A Finely Honed Blade [Worm/Kara no Kyoukai | Garden of Sinners]

[ensou]

How is her Control/QA manifesting in the story, though? She was triggering, it brought her back/let her live, but what is the difference made by her dual Origin?

She sees things and can cut anything. Jailbroken Faultline, Striker/Trump, and so far within possibility of a Shard.

Mechanically, everything could just be one slightly OP shard, or the void or whatever, so what is the combination achieving? Genuinely interested to know.

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Um. I'm guessing you haven't picked up on all of the strangeness revolving around Taylor's friends and their devotion. Because that's all QA. Her "Control" Origin really just makes her much more comfortable in that role naturally. When Taylor does even better (ABB meeting), QA gives Taylor positive feedback, reinforcing that that is what she should be doing.

We don't really see any explicit influence from the "Control" stuff, primarily because it's supposed to be natural. The original person's alignment for that thing, just turned up to eleven. So here, Taylor is very comfortable and satisfied with being the leader/glue that holds their group together. The only thing that it truly shows is in places like her first fight with Lung (she went from being a scared girl to a resolved fighter in an instant, just by asserting self-control) and her lack of major influence from her other Origin. Whereas Ryougi specifically went out to go a-killing, Taylor hadn't even thought of it. She totally compartmentalized those urges away until they were forced to the surface by circumstance.

I suppose a hint at it, at least, is in Tattletale's first interlude, where without practically any true insight into Taylor's personality, she thinks Taylor might flip and go Black Kaze. But when the twins were kidnapped that didn't happen, and in Context Erasure (the bad end) Taylor restricted herself to only those who directly challenged her and got in her way, and even then she only went for disabling strikes, not insta-kills like with Alabaster. Her two Origins have a way of balancing themselves nicely.

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Interesting to know. I wonder if these information will eventually be inputted into the story, though.

I mean, us here are capable of getting WoG, but those guys in FF probably wouldn't come here.

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It's not particularly vital to the story? Like, I prefer to have my work stand on its own. If I hadn't told you guys any of this, would it have changed anything major about how you view the story?

I'll also fully admit that I'm enjoying keeping the FFN crowd in the dark and not just spilling the beans on everything, because that's going to make the twists and reveals work so much better. You guys will probably just go "oh, yeah, glad that's finally out there, let's watch the aftermath", whereas they are going to be surprised, flip, and likely have an "ooohhhhh, so that's why everything was so weird" moment, which is what I want readers to have.

You all are just much more involved, and the ability to theorize together means that you arrive at conclusions faster as more evidence piles up, where an individual might just brush it off until it suddenly become relevant.

And like, I enjoy discussing mechanics. I like being able to tell you guys things like this, even if they never show up in-story, because however trivial they may be, it adds a little to the understanding you have.

 

[Teiwaz]

Sooner or later more info is going to come out and the public will know about RyogiShiki!Taylor.
I wonder what idiots gonna think Switchblade is the bastard daughter of Jack Slash.
I bet he will the kinda idiot that is a wrangler of empty spaces.
He will say something online then a Goodgirl will see it and ask her Uncle if she can visit her new cousin.
Thanks Greg you ruined everything.
I bet he has some kinda reverse PtV shard that just makes shit worse for everyone on EarthBet.

 

[StreamingViking]

Sooner or later more info is going to come out and the public will know about RyogiShiki!Taylor.
I wonder what idiots gonna think Switchblade is the bastard daughter of Jack Slash.
I bet he will the kinda idiot that is a wrangler of empty spaces.
He will say something online then a Goodgirl will see it and ask her Uncle if she can visit her new cousin.
Thanks Greg you ruined everything.
I bet he has some kinda reverse PtV shard that just makes shit worse for everyone on EarthBet.

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wow the hate for Greg is real. What did he do to you kill your dog or what.

 

[PhDEevee]

I wonder what idiots gonna think Switchblade is the bastard daughter of Jack Slash.

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Jack Slash has Unique Problems

Bonesaw was pouting. This would be less disconcerting if she hadn't decided that bigger was better when it came to pouts and somehow enlarged her lower lip to the approximate size and shape of a banana. Jack sighed.

"What's wrong, Bonesaw?" He asked. Bonesaw scowled - oh, she'd altered her eyebrows too, that was absolutely disgusting.

