- Location
- I think somewhere. I might be nowhere though
*Est, not EST. They aren't a time zone after all
A Game of Crowns (Mafia)
- Thread starter LostDeviljho
- Start date
- Mafia
- Location
- Hell
- Pronouns
- She/Her
So don't sweat it @ComiTurtle
Cyricubed
Residant Bird.
- Location
- United States
- Pronouns
- He/Him/Birb
I originally thought you were Even's Neighbor...but ah...obviously not now.
Ahh, no, scumhunt 1st. You can claim much later, still a good chunk of time in the game
I'm just...what? I...wha? Okay.
WHY WOULD YOU REVEAL THERE ARE MORE! EVEN IF...ARURUUUUUUUUGGGHHHHH
*Sips Pepsi*
Okay. Here's how I look at this
Scenario 1-
Nicits/Evenstar is trustworthy.
Scum now have a better target selection, this makes some people suspect.
Top of that list is Absum, who this day has tried to spin this around to lynching Nictis a few times, especially Early.
Comi, A random 1-shot bulletproof town in a VIP game? Set-up wise I'm thinking something suspicious here.
DG, I'm not really sold on this, this is partially gut partially thinking I should be seeing more but the Even post pre-reveal looks, at least solid, decent.
and finally Interstellar...who am not liking the directions they took in reads and such. Something feels off
Scenaro 2-
Nictis: "Hi, my name is Prince Geralt and this is my favorite Kingdom"
Like...if this is a crazy scum gambit bravo...you fooled me. Now this brings me to well...Obviously this means NIctis/Even are scum together and played a galaxy brain level play knowing it would be suicidal for a real VIP to reveal to counter claim this but at the same time make anyone who could push against them look super suspect.
Ugh...I'm going to redive into absum
[X] Lynch Absum
But tomorrow, now i have to do more in-depth set-up spec but I'm pretty sure Roleblocker is scum now. Was on the fence about it but not really anymore. Like...jesus h...
Evenstar
Triple Jump Unlocked
- Location
- Canada
- Pronouns
- She/Her
The following people are 100% town for reasons.
Nictis
Evenstar
Comiturtle
PyrrosWarrior
Mesonoxian
Happerry
1KBestK
Take this list with a grain of salt, obviously - I'm probably wrong about someone on it - but I'm never lynching inside it today.
I make no claims as to the mason membership or non-membership of the people on this list.
Nictis
Evenstar
Comiturtle
PyrrosWarrior
Mesonoxian
Happerry
1KBestK
Take this list with a grain of salt, obviously - I'm probably wrong about someone on it - but I'm never lynching inside it today.
I make no claims as to the mason membership or non-membership of the people on this list.
- Location
- Hell
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Going with an Absum lynch because I don't think they'd be lynching their own doc and I'm so paranoid at this point of someone flipping doc and it being game over. I don't like blindly trusting people like this, and I'm unsure if they're actually scum, but I can know with a decent amount of certainty that they aren't someone we lose by lynching. People have also raised other points against them in the past, and they did push early against nictis... if there's some fault in this logic, holler, but please nobody reveal too much (or anything, if you can help it).
[X] Lynch Absum
[X] Lynch Absum
- Location
- Far Eastern Financial District
What a mess Ive returned to... here I was, wondering how much I could say in a game like this, where information is to be treated like precious diamonds, and then I see claims all over the place...
I agree 100%
I agree 100%
- Location
- Inside my own head
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Uh, it is unclear who protectives should protect now.
If they protect Nictis will it get caught by Even instead and be wasted? If they protect Even will they get killed?
Also, tbh, I don't believe this at all and consider it another fishing attempt and bluff. It's probably a risky move trying to get a flawless win.
If they protect Nictis will it get caught by Even instead and be wasted? If they protect Even will they get killed?
Also, tbh, I don't believe this at all and consider it another fishing attempt and bluff. It's probably a risky move trying to get a flawless win.
- Location
- Inside my own head
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Actually hold the fuck up
Excuse me, what?
