A Finely Honed Blade [Worm/Kara no Kyoukai | Garden of Sinners]
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Honestly, in my own opinion, Lancer fits Taylor a bit more then Rider does. The description itself fits pretty well.
Lancer (ランサー, Ransā?), Knight of the Lance and Heroic Spirit of the Lance, is one of the Three Knight classes among the seven standard Servant classes summoned for the Holy Grail War. Servants placed within this class, many of which are Heroic Spirits who were knights, are very agile, display excellent close combat skills, show proficiency in hit-and-run tactics that capitalize on range and speed, and are skilled with long-range melee weapons such as spears and lances. The qualifying conditions to be placed within the class are second only to the Saber class, requiring overall excellent attributes and a high agility attribute. Their only particular class ability is Magic Resistance, and although they "tend to be less flashy than the other classes", they display great reliability.
This sounds a lot like how Taylor fought. While she was a ranged fighter by power, by tactics and execution she was almost always somewhere on the front lines, fighting and putting herself at risk, using tactics and strategy to augment her lack of sheer power to out maneuver and strike at her enemies.
But that is just me.
Honestly, Taylor doesn't fit into the Standard Servant Class Designation system at all. For me Lancer is the closest.
So, what about the non-standard Servant classes? Why has everyone forgotten about them?
Ruler, Avenger, Shielder, Saver, and Alter.
All five are non-standard classifications given to Servants that fall outside the normal classification system. There are more, but I won't mention them because they get silly or excessive.
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@chibipoe Sorry, didn't see your post till I had already posted.
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James D. Fawkes
Court Scribe
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*cough* It could be made relevant if someone were to write a crossover omake...
The17thImmortal
Seeker of Sanity
Well, what are you waiting for, man? Get to writing!
James D. Fawkes
Court Scribe
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Nah. I'm saving the Khepri omake for Essence.
Despite the lack of actual magic, I'd put Canon Taylor as a Caster. Territory creation is all about manipulating an area for the user to be at their best. For most Casters, this means workshops set up for their particular style of magecraft, and the various bounded fields to defend them. For Taylor, this would be terrariums full of her favorite bugs in her lair, and bee hives, wasps nests, and countless spiderwebs scattered around her territory, just waiting to be weaponized. Don't get too mired by the 'standards' of a class, Nasu barely sticks to them as is.
If you insist on making her a Rider anyway, at least give her Atlas or her Flight pack in the Noble Phantasms.
As for other classes, Assassin would be the second most likely class for her to be. She'd have pretty high presence concealment, and she'd be far more effective at assassinating masters than straight combat. Both standard traits of the class.
I'd put Berserker at third, focusing on Khepri mode, with a Noble Phantasm allowing her to function while insane similar to Lancelot's ability to maintain his ability with weapons while berserk. Really Khepri wasn't much different from Taylor anyway, fantastic tactical abilities and zero interpersonal skills beyond scaring the shit out of everyone.
Archer would be pretty good, given her bug aiming and her penchant for doing her own thing. Plus she would fit with other archers. Gil has all the things, EMIYA has all the weapons, Taylor has all the bugs, and Khepri has all the people.
Saber could fit if you really, really squint and focus on her tendency to use batons.
Lancer, well, she has appropriate luck to be a lancer. And she used one of Armsies halberds to poke a giant monster once, so she could claim experience with a pole-arm.
If you insist on making her a Rider anyway, at least give her Atlas or her Flight pack in the Noble Phantasms.
As for other classes, Assassin would be the second most likely class for her to be. She'd have pretty high presence concealment, and she'd be far more effective at assassinating masters than straight combat. Both standard traits of the class.
I'd put Berserker at third, focusing on Khepri mode, with a Noble Phantasm allowing her to function while insane similar to Lancelot's ability to maintain his ability with weapons while berserk. Really Khepri wasn't much different from Taylor anyway, fantastic tactical abilities and zero interpersonal skills beyond scaring the shit out of everyone.
Archer would be pretty good, given her bug aiming and her penchant for doing her own thing. Plus she would fit with other archers. Gil has all the things, EMIYA has all the weapons, Taylor has all the bugs, and Khepri has all the people.