"You know what you did." Mannequin took the opportunity to look up from the book he was reading on the couch - or at least Jack thought he did, it was hard to tell with someone who had decided to seal himself inside a glorified tuna can for an eternity - and waggled a carefully articulated porcelain finger.

All of this was rather baffling to Jack, who hadn't done anything for at least half an hour, which was at least three times the expected attention span of any of the Nine. Siberian then presented him with a tablet, which it took him a good three minutes to actually be able to use because she kept making the damn thing invincible.

"PHO... New rogue, probably a villain... Switchblade? Brockton Bay... Oh." He contemplated putting his face in his hands, but decided that would be too much an admission of guilt.

"No, I have not been going off and fornicating while the rest of you have been doing recruitments. That would just be tacky. The fact that I haven't nominated anyone in a while is completely coincidental."

For this indignity, he was definitely going to nominate Switchblade. Or would that be considered favouritism?

 

[bissek]

The S9 presents an interesting challenge for Taylor's eyes: can she see the Siberian's death, or does she need to track down Manton to see her death? And if she can see the lines with Siberian, will cutting them kill Manton, Siberian, or just the current instance of Siberian?

 

[Neridity]

The S9 presents an interesting challenge for Taylor's eyes: can she see the Siberian's death, or does she need to track down Manton to see her death? And if she can see the lines with Siberian, will cutting them kill Manton, Siberian, or just the current instance of Siberian?

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afaik Shiki can kill other people through "puppets" they control, I think there was a case where a magus was possesing one of his familiars and died with the familiar after Shiki stabbed it. Or at least something like that.

 

[Aeir/Number III]

afaik Shiki can kill other people through "puppets" they control, I think there was a case where a magus was possesing one of his familiars and died with the familiar after Shiki stabbed it. Or at least something like that.

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If that was the case, it would be because Magi control their familiars via an extension of their souls. Shiki saw his soul in the familiar, and therefore killed it there, thus killing his true body as well.

The Siberian isn't connected on a spiritual level, it's like a remote control drone. Taylor should be able to pop it without too much effort, because it can pop, but a new one will simply be created momentarily unless she kills the 'concept' of the Siberian itself, thus preventing any instance of it from ever existing. She could probably track Manton using it by following his connection - she could see the lines for Bakuda's bomb connections after all. She could also sever that connection... but that would just pop it.

Extension: But killing Manton himself through the Siberian would actually be harder than killing the 'concept of the Siberian.'

Tldr: She can kill the Siberian temporarily with ease, and permanently with much more effort, but not Manton through the Siberian [or his Shard through the Siberian for that matter.]

At least, by my understanding of the Mystic Eyes of Death Perception.

Edit: Tangentially related to the above - the thought of Taylor 'killing' the invincibility the Siberian confers, and then whatever it's protecting, amuses me a great deal.

 

[Mashadarof402]

Wouldn't killing the concept of the Siberian mean that Manton can no longer create her? The memory itself wiped out?

That would mean his next projection might end up being an angrily emoting basketball.

 

[Mega1987]

wow the hate for Greg is real. What did he do to you kill your dog or what.

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does that apply to the real life guy who's name is actually Greg?

 

[Aeir/Number III]

Wouldn't killing the concept of the Siberian mean that Manton can no longer create her? The memory itself wiped out?

That would mean his next projection might end up being an angrily emoting basketball.

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"a new one will simply be created momentarily unless she kills the 'concept' of the Siberian itself"

I would assume the concept of the Siberian encompasses any other form he might project with that Shard. Anything he managed would be useless if he managed it at all. Good point about the memory though.

Edit - To clarify: Killing the concept of the Siberian should unmake everything the Siberian is on a fundamental level. At the very least his power would have to express differently, if it didn't die in the process.

 

[UltimateGrr]

The S9 presents an interesting challenge for Taylor's eyes: can she see the Siberian's death, or does she need to track down Manton to see her death? And if she can see the lines with Siberian, will cutting them kill Manton, Siberian, or just the current instance of Siberian?

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Based on how the Eyes interacted with Oni Lee, I'd hazard that the projection would pop, and Manton would feel like someone just clubbed him in the head with a sledgehammer.

So the big question is how many times can Manton stand to have Sibby pop before he either learns his lesson, falls unconscious, or suffers an aneurism.