- Location
- Far Eastern Financial District
Not sure if this is any help, but for those who missed it the first time, I toneread people
And from what I saw of Nictis, the easy camaraderie he shared with ES made me wonder about the two of them, especially when compared with some of his interactions with others...at least, from a tonereading standpoint
Wont post all of my notes here, but here are some highlights:
*) Whatever rolecard Nanimani pulled, he is NOT cooperating with Nictis
*) Similar to the above, 1K and ES are NOT working together
*) Due to the nature of the Veil, there is a possibility that nobody (with a single exception I can name off the top of my head) has the ability to coordinate via QT, including the maf
*) The Veil supposedly renders us unable to recognize one another, so why did ES claim to be in a neighborhood? Does this have something to do with how friendly he was with Nictis (and viceversa) even as early as D1?
This is just a peek into why I kept Nictis/ES as Neutral, because on one hand I thought they were either townies heavily involved with maintaining the Veil, or mafs with powers that could possibly circumvent or exploit a loophole in the Veil...
If they were really town, it was my responsibility as a fellow townie to not bring too much attention to them, and if they were maf they needed to be taken down yesterday
Thats why Nictis was one of the 4 on my must ISO list during D2, because to me it was imperative that I figure out whether to back him (and ES by association) or to start wailing on him/them
My thoughts on the roleclaim Nictis made can be summarized as the following:
"Well...Sounds plausible, and could explain some things...but I just dont know."
And from what I saw of Nictis, the easy camaraderie he shared with ES made me wonder about the two of them, especially when compared with some of his interactions with others...at least, from a tonereading standpoint
Wont post all of my notes here, but here are some highlights:
*) Whatever rolecard Nanimani pulled, he is NOT cooperating with Nictis
*) Similar to the above, 1K and ES are NOT working together
*) Due to the nature of the Veil, there is a possibility that nobody (with a single exception I can name off the top of my head) has the ability to coordinate via QT, including the maf
*) The Veil supposedly renders us unable to recognize one another, so why did ES claim to be in a neighborhood? Does this have something to do with how friendly he was with Nictis (and viceversa) even as early as D1?
This is just a peek into why I kept Nictis/ES as Neutral, because on one hand I thought they were either townies heavily involved with maintaining the Veil, or mafs with powers that could possibly circumvent or exploit a loophole in the Veil...
If they were really town, it was my responsibility as a fellow townie to not bring too much attention to them, and if they were maf they needed to be taken down yesterday
Thats why Nictis was one of the 4 on my must ISO list during D2, because to me it was imperative that I figure out whether to back him (and ES by association) or to start wailing on him/them
My thoughts on the roleclaim Nictis made can be summarized as the following:
"Well...Sounds plausible, and could explain some things...but I just dont know."
- Location
- Far Eastern Financial District
InterstellarHobo
Cosmic Vagrant
- Location
- No Fixed Planetary System
Hmm. Est. Hm.
Real talk, it's pretty inconclusive. We're going to try to do two reads of this, one where we call everything and it's grandma scum and the other where we're wrong about it's grandma. (How the fuck does the grammar on that work anyways) ((The grandmmar if you will)) (((it's late shut up)))
We're going to try to build two narratives, and see whether they make sense.
Be warned, walls of text ahead. I didn't even analyze any D3 stuff.
Now, since basically anyone could be found scummy under a reading like that, we're going to try again except being charitable.
I'm considering switching from Absum to Est. Gonna look at one more first, and hope there's an actually compelling case for someone.
As an aside, I noticed Nanimani voted Est D1, went to see if there was anything to glean from that.
Also, not gonna update this based on Est's post a couple seconds ago.
Real talk, it's pretty inconclusive. We're going to try to do two reads of this, one where we call everything and it's grandma scum and the other where we're wrong about it's grandma. (How the fuck does the grammar on that work anyways) ((The grandmmar if you will)) (((it's late shut up)))
We're going to try to build two narratives, and see whether they make sense.
Be warned, walls of text ahead. I didn't even analyze any D3 stuff.
Read 1: Est is 100% Scum!
D1, Est begins by asking a great many questions and giving very few answers. Not gonna support this with quotes, I ain't got that kinda time. There's a fair number. Go to page 8 or 9 ish to fact check. Notably, some interrogation of Evenstar re: neighborhood
Then Meso starts suspecting -Rosen, very tentatively. Est starts out by vaguely supporting the Rosen lynch- notably before Nictis had jumped aboard the disaster train.
