Would you Distort or manifest EGO?


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In regard to Abnormalities, I imagine it is because they do not act human. The issue with AI is explicitely that those who act/think/feel too close to 'actual' humans are forbidden. Abnormalities are not human in nature and thus do not violate any edicts.

Thinking of it that way, if Nothing There ever learned how to human properly, it would actually be in violation of the Head's laws.
 
Some seem pretty human. Freischütz, Little Red, the Magical Girls etc...

Their mindset are at least as human as some Distortions we see, both in Ruina such as Yan and Distortion Detective imo.
 
Human seems to be a broad classification. Normal humans, full conversion machine body cyborgs, Sweepers, Distortions, Bloodfiends are absolutely human.

Abnormalities were a known thing, and counted as human as despite the basically human level cognition nothing was done. Since other branches of L Corp also had them and I am sure the Head knew all about those.

As for why Angela didn't count as human even if they were templated off a human...metaphysics, I guess, somehow?

The Light...collective consciousness also doesn't seem limited to just one world here, as at least Abnormalities can come here, and Lobotomy has stuff to look at.

If there weren't metaphysical compatibility, what would it look at and change when used.

Freischütz entry also says that he traveled to many worlds, and after Black Forest and birds I am ready to just take it at face value in some manner at least even if he was extracted or not, so thats another traveler in my opinion.

This is my point here - if the Collective Сonscious is not even limited to one world, why should it be limited to humanity? Especially when you consider that we can't even give a clear answer to what humanity is. And what is so special about humanity that only it has a Collective Сonscious? In addition, there were plenty of Abnormals that were not of human origin - even those who were completely alien, like the Fragment of the Universe. They were probably just much more difficult to deal with, so we rarely saw them.
 
Though where does the Head's perspective of Abnormalities come from? Zena did say that Distortions are another form of humans. But I don't recall if she ever mentioned anything about Abnormalities.
Since L Corp branches also used Abnormalities and weren't purged despite having human cognition (at least some), they are human.

I didn't reach Zena so can't tell about that, but I don't see why the abnos would actually considered humans, they ARE purged, just only as soon as they get out of the facilities, if anything, I think L-Corp merely use a work around just like you said R-Corp does. And anyway, I am pretty sure the law is about feeling human emotions, given what I remember from Angela and Roland's discussion, if the abnormalities don't feel human emotions (which is possible, since they don't have human psychology), then they can be non human and not lead to purges.
 
I didn't reach Zena so can't tell about that, but I don't see why the abnos would actually considered humans, they ARE purged, just only as soon as they get out of the facilities, if anything, I think L-Corp merely use a work around just like you said R-Corp does. And anyway, I am pretty sure the law is about feeling human emotions, given what I remember from Angela and Roland's discussion, if the abnormalities don't feel human emotions (which is possible, since they don't have human psychology), then they can be non human and not lead to purges.
They do not get purged...Unless I missed something.

In Ending C in the original Lob Corp, the only reason they get purged is that the Head also purged the entire City too. At that point, the Distortions and Abnormalities pose a threat to Head's rule without even intending to so they have to be dealt with.

The abnormalities absolutely do feel human emotions. The Magical Girls are a prime example, but there are others that share such a trait.
 
I didn't reach Zena so can't tell about that, but I don't see why the abnos would actually considered humans, they ARE purged, just only as soon as they get out of the facilities, if anything, I think L-Corp merely use a work around just like you said R-Corp does. And anyway, I am pretty sure the law is about feeling human emotions, given what I remember from Angela and Roland's discussion, if the abnormalities don't feel human emotions (which is possible, since they don't have human psychology), then they can be non human and not lead to purges.
They don't get purged. And in the event they do (like in that one LobCorp ending where everything runs free) thats less to do with their nature than just basically open rebellion against the Head and anarchy.

If a Syndicate or Wing acted like that, they'd also get purged.
 
I take the part about the "Only Humans" rule as just another way for the Head to make sure no one changes the status quo. Things like sentient AI pose a threat to the Rule of the Head, so they are monitored and restricted. For the same reason, some technologies are probably limited. If Angela, for example, would just live as an ordinary person somewhere in Back Alleys, the Head would probably not worry about it. Also, the wording is conveniently vague, and can sometimes be used as a formal excuse for repression, large associations, or even Wings, even if the real reason is something else entirely.
 
The Head's rules are confusing almost by design, and I doubt we'll be able to understand their motives until much later in the series. On the other hand, L Corp made Abnormalities from humans. It doesn't feel like a stretch to imagine that other Abnormalities that existed before were also human at one point. Or maybe it's just that Abnormalities are distinct enough from humans that they aren't a threat to the "sanctity of humanity" or whatever it is the Head is preserving.
 
I mean. I can see why Abno's count as "human" to the Head.
The artificial ones are made exclusively by taking a human, injecting them with Carmen juice and waiting for them to turn into a vending machine with shrimp attendants or whatever.
And the "natural" ones as said by Angela in LobCorp manifest from spots where the River/Well/whatever leaks into the world.
Every single thing about them is made from humans, born of humans and/or otherwise originates from humans directly.

Roland AFAICR said that it matters only if you were born human and the rest the Head couldn't give less of a fuck about.
And under that vein Abno's are just the children of human thought or human Bucket water.
 
BTW I just checked (a wiki) and
a) Yuma's new necklace is literally just the birbs EGO gift.

b) Punishing Birds weapon has no requirements for equipping.