 

[Nicholai]

"a new one will simply be created momentarily unless she kills the 'concept' of the Siberian itself"

I would assume the concept of the Siberian encompasses any other form he might project with that Shard. Anything he managed would be useless if he managed it at all. Good point about the memory though.

Edit - To clarify: Killing the concept of the Siberian should unmake everything the Siberian is on a fundamental level. At the very least his power would have to express differently, if it didn't die in the process.

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There's a fun idea - Manton is trying to resummon the Siberian because of course he is. It isn't working because his Shard is on a tech support call waiting for the next available entity. With Eden dead and Scion blowing off work in his depression that Shard is going to be waiting for a very, very long time.

 

[The17thImmortal]

Um. I'm guessing you haven't picked up on all of the strangeness revolving around Taylor's friends and their devotion. Because that's all QA. Her "Control" Origin really just makes her much more comfortable in that role naturally. When Taylor does even better (ABB meeting), QA gives Taylor positive feedback, reinforcing that that is what she should be doing.

We don't really see any explicit influence from the "Control" stuff, primarily because it's supposed to be natural. The original person's alignment for that thing, just turned up to eleven. So here, Taylor is very comfortable and satisfied with being the leader/glue that holds their group together. The only thing that it truly shows is in places like her first fight with Lung (she went from being a scared girl to a resolved fighter in an instant, just by asserting self-control) and her lack of major influence from her other Origin. Whereas Ryougi specifically went out to go a-killing, Taylor hadn't even thought of it. She totally compartmentalized those urges away until they were forced to the surface by circumstance.

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That's what I'm having a bit of trouble understanding, actually: while you say that the only thing QA is actually Mastering is Taylor herself, nonetheless, are Taylor's friends being subjected to what the PRT would think of as a Master effect?

In other words, is Taylor's Origin of "Control" actually altering the way her friends think of her, or is the fanatical devotion that the twins have shown merely the result of Charisma on space-whale steroids?

 

[ManOfManyColors]

Just finished reading it and, you know what?
You've just made my Top 1 KnK fic.
Thanks for your work, ensou!
Now, the Coil's demise is swiftly approaching, and I simply cannot wait, because I know that there is more of the glorious BULLSHIT waiting just round the corner....

Please update soon! Pretty please?
There will be cookies?

 

[ensou]

That's what I'm having a bit of trouble understanding, actually: while you say that the only thing QA is actually Mastering is Taylor herself, nonetheless, are Taylor's friends being subjected to what the PRT would think of as a Master effect?

In other words, is Taylor's Origin of "Control" actually altering the way her friends think of her, or is the fanatical devotion that the twins have shown merely the result of Charisma on space-whale steroids?

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No. Her Origin is not doing anything to anybody else. It's a property of who she is, of her soul, not an ability.

QA is not mastering Taylor. Shard influence is not a Master effect, and she's got less of it than Burnscar and Damsel of Distress do. At this point, it's even less of an influence than she had in the mid-twenties arcs of canon, Sting, Extinction, etc.

Spoiler: QA

From page 2 of this thread:

Taylor has a Master/Thinker power from triggering with QA. The trigger scene basically covers what she triggered with and the thoughts she had that influenced the powers she got. But put plainly, it's "how to win friends and influence people".

It's a result of the feelings of loneliness at the time of her trigger and her regret that she had nobody around her to connect to. She influences the people around her similarly to Glory Girl's aura, granting extremely high sensitivity to other people's feelings, high charisma, the ability to influence another person's emotions and thoughts, and (extending the near-precognition of MEoDP) knowledge of the absolute positioning of people in her immediate vicinity at all times.

Basically, she's a Master 4 (Thinker 3) with just QA, specializing in mental and emotional manipulation, subversion, conditioning, and control. Taylor's comment of "gathering friends" is more literal than she knows

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To expand on that:
Taylor is mastering her friends using QA. She is the ungodly combination of Cherish's detection and emotional manipulation, Jack Slash's Thinker power, and Glory Girl's aura, all working without her even really knowing or being aware of it. Within the 36 foot radius she has, she is constantly influencing the brain chemistry and emotions of those around her, especially those she interacts with and/or focuses on.

