of potential targets is down to you two at the moment unless the next two hours are absotively buck wild and Cyric has done a better job intimating reasons not to lynch. I'm willing to have my mind changed still.
Do you have a stronger argument for someone else? Seriously, I'd love to have a strong arguments for somebody.
At this point, I think most of us are down to "who do you have the weakest townread on" rather than any active scum reads. (Which implies scum have been playing very well. Congratulations. Please stand up and give yourselves a hand. Don't be shy.)
I'm gonna second Mesonoxian here, I've no clue for who could be scum. Everyone seems to give me null or slight town reads, with the notable exception of ComiTurtle, for whom I cannot decide is suspicious or very town. I hate this feeling, of not having anything to actually contribute with, the only thing it seems I can do at this moment is parrot someone else and say, "yeah, that's pretty much my thoughts about it". I'm gonna hold off on voting for the moment. Gonna have to think of who to give it to.
This whole thing is still rubbing me wrong. I know a bunch of folks have said this is just how -Rosen plays, but it still seems sketchy as all get out. And I have to go with my gut.
I agree this is bad, because it's more or less A: Allowing scum to set up mislynches once they die off this logic, or B: Is simply poisoning the well for who we should pursue for lynches.
So problematically I'm torn between Rosen and TD because both hold ground...thus I have to conceede...that TD lives with some newbie protection I suppose...
[X] Lynch -Rosen
My reasoning aligns with nictis for a fair bit so I'm not gonna echo things. Okay...back to work.
@TurtleDucks parting question: Why did you vote me for voting absum? That is not a good look...not to mention it took outside prodding for that bit too.
Honestly, I'm mostly against the contradictions. That's the only thing that's sunk into my head.
Also Reasons, but the Reasons are actually just... only a reason to vote him in the absence of anything more substantial.
Doing it like this means that you vote for whatever Evenstar votes for. If you want to lynch someone, you need to have lynch before the name.
Like this.
[X] Lynch -Rosen
It's the lynch that I agree with most of the ones currently up, so I might as well.
Ugh. On one hand, yeah, I'm not sold on the lynch. On the other hand, I do see Nictis' arguments and I do think he's more likely town than not - and he makes a very perceptive town. Furthermore, general strategy or not Rosen has gone out of their way to make a lot of noise and seem scummy. Courtesy ping to @-Rosen , I'll be on for another half an hour if you are going to try and convince me to switch.
Those who remained on the vote at days end were:
Mesonoxian, Evenstar, Nictis, DimensionalGuy, QTeseract and InterstellarHobo.
My first thought was "Mesonoxian stayed on since the joke vote?", but that isn't the case. I did the search by Ctrl+f looking for Lynch and ignoring Nulls. However, this was the vote that counted for Mesonoxian.
Well, I'm still awake. But, it's basically the same arguments you were making before, and I at least just can't see any of the evidence you're citing as important.
I feel like it's important to vote according to expressed beliefs, to give concrete backing to stated motivations.
But, fundamentally, there's nobody I think has even a fifty fifty of being scum.
I do think [X] Evenstar
has been too cagy about their motivations. I still think it's more likely the early lynches were shoddy pressure tactics, and this recent silence is definitely the call of IRL, but... I believe it's better odds than anyone else.
I'll rethink this in the morning if I wake up in time, and possibly regret it in the morning if I don't, but at the moment
Gotta vote for someone, and I'm not feeling Nani. While I dislike how Evenstar revealed information, they do still feel town to me, at least for the moment...
Est pretty much addressed my issues immediately so...
Hum. I'd normally go for Ban or 1K off that tally, but I'll wait for Ban to actually participate tomorrow like they said they would. And I'd just feel bad going on 1K, especially with no one actually posting reasons for them.
Absum's claim really is rather off, but at the same time, their actions don't feel sus to me. Kinda like a Nega-Evenstar.
Gah, this isn't about pressuring anymore but finding an acceptable vote.
[X] Lynch Look to the Left
Inactivity votes are there for when there's nothing better. We're at that for the second day in a row, which is not a particularly good spot to be in, if I'm being honest. Still, it's the only thing I can think of. Got way too many people with no data points in my notes even this late. Should push tomorrow. Should. We'll see if I can actually work up the energy.
I'm kinda scratching my head at this one. I don't really get what you're trying to say about Nani/Evenstar with the second point, the first one was (probably) a joke, and the third you don't find relevant anymore because the reasons are good?
I thought I had already explained this? You knew enough about the setup to know concept, but not enough to know who the VIP was. You acted like you were the VIP, and were tied to the guard. It's an interesting mix of knowing some but not enough. It was the kind of perspective that I could only expect from scum or a protector, and with your act of Turtle being specifically tied to you and Turtle's interjection of you seeming Town, you had to be scum. Probably.
It's an interesting play, and I don't like how many loops I have to think through to figure it out, but yeah.
UGH FUCK IT'S 4 AM.
Est's justification is unconvincing, and not bad enough to justify a last minute swap to them. Neither Ban nor Est gets a lynch.
