A Conjuror's journey

[PieceThruWar]

What's Louise's magicka at? Any potential supply there, or did we blow all that getting us into this whole mess.
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The vote for attacking that poor defenceless moon was something along the lines of 'put everything you've got into it', so she's drained. Any more magicka expenditure is going to be directly harvesting the core energy that makes up her animus.

@PieceThruWar

Just wondering, but will we bring any milk cows with us? And the other interesting creatures?

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You can bring whoever or whatever you want. Gear needs to be held to be summoned and you can only summon three people before needing to drink more milk. Just rember that each bottle reduces your magicka cap once it runs out and doubles the recovery time required.

 

[Barnes]

[X] Open a momentary portal to another world. You can summon the others at your leisure once you escape, though most of the equipment will be lost.
-[X] Explain the plan to Moira, & have her spread the word that all equipment not on anyone's person can't be summoned, and to prepare accordingly.

Can't think of anything clever, just maximize the amount of crap we can bring to the next world and start working on our next goal of eradicating the phoenixes.

 

[TimEd]

[X] Open a momentary portal to another world. You can summon the others at your leisure once you escape, though most of the equipment will be lost.
-[X] Explain the plan to Moira, & have her spread the word that all equipment not on anyone's person can't be summoned, and to prepare accordingly.

 

[Barnes]

Actually, the more I think about it, the more I like @Blueshift's plan. @PieceThruWar, can Raven's portals reach across universes?

 

[PieceThruWar]

Actually, the more I think about it, the more I like @Blueshift's plan. @PieceThruWar, can Raven's portals reach across universes?

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No. Sorry, but I've no reason to suspect that the people of Remnant know of other dimensions for certain and Raven would know if her semblance could do so by her age. With her fear of Salem, she would have taken her tribe and left that world long ago.

Besides, even if she could, she is a trained huntress and has no reason to listen to you. The only ones with even a slight hope of subduing her would be Shino and Hinata, both of which outclass her in speed, but lack aura or a counter to her bullet deflecting reflexes and portal semblance. Louise could use ebonyflesh and fortify speed if she knew it to match her in a swordfight, but Louise is unconscious/injured and also lacks a counter to the portals.

In short, you would all die before forcing Raven to do anything.

 

[Vicjer]

No. Sorry, but I've no reason to suspect that the people of Remnant know of other dimensions for certain and Raven would know if her semblance could do so by her age. With her fear of Salem, she would have taken her tribe and left that world long ago.

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While I agree with the rest of your post, especially the part about summoning Raven being a terrible and fatal idea (and that's coming from the guy who suggested to blow up the moon for shits and giggles), my one nitpick is this part. Raven can only open a portal to people she has an emotional bond with; leaving Remnant would be the hard part for her, not necessarily returning. That said, if you say she can't open portals across dimensions, then that's fine, too. I just find it odd that she'd already know that she can't open dimensional portals since the people she's bonded with have never left Remnant.

 

[Blueshift]

No. Sorry, but I've no reason to suspect that the people of Remnant know of other dimensions for certain and Raven would know if her semblance could do so by her age. With her fear of Salem, she would have taken her tribe and left that world long ago.

Besides, even if she could, she is a trained huntress and has no reason to listen to you. The only ones with even a slight hope of subduing her would be Shino and Hinata, both of which outclass her in speed, but lack aura or a counter to her bullet deflecting reflexes and portal semblance. Louise could use ebonyflesh and fortify speed if she knew it to match her in a swordfight, but Louise is unconscious/injured and also lacks a counter to the portals.

In short, you would all die before forcing Raven to do anything.

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As already mentioned by @Vicjer it's a little weird that she's already know that she can't go across dimensions with her portals given she needs a bond with someone to first make the portal to go to them, but if it's word of QM that she can't then it's probably not worth it as an option (though I do find it odd that pre-shippuden shino and hinata can apparently beat her speed given she's one of the fastest characters in RWBY). I was also really thinking about giving her a deal rather than trying to beat her up (offering her any of the tech we have, access to some of the worm powers we discovered, andy help our magic can give to her tribe, or even just a way off of Remnant and free from Salem for her and her tribe, provided we have a couple weeks to work on it), both because she's far more likely to work with us in that scenario and because she's the strongest character we've seen thus far in the show and trying to fight her would be really dumb.