...except he then immediately reverses that.
My current thoughts after my third reread of the thread:
At this point in the game, Rosen looks like certified USDA approved Mislynch Bait. Meso made some good points, but my personal experience speaking with Rosen was NAI, as it was too short-lived. I'll wait till he comes back for another chat, in the meantime I'll try picking up new lines of questioning.
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If we're dedicated to scum!Est then this could be laying the groundwork to push the mislynch if necessary- or simply opposing the lynch for town cred, while still trying to sow suspicion. Or, well, just opposing the lynch for town cred.
There's a couple more halfhearted defences of -Rosen, setting up for cheap town cred.
When they return, we have this, seeming to argue that -Rosen isn't a mislynch.
Finally, late in the day when it's quite clear that -Rosen will be getting lynched, Est distances himself from the proceedings.
Day 2, Est is lying low. He votes Ban immediately, without providing any more justification than he did last night. He posts the following fairly weak reads. When pressed to justify the Ban vote, he cites the first of these posts. All in all, Est essentially just dodges attention D2. The Ban vote is pretty much doomed from the start, so it's little more indicative than a NULL
D1, Est begins by asking a great many questions and giving very few answers. Not gonna support this with quotes, I ain't got that kinda time. There's a fair number. Go to page 8 or 9 ish to fact check. Notably, some interrogation of Evenstar re: neighborhood
Then Meso starts suspecting -Rosen, very tentatively. Est starts out by vaguely supporting the Rosen lynch- notably before Nictis had jumped aboard the disaster train.
...except he then immediately reverses that.
My current thoughts after my third reread of the thread:
At this point in the game, Rosen looks like certified USDA approved Mislynch Bait. Meso made some good points, but my personal experience speaking with Rosen was NAI, as it was too short-lived. I'll wait till he comes back for another chat, in the meantime I'll try picking up new lines of questioning.
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If we're dedicated to scum!Est then this could be laying the groundwork to push the mislynch if necessary- or simply opposing the lynch for town cred, while still trying to sow suspicion. Or, well, just opposing the lynch for town cred.
There's a couple more halfhearted defences of -Rosen, setting up for cheap town cred.
The following (real time) day, Est mostly postulates about the game setup. Didn't analyze this section too closely, but this quote in particular could easily be fishing for power roles.
Est then goes inactive for a while, citing a death in the family. We won't be so gauche as to analyze that.
When they return, we have this, seeming to argue that -Rosen isn't a mislynch.
Finally, late in the day when it's quite clear that -Rosen will be getting lynched, Est distances himself from the proceedings.
Eventually dropping a doomed-to-fail lynch on Ban.
Day 2, Est is lying low. He votes Ban immediately, without providing any more justification than he did last night. He posts the following fairly weak reads. When pressed to justify the Ban vote, he cites the first of these posts. All in all, Est essentially just dodges attention D2. The Ban vote is pretty much doomed from the start, so it's little more indicative than a NULL
Now, since basically anyone could be found scummy under a reading like that, we're going to try again except being charitable.
Est asks a bunch of questions, but supplies few answers. This is actually somewhat hard to justify as town, but also not super important since we're still basically in meme phase.
Meso posts suspicions of -Rosen. Est presses him on these suspicions. Meso responds. Est concedes that there is a scum explanation for -Rosen
...but he doesn't think it's likely.
My current thoughts after my third reread of the thread:
At this point in the game, Rosen looks like certified USDA approved Mislynch Bait. Meso made some good points, but my personal experience speaking with Rosen was NAI, as it was too short-lived. I'll wait till he comes back for another chat, in the meantime I'll try picking up new lines of questioning.
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Est then proceeds to defend -Rosen, though somewhat halfheartedly.
The following day, Est mostly postulates about the game setup. Didn't analyze this section too closely, but postulating about the game setup is quite possibly just curiousity.
Est then goes inactive for a while, citing a death in the family. We won't be so gauche as to analyze that.
When they return, we have this, some frankly rather good advice about how we should have been arguing against the -Rosen lynch.
Finally, we get a very plausible reason for not joining the -Rosen train.