Saber could fit if you really, really squint and focus on her tendency to use batons.
Lancer, well, she has appropriate luck to be a lancer. And she used one of Armsies halberds to poke a giant monster once, so she could claim experience with a pole-arm.
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James D. Fawkes
Court Scribe
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Oi vey...
I thought we agreed to stop that there, since it was getting into a derail - again.
I thought we agreed to stop that there, since it was getting into a derail - again.
Vicjer
The One Who Knows Less Than Nothing
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You see, that's the funny thing about Pandora's box; you can't just close it after it's been opened.
Stop: Stop
Generic_Generica
Notice me Senpai~
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stop
Nope.
Thread derail ends now.
If it continues I'm handing out infractions and threadbans. Take this sort of discussion to another thread please.
Thread derail ends now.
If it continues I'm handing out infractions and threadbans. Take this sort of discussion to another thread please.
Question for all.
I was wondering for some time.
But, I think it was implied that the QA shard had shielded Taylor when she was exposed to the Root which is why Taylor did not instantly die.
So what would happen if the shard is removed?
Also, will people eventually find out that the Mystic Eyes of Death Perception is not a power from a shard?
What would be the likely reaction?
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Actually, did the QA shield Taylor from the Root or was it due to Taylor's unique origin that she survived?
I believe that Taylor like Shiki Ryougi has an origin of []. Meaning that Taylor's body like Shiki's body already had the capability of gaining the MEODP thus being in contact with the Root awaken that power?
I was wondering for some time.
But, I think it was implied that the QA shard had shielded Taylor when she was exposed to the Root which is why Taylor did not instantly die.
So what would happen if the shard is removed?
Also, will people eventually find out that the Mystic Eyes of Death Perception is not a power from a shard?
What would be the likely reaction?
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Actually, did the QA shield Taylor from the Root or was it due to Taylor's unique origin that she survived?
I believe that Taylor like Shiki Ryougi has an origin of []. Meaning that Taylor's body like Shiki's body already had the capability of gaining the MEODP thus being in contact with the Root awaken that power?
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Taylor died during the trigger event and went to the Root. All QA did was restart her heart during the trigger event and brought her back.
Except not all of Taylor truly did come back, hence the MEoDP.
Or that's my interruption of events anyway.
Taylor's Origin
ensou
Magical G̶i̶r̶l̶ Servant Mordred-chan
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- NEW YORK CITY!??
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- She/Her
Taylor is very, very special, and very, very lucky. She originally had an origin of "Control" （「制御」）. When she died and went to the Root it was awoken, and by exercising it she was able to keep herself in one piece through sheer strength of will and self-mastery. However, she was still in the Root, and just by being there, her soul was altered irrevocably.
Sever 2.1 said:
As she'd already started to trigger as she died, QA restarted her heart in the process, bringing her back. However, her visit to the Root left its mark, and she now has a dual origin of "Control" and 「 」, rather like Kiritsugu's "Sever" and "Binding"---the difference being that he was born with both of his while Taylor wasn't. It's entirely coincidence that she ended up with QA, but one can't argue that the two of them being so in alignment makes for an extremely intimidating combination.
Unlikely, since Taylor is a parahuman, and they would have no way of knowing if it's that or just her powers being weird, which is much more likely to them. For all they know, her eyes simply can't be nullified for some reason or another. If she didn't have a Gemma and someone found out about it, then questions would start being raised. But she does, so... yeah. Chevalier might get some suspicions, and GU would definitely know something's up, but other than that? Not really.
EDIT: You can see how they tend to exert themselves, Taylor's self-control during her bullying, and canon!Taylor's constant need/gain of control (when a situation gets taken out of her hands, she tends to escalate rapidly; she effectively ended up leader of the Undersiders; her time as a warlord; etc). Taylor here manages to handle the hints and urges she gets much better than Ryougi does, and is inadvertently drifting towards leadership roles even if she makes excuses for not wanting to. It's not a micromanaging sort of control, but more a "control of the situation" and "control of herself" sort of thing. I suppose you could compare it to Accord's need for order, though Taylor's not nearly as compulsive. Her power lends itself to granting her control anyways, which goes a long way towards easing the pressure her origin exerts on her.