The problem is it is subtle as all hell and insidious. To an outside perspective, if you weren't looking for it, it would just appear like people getting along really, really well and becoming friends really fast, which does happen. It also isn't blunt: if someone gets a bad impression of her, she'd have to work harder, be around them longer, to foster a better relationship (see: Brian). In some cases, that's actually not a bad thing, as we saw with Amy, where her mixed initial impression of Taylor ended up pushing her closer.

If the PRT knew about it, they'd label it a Master/Thinker power, yes. However, there's really no way to easily find it, because it's simply messing with everything in a way that doesn't exceed natural possibility or tolerances (unless she's really pushing it) and Taylor could just be very perceptive and in-tune with other people's emotions and thoughts.

 

[Nicholai]

No. Her Origin is not doing anything to anybody else. It's a property of who she is, of her soul, not an ability.

QA is not mastering Taylor. Shard influence is not a Master effect, and she's got less of it than Burnscar and Damsel of Distress do. At this point, it's even less of an influence than she had in the mid-twenties arcs of canon, Sting, Extinction, etc.

Spoiler: QA

From page 2 of this thread:


To expand on that:
Taylor is mastering her friends using QA. She is the ungodly combination of Cherish's detection and emotional manipulation, Jack Slash's Thinker power, and Glory Girl's aura, all working without her even really knowing or being aware of it. Within the 36 foot radius she has, she is constantly influencing the brain chemistry and emotions of those around her, especially those she interacts with and/or focuses on.

The problem is it is subtle as all hell and insidious. To an outside perspective, if you weren't looking for it, it would just appear like people getting along really, really well and becoming friends really fast, which does happen. It also isn't blunt: if someone gets a bad impression of her, she'd have to work harder, be around them longer, to foster a better relationship (see: Brian). In some cases, that's actually not a bad thing, as we saw with Amy, where her mixed initial impression of Taylor ended up pushing her closer.

If the PRT knew about it, they'd label it a Master/Thinker power, yes. However, there's really no way to easily find it, because it's simply messing with everything in a way that doesn't exceed natural possibility or tolerances (unless she's really pushing it) and Taylor could just be very perceptive and in-tune with other people's emotions and thoughts.

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Spoiler: More QA

A fun note - given that they haven't noticed how Jack Slash's power works the odds of them ever noticing QA's "halping" of Taylor is going to be very, very low.[/quote]

 

[BungieONI]

Spoiler: More QA

A fun note - given that they haven't noticed how Jack Slash's power works the odds of them ever noticing QA's "halping" of Taylor is going to be very, very low.

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Spoiler

I still find that lack of them finding out about his little quirk stupid as all hell.

 

[SaltyWaffles]

No. Her Origin is not doing anything to anybody else. It's a property of who she is, of her soul, not an ability.

QA is not mastering Taylor. Shard influence is not a Master effect, and she's got less of it than Burnscar and Damsel of Distress do. At this point, it's even less of an influence than she had in the mid-twenties arcs of canon, Sting, Extinction, etc.

Spoiler: QA

From page 2 of this thread:


To expand on that:
Taylor is mastering her friends using QA. She is the ungodly combination of Cherish's detection and emotional manipulation, Jack Slash's Thinker power, and Glory Girl's aura, all working without her even really knowing or being aware of it. Within the 36 foot radius she has, she is constantly influencing the brain chemistry and emotions of those around her, especially those she interacts with and/or focuses on.

The problem is it is subtle as all hell and insidious. To an outside perspective, if you weren't looking for it, it would just appear like people getting along really, really well and becoming friends really fast, which does happen. It also isn't blunt: if someone gets a bad impression of her, she'd have to work harder, be around them longer, to foster a better relationship (see: Brian). In some cases, that's actually not a bad thing, as we saw with Amy, where her mixed initial impression of Taylor ended up pushing her closer.

If the PRT knew about it, they'd label it a Master/Thinker power, yes. However, there's really no way to easily find it, because it's simply messing with everything in a way that doesn't exceed natural possibility or tolerances (unless she's really pushing it) and Taylor could just be very perceptive and in-tune with other people's emotions and thoughts.

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That's...particularly interesting. To be honest, I wonder how the PRT would handle a case like hers (both a case where she didn't have MEoDP and a case where she did--I'll label these "Case 1" and "Case 2").