Day 2, Est doesn't have much to say. He votes Ban immediately, without providing any more justification than he did last night. He posts the following fairly weak reads. When pressed to justify the Ban vote, he cites the first of these posts. All in all, Est essentially just doesn't do much D2.
Meso posts suspicions of -Rosen. Est presses him on these suspicions. Meso responds. Est concedes that there is a scum explanation for -Rosen
...but he doesn't think it's likely.
My current thoughts after my third reread of the thread:
At this point in the game, Rosen looks like certified USDA approved Mislynch Bait. Meso made some good points, but my personal experience speaking with Rosen was NAI, as it was too short-lived. I'll wait till he comes back for another chat, in the meantime I'll try picking up new lines of questioning.
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Est then proceeds to defend -Rosen, though somewhat halfheartedly.
The following day, Est mostly postulates about the game setup. Didn't analyze this section too closely, but postulating about the game setup is quite possibly just curiousity.
Est then goes inactive for a while, citing a death in the family. We won't be so gauche as to analyze that.
When they return, we have this, some frankly rather good advice about how we should have been arguing against the -Rosen lynch.
Finally, we get a very plausible reason for not joining the -Rosen train.
Eventually dropping a doomed-to-fail lynch on Ban.
Day 2, Est doesn't have much to say. He votes Ban immediately, without providing any more justification than he did last night. He posts the following fairly weak reads. When pressed to justify the Ban vote, he cites the first of these posts. All in all, Est essentially just doesn't do much D2.
Honestly, there's a fair amount that's definitely fishing for information. There's a decent amount more that's quite possibly circumspect fishing for information. This alone is making me scumlean.
Also, Est's posting has been very low impact, and they haven't really pressed any argument to speak of.
Day 1 they do argue against the -Rosen lynch, but they are drawn away by commitments for too long to make a difference.
Day 2 their posts are barely above zero-information, and they don't argue for their chosen lynch at all.
The scum-explanation for Est's behavior applies to literally anyone who didn't follow the -Rosen lynch. There's a bit of suspectness in how halfhearted it was, but... that's weak reasoning. Really weak. That chunk can't honestly be considered scum indicative.
Also, Est's posting has been very low impact, and they haven't really pressed any argument to speak of.
Day 1 they do argue against the -Rosen lynch, but they are drawn away by commitments for too long to make a difference.
Day 2 their posts are barely above zero-information, and they don't argue for their chosen lynch at all.
The scum-explanation for Est's behavior applies to literally anyone who didn't follow the -Rosen lynch. There's a bit of suspectness in how halfhearted it was, but... that's weak reasoning. Really weak. That chunk can't honestly be considered scum indicative.
I'm considering switching from Absum to Est. Gonna look at one more first, and hope there's an actually compelling case for someone.
As an aside, I noticed Nanimani voted Est D1, went to see if there was anything to glean from that.
Nope.
Also, not gonna update this based on Est's post a couple seconds ago.
InterstellarHobo
Cosmic Vagrant
- Location
- No Fixed Planetary System
I have way too goddamn many tabs open to this thread right now. We'll be back after a long break.
- Location
- Far Eastern Financial District
UGHHHH
Guys, I cant fight it anymore; this is a townpost from Comi...I think that those voting to lynch him might just be wrong
I spent the majority of the game just trying my hardest not to make a mistake instead of just going with my reads the whole way, not sure why...but not this time! If Im right, I get a taste of glory, and if Im wrong Im going to look like a total softhearted and easily influenced moron, but f### it if Im not stepping up and saying something now
Guys, I cant fight it anymore; this is a townpost from Comi...I think that those voting to lynch him might just be wrong
I spent the majority of the game just trying my hardest not to make a mistake instead of just going with my reads the whole way, not sure why...but not this time! If Im right, I get a taste of glory, and if Im wrong Im going to look like a total softhearted and easily influenced moron, but f### it if Im not stepping up and saying something now
- Location
- Far Eastern Financial District
Some time ago I gave Comi a light scumread for posting that giant textwall of his to "look busy" and therefore earn some easy town points, and he responded that yes, he wanted to look busy and he wanted people to react to his notes to generate discussion/content
I left this line of questioning alone, both for future analysis and because I wanted to latch onto something else before I brought it up again
Fast forward to the present...