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James D. Fawkes
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globalwarmth
ruining the weather.
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queen meets aberration
"what do we have here, Queen administration? what sorcery is this? this fairy should not be able to do this!"
QA: [Imma stab you in the schnoz!]
...
"Screw this. I'm out"
and with chevalier when he looks at Taylor
but with a knife
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Ars Poetica
ULTIMA RATIO NEMO OBLIGATUR
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- He / Him / His
Wait, wait, wait. She has a dual origin of Control and Void, the Queen Administration Shard, and the Mystic Eyes of Death Perception. So not only does she have two incredibly powerful tools, she has a dual origin that lets her use both of those tools simultaneously with far greater efficiency than anyone else who has ever had those tools. Ever.
She's the best user of the QA shard, the best user of the MEODP, and she's got no reason to hold back.
Holy shit. Just... holy shit.
James D. Fawkes
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When @ensou makes an overpowered protagonist, she doesn't just take a slice of pork, she grabs the whole friggin' hog.
ensou
Magical G̶i̶r̶l̶ Servant Mordred-chan
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- NEW YORK CITY!??
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- She/Her
I honestly had her Origin chosen before all of this. Like, before I even thought about what QA's power would be. I basically said to myself "If Taylor Hebert could be boiled down into one thing, a distillation of who she is, what would it be?"
A lot of people would probably say escalation, or her tendency to rise to challenges. However, for me, it was always about control for her, and her canon personality leaned towards that [in social and hierarchical positions] even when her shard probably would have been perfectly happy going in another direction. She had an almost compulsive need for it: when she started getting hints her passenger was influencing her, she took every effort to figure it out. When Alexandria was interrogating her, Taylor had no control over the situation and she was going crazy because of her inability to do anything, and Alexandria kept pushing her until she finally snapped. In the lunchroom, when confronted by Defiant and Dragon, she responded by remaining calm, taking control of what was happening, and manipulating it to her favor.
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BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
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So...
Since Taylor has "Control" are we gonna be seeing any unconscious/uneducated Magecraft like Leo did? Or is her Origin already mainlining crack for her People-dar and Pocket Social Guru powers?
In related news, QA is having a religious experience. Or maybe a "religious experience." Either way, the local Shard population is positively terrified and ducking for cover. Back to you ensou.
...
*Shrug* Yup. That was a thing I just did.
ensou
Magical G̶i̶r̶l̶ Servant Mordred-chan
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- NEW YORK CITY!??
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- She/Her
Her Origin is also not obsession-level, but it's still there. It's really hard to draw the line between QA's influence and rewarding, and her natural disposition and relief of pressure, simply because they're so aligned and having one means that the other is there as well.
It'd be a lot easier to see the influence of her Origin awoken without QA and her band of friends, because there'd be so much more pressure on her and her behavior would seem much more out of line compared to prior to the locker. However, that's not the case, and things have simply ended up meshing very, very well for her.
StatelessGem
Bane of the Iron Lords
Honestly, that's what drew me to this site, and SB. Saw on the author's pages that the fics started here, and one thing led to another.
BOOM. MIGRATION. LIKE A BIRD.
How is her Control/QA manifesting in the story, though? She was triggering, it brought her back/let her live, but what is the difference made by her dual Origin?
She sees things and can cut anything. Jailbroken Faultline, Striker/Trump, and so far within possibility of a Shard.
Mechanically, everything could just be one slightly OP shard, or the void or whatever, so what is the combination achieving? Genuinely interested to know.
She sees things and can cut anything. Jailbroken Faultline, Striker/Trump, and so far within possibility of a Shard.
Mechanically, everything could just be one slightly OP shard, or the void or whatever, so what is the combination achieving? Genuinely interested to know.
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This. I was reading the reviews of this story in FF and in the interlude chapter of Sayaka, people didn't find anything weird about Sayaka's "obsession" with Taylor.