Ugh, I guess we'll just try to bail and bring as many people with us as we can.

[X] Open a momentary portal to another world. You can summon the others at your leisure once you escape, though most of the equipment will be lost.
-[X] Explain the plan to Moira, & have her spread the word that all equipment not on anyone's person can't be summoned, and to prepare accordingly.

 

[Valor]

Anyone with a semblance of intellect will realize there's a limit to how many we can summon :/

Spreading the word is akin to... Lol. Sabotaging ourselves? Cause mass-panic?

 

[Blueshift]

Anyone with a semblance of intellect will realize there's a limit to how many we can summon :/

Spreading the word is akin to... Lol. Sabotaging ourselves? Cause mass-panic?

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The vast majority of people at the base have seen Cynric save everyone before, so they don't realize why that's going to be a lot tougher here. Also, theoretically we could save them all if the world we end up in has a different enough time flow compared to this one that almost no time passes in Fallout world when we've spent months recovering in the new world. We don't know how likely that is though, so the most important stuff would go on the people we're going to summon first.

I just wish there was something we could do, someone we could summon to protect us and buy us time, but I'm drawing a blank on any of the options we have. We either can't predict when in the timeline we could summon them (making it a gamble), they would be unlikely to work with us even under these conditions, or would be too weak to help us out.

 

[Edifier]

O yeah, knowing a world with a far rapid time flow would solve the whole situation. A year spent there a day spent in fallout. The opposite of dark souls.

Ruby's bound to have a different flow of time. Considering it's not earth and is far more magical.
To wonder if it's slower or faster.

 

[MasterG]

Just finished binging through this quest and I have to say @PieceThruWar this is an insanely awesome quest and I hope that now that I know of it, that I'll be able to participate.

A Question though. I know that some people might be reluctant to use this option, especially because of the betrayal of Alakazam but what about trying to destroy the remnants of the Moon that are following near us instead of just leaving or putting up a shield?

I doubt Louise managed to destroy the whole Moon so we should only be dealing with a few gigantic pieces, something we could deal with if we summon a creature like Rayquaza or if we summon a group of weaker yet equally as useful creatures (while being dimmer) like Regirock (as something akin to a Golem, he should be easily controlled while having massive earth manipulation capabilities which should allow him to block the debris from hitting the normal soil), Gigalith or Onyx.

If that plan isn't good enough then how about making use of the submarine? Granted they don't have a lot of time but if Cynric rushed to it with Clairvoyance and then made use of those nukes that Louise conveniently kept around in order to blow the remnants of the moon into smaller, less world-ending parts. This could work in two parts since going to the submarine would recharge Cynric's magicka supply with the radiated water and nuclear power.

But then again I'm just the new guy, if you guys think these are terrible ideas then I'll vote for leaving and talking to Moira. It just doesn't feel right to abandon Fallout, especially since the MC has yet to come back to Dark Souls and due to that causing us to lose Quelana

I just wish there was something we could do, someone we could summon to protect us and buy us time, but I'm drawing a blank on any of the options we have. We either can't predict when in the timeline we could summon them (making it a gamble), they would be unlikely to work with us even under these conditions, or would be too weak to help us out.

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What about Izayoi Sakamaki (From "Problem Children Are Coming from Another World, Aren't They?")? He's powerful enough to be able to kick all the falling fragments into dust as soon as they appear in range and before they ever hit the ground.
His motivation would be not being crushed by a moon sized rock and he's always been that powerful so the timeline wouldn't be a problem, plus he'd be more useful than any group of characters of characters from RWBY combined

[X] Explain the plan to open a portal to another world to Moira, & have her spread the word that all equipment not on anyone's person can't be summoned, and to prepare accordingly.
-[X] Once that is done, you'll open a momentary portal to another world. You can summon the others at your leisure once you escape, though most of the equipment will be lost.