The thing I thought would implicate Nanimani sort of exonerated them instead. A deeper read might get suspicion back up, but as is I've got nothing on them.
Most of Absum's posts are totally inoffensive, defending themselves from Nictis interrogation. I have this memory of seeing an Absum post which really twigged my scumdowsers, but I can't find it and that probably means it never existed. That's the shittiest imaginable rationale for a lynch, so he's out too. For now.
LttL is... really inactive. Actually, holy shit LttL is really inactive. They haven't even voted. Evenevenstar has more to get reads from. I'm moving my disappointing inactivity vote to the other disappointing inactivity vote.
[X] Lynch Look to the Left
For my own convenience, I'll go through people from lowest post count to highest.
QTesseract: Still dead.
Happerry:
"Unfortunate role name, but pretty sure is not scum", Meme vote on TD, tells Est is not in a Quicktopic and mention of notes and callback to their mislynch for standard note taking, acknowledges an issue with activity levels with a slight poke at TD for keeping reasons hidden, lukewarm on Rosen lynch and agrees to look into TD's posts, votes TurtleDucks for evasiveness, sadface. That's not a whole lot of stuff from Day 1. Day 2: Suggests 1K looks into Rosen voters and calls LttL not mentioning them Wine, Day is Quiet, was most concerned by Meso Day 1 for general tone (No previous mentions) says that the inactivity of LttL isn't compelling and questions Eva for reasoning. End of Day 2, LttL is lynched. Start Day 3: Last post with slight but valid shade of Evenstar, thinks Meso unvoted too quickly, eyeroll at ComiTurtle, 'You stopped the ruse too quickly', questions high placement on Eva's Town list, specific Meso post mentioned by Nictis is why suspicion existed, moan about my reveal, questions town reads and mentions that they haven't been very helpful.
[x] Null [x] Lynch Happerry
Not a whole lot to say here, no real content to look at beyond the Meso suspicion that was originally tonal but then had a specific post that was bugging them, and what could be an attempt at distancing from LttL and downplaying the reason to lynch him.
DimensionalGuy:
Responds to Rosen's question (Can confirm that he does tend to be suspicious of me, post feels very honest), explanation and intent to improve inactivity with some good questions and responses to activity in thread, openly mentions that they read a post as a power role claim, twigged by my hinting Day 1 and attempts to get some participation out of LttL, responds to activity poke with activity and reads, votes Rosen. Day 2, Start. Attempts to figure out and explain Nani's vote on him while suggesting that Evenstar keeps power info close to the chest, acknowledges validity of Nani's vote on him and offers to go try to find suspicious activity in Day 1, didn't find anything particularly suspicious but did a full ISO of Est and came up with basically the same result as everyone else, 'sorry not sorry', votes LttL with an explanation for why not some others. Ends the day voting LttL, Day 3 Start. Questions who died, picks out potentially relevant quotes from LttL, Setup Spec on the Assassins and pulling quote from Nani on roleblock flavor, read progressions, (accidental early post) Evenstar suspicion has gone bad, posted early, (Actual post) points out issues in Evenstar's suspicion to the roleblocker and says they will do an ISO of Eva, does the ISO of Evenstar and goes to bed voting her, unvotes Evenstar in response to my reveal, Computer died and decided to give me his vote to use freely.
I'll be honest, on review I'm feeling DG as an even stronger Town read than initially. I really don't understand any of the DG suspicion that's been going around this game.
TurtleDucks/Comi: Blegh, too many posts right now. Already said basically what I have to say about them.
Ban:
Response to Est on thoughts of other players, continued previous, non-answer to Rosen's question, response to questioning of response, responds to Rosen questioning about Evenstar, enjoys both alignments, joke, conversational post on notes, doctor wine jokery, shots fired, explains Wine reference, joke, response to Evenstar's reveal of mason, defends Rosen's pride, responds to questions with non-read of TD and setup spec, explains Town of Salem neutral roles, explains NAI, questioning of the interactions between Nictis and Evenstar with a non-serious vote, reads post in response to Cyricubed, supports gut reaction to vote 1K but agrees with 1K, explains Day 1 courtesy, thoughts on the Rosen wagon. Day 1 End. Day 2, Start. Explains slight town read of Absum to Absum while questioning TD's read, RL got in way of Day End for Ban, QT is dead, votes Evenstar for voting him without well provided reasoning (His interpretation of why feels somewhat good to me, but ultimately meh), bigger response post with justifications for reads, RL is getting in way of activity and not much has changed, prickly response to Absum, is too busy and is stressed for it, pings LttL, ninja joke, explaining ninja joke, readslist of everyone, responds to my question on TD. End Day 2, does not respond to my question beyond that. Day 3, Start. Questions who died, questions Evenstar on LttL lynch comment, claims no notable actions on him N2 and asks about Nictis scum theory from Absum, votes Nictis for Townreading Evenstar and knowing Scum Win Condition, acknowledges potential bias against Eva and for Hobo but maintains vote for apparent setup knowledge, dislikes Comi and Absum wagons but also dislikes Comi's response to Nictis, bigger post with thoughts on a variety of stuffs, unvotes in response to my reveal, will be busy and votes Comi on a mild suspicion because it's the only thing that stands out, irritation at claim of being inactive and a lack of scum reads, scum lean at DG for lacking content that isn't reacting to Eva's vote.