Case 1: She's a parahuman, but her power is basically inapplicable to combat. It could be useful for detective work, I suppose. But she's probably best off being trained as a therapist and team leader (not one that enters combat, but one that manages a team, like Piggot). She'd be best at connecting with heroes that are normally really distant from people (or abrasive) and have problems that a good friend could solve/help with. Her Master power is...kind of unique, in that it's hardly a power at all. It's basically like Uber's power applied to social interaction, and since Taylor is a genuinely nice person (and not manipulative), the Master aspect is totally benign. Hell, the PRT would have to luck out to even figure out that she even has a power at all, let alone figure out what it is.

Case 2: Since she has an obvious "power" through her MEoDP, her Master power would be obscured. The PRT might take a long time to even discover it, and it's so subtle that they might not ever be able to conclusively prove that it exists. Still, after a long enough period of seeing her befriend everybody that she spends a lot of time with, they might label her Master 0 for her sheer charisma (but I doubt it, since such a move might antagonize her and wouldn't really serve any purpose, since Taylor's character isn't one to take advantage of her friends). In terms of utility, she'd be very highly valued in specific circumstances. Her ability to hard-counter projections and super-tough drones would be immensely useful, as would her ability to defuse/render tinkertech harmless. But her real value would be against capes/things that seem otherwise unkillable--Siberian, Crawler, Endbringers, etc. I could see her participating in an Endbringer battle where a Trump that can grant another person invincibility, speed, or immunity to certain kinds of damage would empower her, enabling her to try and take out an Endbringer while the Triumvirate keeps the Endbringer pinned or occupied.

 

[bissek]

Which could open a new can of worms if she sees and remarks on a line connecting the Endbringers to Eidolon.

 

[Nicholai]

Which could open a new can of worms if she sees and remarks on a line connecting the Endbringers to Eidolon.

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Yes, but to be absolutely fair, Taylor has the wrong skill-/power-set to be fighting against the Endbringers. Her effective range is "hand to hand combat" which would make her instantly dead (Behemoth), chunky salsa (Leviathan), or a Ziz bomb (Simurgh).

Given that two of those outcomes involve her dying and the third will likely involve lots of people dying*, why would they risk having her at an Endbringer fight?

* - As in "Jack Slash is now envious of her body count" levels of death.

 

[bissek]

I think that in general they take anyone willing to come. But given that you need a decent Brute rating or really high grade armor or buffs to survive entering melee range with Behemoth, and natural or tech derived flight abilities to even try that with Ziz, she'd only be useful against Leviathan. Armsmaster has proven in canon that short range combat against him is at least theoretically possible.

 

[Nicholai]

I think that in general they take anyone willing to come. But given that you need a decent Brute rating or really high grade armor or buffs to survive entering melee range with Behemoth, and natural or tech derived flight abilities to even try that with Ziz, she'd only be useful against Leviathan. Armsmaster has proven in canon that short range combat against him is at least theoretically possible.

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While true, show me how Taylor had demonstrated any of that in the narrative so far.

Last I checked she hasn't.

Can she kill things / people / Tattletale's-brain-by-killing-a-piece-of-looped-time? Sure. Can she survive the first blow one of the Endbringers is going to hit her with? Not really.

 

[linkhyrule5]

Yes, but to be absolutely fair, Taylor has the wrong skill-/power-set to be fighting against the Endbringers. Her effective range is "hand to hand combat" which would make her instantly dead (Behemoth), chunky salsa (Leviathan), or a Ziz bomb (Simurgh).

Given that two of those outcomes involve her dying and the third will likely involve lots of people dying*, why would they risk having her at an Endbringer fight?

* - As in "Jack Slash is now envious of her body count" levels of death.

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Ennhhh....

First, Ziz bombs don't work on her. We've covered this earlier in the thread, but the Eyes kill anything that can be thought of as a living, coherent concept. When the Simurgh sees a future and sets out to put it into action, that future becomes "certain" and therefore "a coherent concept visible in the present", meaning she can kill that. Worse, when she does so, the backlash is liable to cut out the Simurgh's precog, permanently blinding her future sight. If the Simurgh then tried to use her postcog and raw computational power to predict her actions based on prior actions, if she were to do this well enough to be absolutely certain of her victory, that future would again become a vulnerable concept in the present, and the backlash from its death would probably lobotomize the Simurgh. (Mirai Fukuin is, in fact, literally "Ryougi Shiki fights the Path to Victory".) Precog only works on her if you're less than perfect, which itself means there's room for things to go wrong.