[X] Summon someone to aid you defend the base/possibly get everyone out of there
- [X] Summon Izayoi Sakamaki
-- [X] Don't try to force him to do anything, coerce him with the fact that if he doesn't do anything he'll die with the impact

[X] While Izayoi works to target the falling debris and everyone in X-Com prepare everything for the evacuation, travel through high-speed levitation toward the submarine and use the reactor/radiated water to power your spells and evacuation efforts

 

[Blueshift]

What about Izayoi Sakamaki (From "Problem Children Are Coming from Another World, Aren't They?")? He's powerful enough to be able to kick all the falling fragments into dust as soon as they appear in range and before they ever hit the ground.
His motivation would be not being crushed by a moon sized rock and he's always been that powerful so the timeline wouldn't be a problem, plus he'd be more useful than any group of characters of characters from RWBY combined

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It's an idea, but we can only use characters the QM knows, so I'm not sure if he knows that series. Izayoi is quite strong, but it's more than just the pieces that will fall on us (and it does seem like at the very least most of the moon was destroyed by Louise), it's the other natural disasters caused by the fall of the moon that he wouldn't be able to deal with as well. He has the same issue I'd have with summoning a guy like Accelerator from a Certain Magical Index. Strong enough to survive (though I'm not sure if we'd have enough mana to summon them), but no real reason to expend their energy protecting us. Unlike someone who would need to set up a defensive ability they can just hop over to somewhere we aren't and watch as our defenses crumble (and we don't really have anything to offer them either).

 

[MasterG]

Unlike someone who would need to set up a defensive ability they can just hop over to somewhere we aren't and watch as our defenses crumble (and we don't really have anything to offer them either).

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What about going for people that aren't powerful enough to survive the impact and result natural disasters but would be powerful enough to be able to completely shield our community from anything that could hit it, be it falling rock or huge waves?

Someone like Brooke Augustine from the Infamous series (which the author should know since he knows about Prototype and the rivalry between those two games is infamous *hehe*) or Cementoss from MHA? They're not very powerful but I don't doubt they could layer enough material to make extremely defendable shields, especially with SpiderVictoria helping with her vomit and Cattleya's transmutation along with Cynric's abilities should he manage to recharge from the sea water

Edit: I went back to the first page and reread the list of possible worlds in order to find ideas of people we could summon to deal with this. What if we tried to summon Link? He should be able to summon those Majora's Mask Giants with his magical bullshit Ocarina and the "Oath to Order" song

 

[Blueshift]

What about going for people that aren't powerful enough to survive the impact and result natural disasters but would be powerful enough to be able to completely shield our community from anything that could hit it, be it falling rock or huge waves?

Someone like Brooke Augustine from the Infamous series (which the author should know since he knows about Prototype and the rivalry between those two games is infamous *hehe*) or Cementoss from MHA? They're not very powerful but I don't doubt they could layer enough material to make extremely defendable shields, especially with SpiderVictoria helping with her vomit and Cattleya's transmutation along with Cynric's abilities should he manage to recharge from the sea water

Edit: I went back to the first page and reread the list of possible worlds in order to find ideas of people we could summon to deal with this. What if we tried to summon Link? He should be able to summon those Majora's Mask Giants with his magical bullshit Ocarina and the "Oath to Order" song

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Brooke is possible, but I wouldn't trust her enough to not backstab us, and I'm not sure Cementoss would be strong enough (his barriers don't hold up to the clash between Todoroki and Midoriya and we'd need at least that, and even if he could rebuild his defenses for the first couple of hours, all quirks have physical limitations, so he'd get worn out soon), though if we brought in 13 as well together they might be enough to protect us.

The mask giants have already been brought up, but they could only hold up the moon so long as it was in one piece, scattered as it is they won't be able to save us.

