0th Law
The Promethean Rose
- Location
- 5 Minutes into the Future
- Pronouns
- They/Them
I don't think Souren Araya's primary motivation was to destroy the root.
A Finely Honed Blade [Worm/Kara no Kyoukai | Garden of Sinners]
- Location
- Vietnam
Nope but what about harnessing the true wisdom, like if you need to kill a god, you need to become one yourself. All of details about evading CF is similar to Big C evading Endbringer and Zion defense mechanism.
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Highwind
To Rise From The Ashes
- Location
- Brazil
PtV: Calculating Path... Path Acquired. Path destroyed. Calculating path... Path Acquired. Path Destroyed. Calculating Path...
Taylor: I have no idea why these dots keep appearing near that woman, but they kinda piss me off so Imma gonna keep stabbing them.
Meanwhile, Contessa is desperately trying to run away from the crazy, angry-looking girl following her around making stabbing motions and internally panicking at her power failing now of all times.
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kamenhero25
The Masked Writer
- Location
- United States
Actually... isn't the PtV very, very similar to Mitsuru Kamekura's Precognition abilities? And didn't Shiki permanently kill his powers when she destroyed one of his futures?
earthboy
(verified ape)
- Location
- NYC
- Pronouns
- He/Him
IIRC that guy's power calculates one singular, absolute future, which he can't help but follow.
Contessa's power calculates -- so they're similar in that they both calculate -- but it's not absolute or singular, since she can ignore or delay her own actions, which force a re-calculation. She can also pose what-if scenarios ("why not both?") and see a path that would accomplish multiple goals, then ignore that path.
IIRC that guy can't ignore a future.
No clue if this is relevant to the fic, though.
Highwind
To Rise From The Ashes
- Location
- Brazil
Hell if I know, normal, non-crossover Nasuverse concepts give me headaches, so trying to wrap my head around the mechanics of how those concepts interact with Space Whale Magic just give me migraines. I just wanted to make a joke.
The17thImmortal
Seeker of Sanity
I always thought of how PtV works, as the same way that you cheat on a CYOA book: pick the ending you want, then flip through all pages of the book in order to find the sequence of choices you need in order to get to that ending.
Academic Guardian
Just an old man with a hobby
- Location
- Somewhere in the twisting Kaleidoscope
The reason why Shiki can't kill the future is that the future is not set and intangible and not real, dead until the present make it live. She was able to cut the prediction because they made the future set. By making the future set in stone, it then became real, alive.
And once its alive, it can be killed.
While the process is different the end result is the same. PtV determines a future, a determine future can be killed.
And once its alive, it can be killed.
While the process is different the end result is the same. PtV determines a future, a determine future can be killed.
Highwind
To Rise From The Ashes
- Location
- Brazil
The way I see it, PtV doesn't make the future set in stone like that, but it does calculate a Path to that future and the moment Contessa decides en that Path and essentially goes on autopilot to complete it, that particular path to that future is set in stone, meaning Talor can kill the Path. The future that was at the end of that Path can still happen, it still theoretically exists, but that particular path to it no longer does.
And thus, PtV stays in a loop endlessly calculating alternative Paths while Contessa desperately flees the weird girl that is following her and making stabbing gestures in her general direction.
Rogue Gemini
Wanderer without a Twin
- Location
- Here
Hell, if anything, it is also possible that if she could be properly convinced to help reduce the number of steps in a path. That way, there wouldn't be a need to continuously recalculate to maintain a certain number of steps to complete a path. Kind of like using Vista's power to just shorten the gap from the starting point to the goal.
if that were indeed possible.
if that were indeed possible.
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
- Location
- Lickwidget
- Pronouns
- She/Her
We have no idea. No reason she couldn't though.
E: Granted, given Shiki can trigger lines with her finger, albeit breaking said finger, I think Shiki could easily do it with a bo staff or something so it wouldn't surprise me if Taylor could to.
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Not certain it works that way. PtV as I understand it works on the same principle where if you throw a rock with this velocity and this trajectory, it'll land there. Basically lots of math to achieve an outcome based on a set of actions rather than locking a future and then following up with the action.