Similarly, something like Behemoth's "kill aura" is easily visualized and easily understood. It, too, can be killed, likely in its entirety and definitely one power/energy manipulation shard at a time. Worse, she doesn't take damage from things she's killing while she's passing their knife through them - we see this in Tsukihime. Plus she can throw her knives. So Behemoth is a no-go.

Leviathan is your best bet, if you want to give her a challenge, because the water is a nice solid "thing" that shields its shard for a while. She'll still completely ignore petty things like "inertia" and "weight" - a "dead" wave won't crush her no matter how much water's in it - but the water itself will stick around and it'll be nontrivial to target its shard through the waves. She'll still probably do it eventually but it'll be a fight.

No. Touko Aozaki calls Ryougi Shiki "the natural enemy of the Moonlit World," and she's right. Don't try to take magic (or hypertech) to a fight with the MEoDP. Five guys with sniper rifles and a speedster with a sword is... well tbh probably still screwed, but they're genuinely less screwed then "a primordial planet-eating god" or "an embodied concept embedded in spacetime" or whatever other creative things you might come up with.

EDIT: Regarding reach: in the wise words of Samurai Jack, "she jump good." She jump really damn good. Mover rating good.

Wouldn't killing the concept of the Siberian mean that Manton can no longer create her? The memory itself wiped out?

That would mean his next projection might end up being an angrily emoting basketball.

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And suddenly, we have chibi-Leliel!

(I miss that fic )

 

[October Daye]

Ennhhh....

First, Ziz bombs don't work on her. We've covered this earlier in the thread, but the Eyes kill anything that can be thought of as a living, coherent concept. When the Simurgh sees a future and sets out to put it into action, that future becomes "certain" and therefore "a coherent concept visible in the present", meaning she can kill that. Worse, when she does so, the backlash is liable to cut out the Simurgh's precog, permanently blinding her future sight. If the Simurgh then tried to use her postcog and raw computational power to predict her actions based on prior actions, if she were to do this well enough to be absolutely certain of her victory, that future would again become a vulnerable concept in the present, and the backlash from its death would probably lobotomize the Simurgh. (Mirai Fukuin is, in fact, literally "Ryougi Shiki fights the Path to Victory".) Precog only works on her if you're less than perfect, which itself means there's room for things to go wrong.

Similarly, something like Behemoth's "kill aura" is easily visualized and easily understood. It, too, can be killed, likely in its entirety and definitely one power/energy manipulation shard at a time. Worse, she doesn't take damage from things she's killing while she's passing their knife through them - we see this in Tsukihime. Plus she can throw her knives. So Behemoth is a no-go.

Leviathan is your best bet, if you want to give her a challenge, because the water is a nice solid "thing" that shields its shard for a while. She'll still completely ignore petty things like "inertia" and "weight" - a "dead" wave won't crush her no matter how much water's in it - but the water itself will stick around and it'll be nontrivial to target its shard through the waves. She'll still probably do it eventually but it'll be a fight.

No. Touko Aozaki calls Ryougi Shiki "the natural enemy of the Moonlit World," and she's right. Don't try to take magic (or hypertech) to a fight with the MEoDP. Five guys with sniper rifles and a speedster with a sword is... well tbh probably still screwed, but they're genuinely less screwed then "a primordial planet-eating god" or "an embodied concept embedded in spacetime" or whatever other creative things you might come up with.

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This. This is why the MEoDP, Ryougi version, are so goddamn terrifying. If it exists, it can die, and something only has to be capable of being thought about or acknowledged for even the barest of instants to exist enough for the MEoDP.

 

[Aeir/Number III]

Yes, but to be absolutely fair, Taylor has the wrong skill-/power-set to be fighting against the Endbringers. Her effective range is "hand to hand combat" which would make her instantly dead (Behemoth), chunky salsa (Leviathan)

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I could see her participating in an Endbringer battle where a Trump that can grant another person invincibility, speed, or immunity to certain kinds of damage would empower her, enabling her to try and take out an Endbringerd.

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You did see this, right? It's at the tail end of the post the guy you quoted was responding to. And, funnily enough, such a Trump happens to live in the same city as her. So even without using the mystic eyes to cheese Endbringer attacks, she's capable of participating in Behemoth and Leviathan attacks on her hometown, at the very least.