 

[MasterG]

The mask giants have already been brought up, but they could only hold up the moon so long as it was in one piece, scattered as it is

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Who said anything about them holding it up? I was thinking more of a "back hand it until it crumbles into tiny pieces" approach.

The problem now is just taking care of the moon fragments since those seem to be instrumental in waking up the Fallout Yog-Sothoth. The after effects of a destroyed moon (like monsoons) can be dealt with by us using digger pokemon or magic to go deep underground and create a temporary base deep in the Earth.

That should buy us enough time for Cynric to make use of nuclear power and radiation in order to create a bigger barrier (by also making use of the combined suffering of 80% of the Wasteland's population dying) while working on moving people through a makeshift portal powered by hundreds of soul gems/radiation instead of a sigil stone

 

[PieceThruWar]

As already mentioned by @Vicjer it's a little weird that she's already know that she can't go across dimensions with her portals given she needs a bond with someone to first make the portal to go to them, but if it's word of QM that she can't then it's probably not worth it as an option (though I do find it odd that pre-shippuden shino and hinata can apparently beat her speed given she's one of the fastest characters in RWBY). I was also really thinking about giving her a deal rather than trying to beat her up (offering her any of the tech we have, access to some of the worm powers we discovered, andy help our magic can give to her tribe, or even just a way off of Remnant and free from Salem for her and her tribe, provided we have a couple weeks to work on it), both because she's far more likely to work with us in that scenario and because she's the strongest character we've seen thus far in the show and trying to fight her would be really dumb. Shinobi of their level can still move faster than the untrained eye can see without sufficient range. Raven can deflect bullets, but no only Ruby has been shown to have speed even close to that of a car. Raven's speed is attributed to her portals meaning she can cover any distance in an instant, not her ability to run.

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@Vicjer you make a good point about Raven's semblance. I suppose that could be used in that case.

@MasterG I don't know the problem children one, but I know of infamous at least. I'd need to watch a play through though. As for the MM giants, they won't be much use without a whole moon to catch. There are other powerful entities from LoZ that could help though... If you could convince them.

 

[MasterG]

There are other powerful entities from LoZ that could help though... If you could convince them.

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Could pray to the Three Goddesses instead of the Fallout God? And could we summon her respective dragons?
What about having Link travel back to before Louise destroyed the Moon?

Actually, another question, would it be possible to summon a creature or item capable of reversing time to before Louise blew up the moon? Could we specify a point in time for a specific person, so for example, possibly summoning Harry Potter or Hermione with their Time Turner or Hiro from Heroes?

Edit: Alternatively, since we have so many people around us with weapons and since things can't get that much worse, and since people like the idea of Raven due to her portals, what if we had Cynric summon Hoopa and then use all his mana on working to control it?

It's risky but with enough mana it could work (especially since I doubt Hoopa has better mental fortitude than a dozen phoenixes) plus Hoopa should be able to both portal anywhere in a universe and portal to other universes but confirmation for that needs to come from @PieceThruWar

 

[Blueshift]

Edit: Alternatively, since we have so many people around us with weapons and since things can't get that much worse, and since people like the idea of Raven due to her portals, what if we had Cynric summon Hoopa and then use all his mana on working to control it?

It's risky but with enough mana it could work (especially since I doubt Hoopa has better mental fortitude than a dozen phoenixes) plus Hoopa should be able to both portal anywhere in a universe and portal to other universes

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These aren't bad ideas, but we've been limited to the number of new pokemon we can summon at 3, so any decision on which pokemon we want to use is going to be a big choice that will affect us for the rest of the campaign.

you make a good point about Raven's semblance. I suppose that could be used in that case.

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If she is an option then I guess we can go for it.

[X] Summon someone to aid you defend the base/possibly get everyone out of there
-[X] Summon Raven Branwen
--[X] Convince her to help you by offering just about anything she could want (noting that some things might take more time than others)
--[X] If she can't be convinced let her go peacefully and then prepare to leave through a portal to another world and summon the others to you

 

[Edifier]

If the moon's only partially destroyed than it's going to reform and the fallout's not going to be that bad.
I mean constant metiorshowers and a ring around the earth. That's pretty bad. The earth's gonna get hot from all the rocks burning up in the atmosphere. Probably.