At that juncture, if you can cut that, you're destroying causality and divided by zero. Congratulations, you crashed the Universe.
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- Location
- Vietnam
Bro, canon KnK Shiki did cut a possible future away so yeah the Universe did crash regularly over there.
From what I understand of it, what she cut away was a future that was set in stone by his power. His power literally made the future come true. It didn't tell him how to get there. It said "this will happen" and it did.
What PtV does is tell you how to get from A to B by taking X,Y,Z, steps. It is a strictly deterministic process that in no way alters the future to be before it happens.
Cutting away that means silly things like "Cutting the history of the JFK bullet" and suddenly history is retroactively undone. Or cutting the fact that you drank a glass of water so now you're thirsty again. Or that your parents boinked and now you never existed.
Usually when people pull shenanigans like that, time unravels or the universe is running on Exalted metaphysics.
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LancerisDead
Definitely not a cat
- Location
- Buenos Aires
It's actually a lot simpler than that.
The reason Shiki can't normally interact with the future is that in her view the future is formless; in other words, it doesn't "exist"and she can't "kill" what hasn't form.
It doesn't matter how you are imposing that future on the world. You are setting it in stone and making it a reality, thus cementing and giving the future a form she can interact with and kill.
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Which is stupid because if you throw a stone and she cuts the future where the stone landed then suddenly you never threw a stone to begin with or you now have a flying anti-gravity rock.
This isn't cutting a thing. This is redacting history so that the future never happened. Except unlike all other forms of time shenanigans, you aren't preventing something from happening by acting on it, you're just ripping out chunks of the future and hoping the universe doesn't implode on your stupid ass.
And if that somehow works? All tension in the story, voop, GONE. Mom dead? Cut cut cut. Never died. Friends a bitch? Slash slash slash, she never was. People acting against you? Slice, slice, slice, purely their imagination.
Congratulations, she now has an even stupider version of all fiction.
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- Pronouns
- It/They
Nah power needs something to have form.
The past doesn't exist in anything but memory, it can't be destroyed.
The future also normally can't be destroyed.
Except PTV makes a future certain, makes it real.
Therefore that future can be destroyed.
If you can completely disengage the future from the present so the two will never be connected, doing the same to the past is equally doable because you're breaking causality into itty bitty pieces.
Hence my rock throwing example.
Someone throws a rock. It will hit something. Doesn't matter what.
Shiki cuts the future of the rock hitting something.
The rock is not destroyed, only the future of it hitting something.
Thereby, the rock cannot be thrown to begin with.
Shiki has altered the past by killing the future.
And if the past is not altered to reconcile this paradox, you have broken causality and it will continue to remain broken. Enjoy life being a surrealistic painting.
ensou
Magical G̶i̶r̶l̶ Servant Mordred-chan
- Location
- NEW YORK CITY!??
- Pronouns
- She/Her
In a universe that has things like Gáe Bolg and Fragarach, that's really not all that impressive.
Firebird Zoom
Pretty Bird
- Location
- Who knows?
- Pronouns
- She/Her
I have a question. Why would Shiki try to cut the rock's future when she could just cut the rock?
Frozen Flame
Fragment of the Devourer
- Location
- The Darkness Beyond Time
The problem is is that Shiki's powers pretty explicitly don't work like that. Yes she can kill a future, preventing that event from happening at that point, but that doesn't prevent an ending from occurring. After she kills the future where she is killed in Future Paradox the bombs are still set off by the next detonation attempt. Even if she could comprehend the death of that particular future, it wouldn't create a paradox like you say. The rock would just take a different future than the one removed, even if that just means hitting the thing a moment later than it would have. Her power is more of a scalpel than the sledgehammer you're treating it as.
- Pronouns
- It/They
Nasu-Concept hax has been known to fuck causality on a few occasions.
Besides it kills one future, not all possible futures.
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- Location
- Vietnam
Yeah NP is a whole nother level of BS there. Same with Marbles which basically means fuck natural law.
- Location
- Malaysia
He does get the steps needed to actualize said future, hence all the comparisons between it and PtV.