A Finely Honed Blade [Worm/Kara no Kyoukai | Garden of Sinners]
Again, appendicitis, "the state of having a burst appendix," was cured by Ryougi Shiki.
Ryougi's limitations aren't actually all that strict in the first place.
0th Law
The Promethean Rose
- Location
- 5 Minutes into the Future
- Pronouns
- They/Them
After all, she'd just kill any limits she had.
QuietlyObserving
The Railgun That Walks Like a Bear
- Location
- Here.
Even more conceptual is when she cuts a future that is going to occur. Granted, she can only cut it because Mitsuru's ability to see the future actualizes that specific series of events, but that's still "killing an event that will occur." That's basically toeing the line on causality defiance. "It is guaranteed to happen, so I can definitely kill it and prevent it from happening."
Or something like that, anyway. It's always tough, making sense of how Type-Moon bullshit hierarchy works. :lol
- Location
- Malaysia
They are strict enough that she cannot cut or even see lines on a broken telephone pole according to a WoG, since it qualifies as 'dead' to her perception.
I am positive that Fujino's appendix was still in the stage where it was inflamed, and not actually ruptured. Will have to reread that volume to make sure though. That said, even if it already burst she still would not be killing something that has no form, as she will be killing the bacteria from said infection, or the pus released from the appendix, rather than the appendix itself.
She doesn't so much kill 'an event that is going to occur' as she does kill 'something that is forcing an event to occur by eliminating all other possible futures'. There's something floating around about how anything 'precognited' by Mitsuru no longer counts as 'the future', but that is about as uncited as Shiki's ability to kill distance. Regardless, Shiki cannot kill the future predicted by every other precog save for those who use future calculation, no matter how accurate they may be, as she cannot touch the future since it has no form.
That was an offhand example, not something to be taken as absolute. The general concept is valid but I kinda doubt she would actually have much trouble cutting a broken telephone pole into scrap. We can tell, because Fujino's appendix was ruptured - Touko explicitly says as much, that even if she were rushed to a hospital, Asagami Fujino would be certain to die within a few hours due to sepsis. Trying to say she was only killing the bacteria or the pus is nonsense; in the first place, the act of killing "all the bacteria in a human body" by stabbing a point on the skin that isn't even in contact with any of those bacterii (insofar as it even makes sense to say that the edge of a macroscopic knife can be said to be meaningful on the scale of a bacterium) isn't actually any lesser a feat than killing "the state of having a broken appendix", and more importantly, that simply contradicts Shiki's own position on the matter, which is that she killed "Fujino's appendcitis" from the start.
That is not the case. First, I would like to introduce you to this quote regarding curses.Rakkis157 said:
In other words, the act of erasing "the certain destiny of humans", as produced by effects that warp fate such as curses is explicitly within the domain of the Mystic Eyes of Death Perception.
Secondly, the logic espoused by Shiki in that episode is as follows: "normally, the future has no form and thus cannot be killed" -> "if it's certain, then in a sense, it 'already exists' in the present" -> "therefore, a certain future has a form" -> "if it has a form, I can kill it." She is, according to her own narration, explicitly killing "the future that was given form," not "the process by which that future was given form."
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- Location
- Existance
It's hard to kill something that doesn't exist. Contessa lost her path to victory when Eden restricted her shard. All she's got not are various paths to things specified, she can't imagine victory at all.
Mother Nyx
Mother of Elpis
- Location
- The Kei Klub
- Pronouns
- She/Her
No, what? That is not true at all. She can't see Scion and select others on the path. That's it. The path is very much there.
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- Existance
That's the point. That is it. But those, Scion and the Endbringers, are literally the only things she really cares about. Everything else is just incidental details along the way.
She has a path for lots of things, she can set the path to anything else, but something that actually leads to victory is beyond her ability.
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- Australia
Yes but not for any reason you're saying. You have to remember that, in the end, PtV is only a name. It's not the conceptual ability to achieve the idea of 'victory', but rather what is essentially an overpowered weather predictor with a real-life assistance tool built in.
The only thing Eden took away was to force the shard not to account for things sufficiently related to the entities.
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- Existance
This was the quote I was responding to:
It's talking about Taylor being able to kill the (for lack of a better word) creations or effects of a parahuman's powers.
I replied to that, not quibbling over names or how things work.
Mother Nyx
Mother of Elpis
- Location
- The Kei Klub
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Exactly. It's still a Path to Victory, @Franklymydear, just not that victory.
Then you're still wrong, because Taylor's eyes work on anything that exist in a manner of 'if it lives I can kill it'.
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- Location
- oregon, usa
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- He/Him
A telephone pole is not alive, and yet it could 'die' if you hacked it into toothpicks. The Mystic Eyes of Death perception do not so much show how things die as they show how to move an 'object' that currently exists and can cease to do so from that state of currently existing and into the state of not existing. PtV renders the future absolutely certain, as do most precognitive powers. Any future that has been predicted so completely becomes an absolute event, a concrete state of the world, an 'object' that can cease to exist.
Conversely, the way Dinah's power works is likely to keep Taylor from killing the futures Dinah predicts. See, PtV tells you that if you do 'x' specific action, then 'y' specific result will absolutely and unavoidably occur, whereas Dinah's power tells you that if you do 'x' specific action, then 'y' specific result will probably happen.
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- United Kingdom
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- She/Her
Why would she do that, anyway? Contessa is trying to save the world. Kill Contessa's blindspots.
Xexilf
Oblivion Sempiternum Daemonis
Pretty sure it dosent do that, at least to any conceptual degree. She could always be interrupted by blindspots or triggers or things from off planet, and ahe can stop herself at any point. Its really only "if you follow these steps this result will happen with 99.999% certainity". Probably not concrete enough to count as a fixed future.
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- Software
The funny thing is that if Taylor wanted, she could kill the limitations put there by [Thinker].
I suppose Fortuna tried once and failed, and did not try again... now:
"Path to be able to observe Scion and the end bringers with my powers!"
"Step 1 of 1: Ask Taylor Hebert nicely... comment that is needed to save mankind"
Contessa:"WTF!?"
I suppose Fortuna tried once and failed, and did not try again... now:
"Path to be able to observe Scion and the end bringers with my powers!"
"Step 1 of 1: Ask Taylor Hebert nicely... comment that is needed to save mankind"
Contessa:"WTF!?"
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Bomberman's PtV can't have been all that certain either - not in a world with heroic Luck and destiny-warping Curses and similar ridiculous things. None of those things happened to actually be relevant, though, so it counted.
Like, fundamentally, Ryougi vs. PtV has already been done in canon, it's not something we have to speculate about because it was literally the plot of Mirai Fukuin. MEoDP is hax yo.
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- United states
Nothing can ever fix Ryouga's terrible sense of direction. I bet a miracle or divine intervention wouldn't help at all.
The17thImmortal
Seeker of Sanity
What about Taylor killing the terribleness of said sense of direction?
- Location
- United states
Won't matter, he will still get lost. I'm pretty sure getting lost is part of Ryouga's DNA. So i think the only way you can possibly fix his sense of direction is by killing Ryouga.
Dacl73
Hungry Psudodragon
- Location
- Korvosa
I remember a fic that had him Navigate perfectly fine... as long as he was drunk. That was a bad thing, as he was driving a Bus at the time.