 

[Valor]

C'mon guys. Don't be all that invested in these people! Let them die a terrible death! Cynric is numero uno here! He proved that when he fled Nirn without a smidgen of hesitation. We should totally drop these people, get Louise, Cattleya, Moira and just team up with another organization.

No need to chance Cynric's very important life on a bunch of nobodies!

C'mon. Don't do the moral thing. Do the "survive this" thing. Pragmatism is where it's at! We'll totes learn magic nd' stuff to resurrect these bozos we leave behind in the future... Maybe.

 

[PieceThruWar]

Could pray to the Three Goddesses instead of the Fallout God? And could we summon her respective dragons?
What about having Link travel back to before Louise destroyed the Moon?

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The Goddesses who usually ignore their chosen race and on the one time they directly intervene, it is to flood the world? Those Goddesses? Also, those dragons aren't all that capable, they're mainly just a 'balance of nature' type thing, so if you did summon them somehow, they would be pretty useless... As would Terminal giants, since those guys got killed pretty easily and move really slowly.

As for the Hero of Time, no. His time travel is granted by Hylia, who I have a plan for and is limited to Hyrule/connected dimensions.

Actually, another question, would it be possible to summon a creature or item capable of reversing time to before Louise blew up the moon? Could we specify a point in time for a specific person, so for example, possibly summoning Harry Potter or Hermione with their Time Turner or Hiro from Heroes?

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The vote passed and you'll have to live with it. There is no method of reversing time outside of its native realm that you could gain access to anytime soon. If I just let you guys control time there would be no consequences for this kind of thing.

Alternatively, since we have so many people around us with weapons and since things can't get that much worse, and since people like the idea of Raven due to her portals, what if we had Cynric summon Hoopa and then use all his mana on working to control it?

It's risky but with enough mana it could work (especially since I doubt Hoopa has better mental fortitude than a dozen phoenixes) plus Hoopa should be able to both portal anywhere in a universe and portal to other universes but confirmation for that needs to come from @PieceThruWar

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I don't know what this hoopa is, but I'm guessing its a pokemon.

Edit: I looked it up and the wiki gives no indication on it being able to access other worlds, merely bending dimensions to connect two points of space... That's just making wormholes and I doubt it can use one to divert multi-kilometer wide moon chunks.

 

[Vicjer]

C'mon guys. Don't be all that invested in these people! Let them die a terrible death! Cynric is numero uno here! He proved that when he fled Nirn without a smidgen of hesitation. We should totally drop these people, get Louise, Cattleya, Moira and just team up with another organization.

No need to chance Cynric's very important life on a bunch of nobodies!

C'mon. Don't do the moral thing. Do the "survive this" thing. Pragmatism is where it's at! We'll totes learn magic nd' stuff to resurrect these bozos we leave behind in the future... Maybe.

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The problem is that while Cynric might not be too invested in most of these people, the ones he is invested in are. Louise is invested in Hinata, Vicky (both of them), Amy, Espinoza, maybe others that I'm forgetting. Cattleya is invested in... I'm blanking right now, but I'm sure there are some. Moira is pretty invested in X-Com in general (and SCIENCE in particular). Shen's also pretty invested in X-Com, and then there's his magical robo-daughter who he just went through the trouble of resurrecting.

Then there's the people those people are invested in. Hinata is invested in her team (even if the seeds of doubt have been sown, they're still rather fresh). Vicky, both of them, and Amy are pretty invested in New Wave. Espinoza is probably pretty invested in X-Com in general, and probably Granger in particular (since they seemed to work together in the field often from what I recall). X-Com in general is probably pretty invested in all the refugees of their world, since their job was to protect their world from the aliens, which they failed to do, and these people are all they have left.

While I wouldn't mind leaving a lot of them behind, doing so is definitely a bit of a risk.