Responsive, moderately active, but it's a lot of the same over and over. It's understandable, but it's not quite enough for a slight Town read on it's own, and the only thing keeping it from a slight scum read is the acknowledgment that his read of DG is tainted, because claiming that DG has not had activity is an interesting point in my eyes. So null to slight scum.
Uhhh let's see. Honestly the only lynch I'm liking is the Happerry one, but Eva's behavior around him made me hesitant. I don't think you're lynching your mason buddy though, so
Ugh. I got distracted. No proper quote evidenced arguments from me.
So my impressions of Cyriccubed:
Most of their interactions with me (and my memories of them) have been in the form of advice, usually of the form "no, you wrong." If we're really reaching this good natured advice could be taken as manipulation. There is no reason to believe this. Other than that I haven't paid them much attention.
Their D1 vote is either getting free town cred, or just voting honestly. NAI.
D2 jumped on the Absum train, before claim. Reasoning not great. Mildly suspect, but nothing compelling.
D3 stayed on the Absum train, basically all day. (Didn't examine this) No additional suspicion on top of D2.
I disagreed with the reads here- I'm quite certain two of these were town, and a third is almost certain. Didn't see other reads cause I got distracted and half-assed this.
Top of that list is Absum, who this day has tried to spin this around to lynching Nictis a few times, especially Early.
Comi, A random 1-shot bulletproof town in a VIP game? Set-up wise I'm thinking something suspicious here.
DG, I'm not really sold on this, this is partially gut partially thinking I should be seeing more but the Even post pre-reveal looks, at least solid, decent.
and finally Interstellar...who am not liking the directions they took in reads and such. Something feels off
So, nothing damning, but nothing exonerating. Cyric is very plausible scum, so I am ok with voting them. Leaving vote in place for now. @Cyricubed , I seriously half assed this. If there's something in particular I should look at, please tell me.
Will rush job examine Ban.
My day 2 reasonings for absum were because of the strange TD and Absum interactions from Day 1, they pinged off on me and since Comi has just subbed in I turned efforts to the other half of my suspicions there.
Also I flat out wasn't here for end of day 2 but I probably wouldn't have jumped onto Lttl for two reasons:
1- Lynch was large enough that inflating it was pointless and if we needed to shift for some reason, dangerous. That thankfully wasn't the case.
2-I prefer info over activity lynch. LttL I believe was busy and was to get more active the following day. I wanted to give them the benefit of that doubt.
The rest I think is pretty fair. I stayed on absum lynch because I was stubborn more than anything in the idea that it was a scum bluff that needed calling.
I was doomsaying on the Absum lynch pretty hard too... none of these lynches are super appealing to me, but I guess that's been the consistent pattern through most of this game. The logic's pretty weak, and I'm genuinely feeling for Ban right now because of that, even though thwy very well might be scum.
Votes: ES,ES, Happery. Triple town. Not a good look, but also not very informative. (No time to justify not informative)
Claim: It's entirely plausible. It's also not very convincing. Kevin the no power message runner is basically the definition of a safe claim.
I think this is wrong almost everywhere it there's a read. Almost, because they townread me, and we don't know about Cyriccubed yet. This was early, so more plausible ot be wrong town.
I know it isn't much, but wanted to at least contribute something
Read List:
mesonoxian - was on the Rosen vote, but seemed there for semi-genuine reasons. Was convinced of a path early by quite honestly bad evidence, and couldn't be swayed.
-Rosen - dead Town.
Look to the Left - mostly absent
Cyricubed - has made some very townie posts, and defended Rosen prior to their death. While at that point the Lynch was nearly locked in and scum could safely do exactly what Cyri did, I read it as a town play.
PyrrosWarrior - has content, I know for a fact they have content, but I can't remember it.
Est - Voting me for as of yet undisclosed reasons, possibly to do with absence and possibly not. Had some good D1 posts.
QTesseract - dead Town
InterstellarHobo - One of my favorites of the game, weirdly enough. Reads very town to me, though I'm not sure I could point to a specific point.
1KBestK - Similar to Pyros where while they have plenty of content, my own inactivity has made me miss a bit of it and left me with a null read
Nanimani - mostly a null, but some of their posts have read slightly scummy to me.
Turtlez - third party seed planting by TD, followed by neutral play by Comi, gives me the impression of Mafia Comi playing catch up.
Nictis - Nictis
Happerry - Happerry
DimensionalGuy - I seem to remember them posting some, and having some good posts, but also being relatively quiet.
BanTheFairyKing - Townie as fuck
Absum - neutral to slight scum read, but this is reminding me quite a bit of their day 1 town Lynch where their behavior was just slightly off and people pounced
Evenstar - my strongest scum read, and even then it's not too strong to be totally honest
This is hastier than the other one. I'm out of time.
Also ok with a Ban lynch. Probably more Ok with a Ban lynch. Leaving my vote as is, since Ban's already leading.