During an exchange with ES, Comi said the following when questioned about his role:
This answer, combined with everything else, convinces me to lay off Comi during this Day phase
(But rest assured Im still eyeing him for the...whatever it is he tried to do earlier)
I left this line of questioning alone, both for future analysis and because I wanted to latch onto something else before I brought it up again
Fast forward to the present...
During an exchange with ES, Comi said the following when questioned about his role:
This answer, combined with everything else, convinces me to lay off Comi during this Day phase
(But rest assured Im still eyeing him for the...whatever it is he tried to do earlier)
DimensionalGuy
Lazy Bastard
- Location
- Sweden
Uh, well then. I, uh, might've been mistaken about Evenstar, it seems. Nictis has reliably seemed town to me this game (then again, Nictis) and I trust them, so I'm just gonna get this vote off Even. Gonna look for someone else to vote instead. I've been getting a town impression earlier this game from Absum, so I'm gonna have to reread their posts before actually committing to that lynch, and Comiturtle's claims seemed odd to me. Gonna have to check their posts as well. Anyways.
[X] Null Evenstar
[X] Null Evenstar
- Location
- US
- Pronouns
- He/Him
... dang.
I have to rethink everything.
[X] Null
I have to rethink everything.
[X] Null
InterstellarHobo
Cosmic Vagrant
- Location
- No Fixed Planetary System
I ended up not having the time/energy to do a second big inspection, so what I'm going to do is Null for now.
[X] Null
I'm gonna post a "happy to lynch/willing to lynch/willing to vote to save" list, so that my vote is predictable. I don't expect the list to change, but if there's compelling arguments maybe it will.
Hopefully, by the time I check tonight, someone will have something that makes one of these people a more compelling lynch than the others.
This list is made under the assumption that Nictis + Evenstar roleclaim is true.
Happy to lynch- I think they scummy, but on poor evidence. Will vote for one of these four in absence of tactical considerations.
Est (see iso)
BanTheFairyKing (Vague sense of disquiet. Would have been next on my examine list)
DimensionGuy (Too quiet)
Happerry (Too quiet)
Willing to lynch- will lynch one to save someone. Will not otherwise lynch barring new and compelling evidence.
PyrrosWarrior (too quiet, but not that quiet.)
mesonoxian (Bad D1 lynch, some odd poking about)
Absum (interactions re Nanimani)
Willing to let die- I think they are town, but am not willing to stake my vote on that belief. Will not lynch them to save someone.
1KBestK
Cyricubed
Willing to lynch to save:
ComiTurtle- believe the roleclaim (faking that would take some real 4d chess)
Nictis- by assumptions
Evenstar- by assumptions
InterstellarHobo- because dying isn't fun
[X] Null
I'm gonna post a "happy to lynch/willing to lynch/willing to vote to save" list, so that my vote is predictable. I don't expect the list to change, but if there's compelling arguments maybe it will.
Hopefully, by the time I check tonight, someone will have something that makes one of these people a more compelling lynch than the others.
This list is made under the assumption that Nictis + Evenstar roleclaim is true.
Happy to lynch- I think they scummy, but on poor evidence. Will vote for one of these four in absence of tactical considerations.
Est (see iso)
BanTheFairyKing (Vague sense of disquiet. Would have been next on my examine list)
DimensionGuy (Too quiet)
Happerry (Too quiet)
Willing to lynch- will lynch one to save someone. Will not otherwise lynch barring new and compelling evidence.
PyrrosWarrior (too quiet, but not that quiet.)
mesonoxian (Bad D1 lynch, some odd poking about)
Absum (interactions re Nanimani)
Willing to let die- I think they are town, but am not willing to stake my vote on that belief. Will not lynch them to save someone.
1KBestK
Cyricubed
Willing to lynch to save:
ComiTurtle- believe the roleclaim (faking that would take some real 4d chess)
Nictis- by assumptions
Evenstar- by assumptions
InterstellarHobo- because dying isn't fun
InterstellarHobo
Cosmic Vagrant
- Location
- No Fixed Planetary System
where new evidence includes old evidence that I haven't seen or forgot about