The people we definitely have to bring are Louise and Cattleya; there's no real arguing there. Cattleya can probably be satisfied so long as Louise is okay. We might be able to get Louise to accept us not brining anyone, but probably only if we Palpatine it and tell her something along the lines of "it seems, in your anger, you killed them" and try to blind her with guilt (which I admittedly want to do because it sounds hilarious, and this quest is basically built on Louise's suffering at this point).

Bringing along Hinata would either require us to bring along her team, or come up with a reason we were able to save her but not them. I can't really think of a way to swing that, and we've already got some rogue summons trying to kill us, we don't need more. The same kinda goes for Vicky, especially since we brought half of New Wave through the portal right before we'd abandon them to their deaths (and if we actually do bring New Wave along, well, they're pretty much useless, and they'll want us to return them back to Bet, so that's just more work).

Moira... I'm not sure how to swing that one. We'd basically be dragging her away from X-Com and forcing her to start from scratch. I don't even think she'd be that useful without having X-Com to support her. I mean, what equipment would she even manage to salvage? How would she even build new labs without manpower? Same for Shen, who'd be even worse off since he'd also be busy taking care of his daughter (and if we abandoned her, he'd probably just kill himself for having to lose her twice).

Really, the more people we bring, the more we need to bring.



… You know what? Fuck it. I started this off trying to argue against your idea, but I'm actually for it so long as we only bring Louise and Cattleya.

[X] Open a momentary portal to another world. You can summon the others at your leisure once you escape, though most of the equipment will be lost.
-[X] Only save your apprentices. The rest are just more trouble than they're worth at this point.
-[X] There's only two you're actually upset about having to leave behind. Lily might have held insights into a potential form of immortality that you'll no longer have the chance to study, but you suppose you can always try to repeat the process in the future; after all, dying now would be rather counterproductive to the whole "living forever" thing, so there's no sense risking your life over this one project. You'll just have to get another one! Then there's Moira. Oh, so few people can understand you like she could, and even fewer can actually appreciate you after that. Leaving her behind is just… just... ah, who are you kidding, she'd do the same to you in a heartbeat. Truly, a woman after your own heart... admittedly probably so she could study it to learn more about Magicka, but that's just another reason you love respect her greatly.

Really, I just changed my mind because of the Palpatine bit, that thought amused me greatly. Hell, Louise is even horribly disfigured now, she'll make a great Darth Vader to our Palpatine!

 

[MasterG]

Ok then I guess that is that. No point trying to bullshit my way through making everything ok, I should go with the flow and vote for the next best thing

[X] Explain the plan to open a portal to another world to Moira, & have her spread the word that all equipment not on anyone's person can't be summoned, and to prepare accordingly.
-[X] Once that is done, you'll open a momentary portal to another world. You can summon the others at your leisure once you escape, though most of the equipment will be lost.

[X] Summon someone to aid you defend the base/possibly get everyone out of there
-[X] Summon Raven Branwen
--[X] Convince her to help you by offering just about anything she could want (noting that some things might take more time than others)

 

[Edifier]

[X] Open a momentary portal to another world. You can summon the others at your leisure once you escape, though most of the equipment will be lost.
-[X] Only save your apprentices. The rest are just more trouble than they're worth at this point.
-[X] There's only two you're actually upset about having to leave behind. Lily might have held insights into a potential form of immortality that you'll no longer have the chance to study, but you suppose you can always try to repeat the process in the future; after all, dying now would be rather counterproductive to the whole "living forever" thing, so there's no sense risking your life over this one project. You'll just have to get another one! Then there's Moira. Oh, so few people can understand you like she could, and even fewer can actually appreciate you after that. Leaving her behind is just… just... ah, who are you kidding, she'd do the same to you in a heartbeat. Truly, a woman after your own heart... admittedly probably so she could study it to learn more about Magicka, but that's just another reason you love respect her greatly.

Sure is regrettable to lose the base. Meep, I'm sure they'll survive.
What of bringing Lily along? Another little girl to corrupt.

 

[the swarm]

Fucking student more trouble then worth it sometimes