Anyone up to handing Madoka the Beak gun? (A second one through Alkahest's Interpretation skill ofc)
It's just a Teth AND we could reinforce her mental resist beforehand too.
Would let her contribute without needing to wish and I feel X woulf be up for that.
Homura too, seeing as it is a ranged weapon and would keep Madoka far away from any action. (and lessen Madokas feelings of uselessness thus giving us more time before she would wish)

Justifying it with "removing her pressure to be useful, giving her all the time to figure out what she would actually want to wish for" should justify it to anyone else too.
 
1.4.8 - Why Do I Keep Finding Lost Children?
Chapter 50 - Why Do I Keep Finding Lost Children?

Would it really have been too much to ask for a break?

"Hold on, kid. I'm gonna need a bit more explanation than that."

You can actually understand quite a bit from what you're seeing now. The kid hasn't been cared for for some time now, judging by the state of their clothes. They clearly aren't a Magical Girl, lack of a Soul Gem aside she was just shot at and if she were a Magical Girl she'd have transformed by now. That necklace she has is an EGO gift, fortunately for you from a lower-grade Abnormality. Punishing Bird is easily angered but otherwise mostly harmless, and seems like this child is on good terms with it. But even so, being more informed never hurts. You just made one mistake in neglecting to learn about your own situation, you won't repeat that failure again with a child on the line.

"Right, Yuma's name is Yuma, and Mister Bird is a friend! They said they were looking for the Manager, who was somebody really tall with sparkly hair! So you must be that person, and Yuma found you!" the now-named Yuma cheerfully recounts.

You raise an eyebrow. "And where is Mister Bird right now? Leaving a child to wander around the city seems very irresponsible."

For some reason, Yuma looks embarrassed. "Yuma thought it would be faster to split up."

Ah, yep. That's certainly something to be embarrassed about. Honestly, you're more disappointed in Punishing Bird right now. It clearly had some affection for this kid, and while you can't get mad at a ten year old for having a dumb idea you thought the Abnormality would at least be smarter than that. Then again, Punishing Bird did always have a rather childish sense of morality. Maybe it just never matured past that point?

"Well, it hardly matter now. You know why Mister Bird was looking for me?"

If there's any question you want answered, this would be it. Der Frei and Army already hinted at it, but neither actually gave a straight answer. If Punishing Bird is as childish as you're expecting, maybe obfuscation will be beyond it.

"They said they had to find you, but Yuma doesn't actually know why. Maybe Miss Manager could ask them?"

Well, that's about what you expected. Not what you hoped for, but still what you expected. This doesn't seem like a trap, and Punishing Bird shouldn't be a threat to you as long as you don't really screw up.
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"Lead the way, then."

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Yuma gets lost a few times, but eventually manages to spot Punishing Bird flying around overhead. From there, the two of you follow it back to a small clearing where nature has started to reclaim the area. Seems like this district actually was abandoned, not just under-maintained. Patches of grass press their way through the concrete and tangling vines are draped over a chain-link fence. There's even a small tree beginning to sprout from the spot where the ground meets a building's wall. Punishing Bird descends to rest on one of the branches, eyes fixed on you. It's an unassuming critter, a plain white bird of indeterminate species with a small, round body. Even the patch of red feathers on its chest could be mistaken for mere aesthetic traits, were it not for the fact that you know better.

"Hi, Small Bird. I hear you've been taking care of Yuma here?" you begin tentatively. This is going to look really stupid if it can't actually talk. To your relief and surprise, the Abnormality responds.

"Yes. It was the right thing to do. I must ask that you look after her when I am not here."

The voice is clearly that of a young boy's, but something about it is unnaturally smooth and controlled. Punishing Bird's beak does not open, but the red splotch on its chest twitches slightly as it speaks. You try very hard not to think about what would happen if it were more aggressive.

"You're… gonna leave?" Yuma asks, sounding like an abandoned child for the first time since you've met her. Punishing Bird tilts its head towards the green-haired kid.

"Don't worry. The Manager is very good at taking care of people. I'm sure they will keep you safe." And with that, the Abnormality stretches it's tiny wings and readies to dive down.

"Wait!"

Your voice is loud, commanding, but not an Order. You've learned better than that, and you don't expect to be able to give orders to Abnormalities anyways. Punishing Bird halts mid-movement, beady eyes once more fixed on you.

"I want to know why you're here. Others mentioned they were sent?"

Punishing Bird pauses, as if contemplating the answer to your inquiry. Just when you think your get nothing, it once more speaks.

"I'm not sure who asked us to follow you. The other Guardians were told different things than I was, but we were all told that you had found a new place and needed help. They might know more about what's going on."

And with that, Punishing Bird dives towards the ground and vanishes in a burst of glowing white feathers. In his place is a tiny Sapling, shining-

CHANGE/COMEUPPANCE

-between the tree's roots.

What to do about Yuma?
[] Try and find her a home…
-[] With you and Mami
-[] With Homura
-[] Ask around among your kids
-[] With Kyoko
[] Try and enter her into the foster care system
[] Kyubey Hell no, you're not leaving an emotionally vulnerable child with that rat unattended if you can help it


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Der Freischütz's Sapling - Observation Level 1/3
Punishing Bird's Sapling - Observation Level 1/2
This chapter was a bit of a rush job, I hope it's not too apparent.
 
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[X] Try and find her a home…
-[X] With you and Mami

Out of character, obviously Kyoko is a good pick, and this would set her up to change for the better. Out of character nothing Kyoko has done indicates that's even a remotely good idea and X doesn't like her.
Okay, so we can have fulfilled a requirement before have met an Abnormality that needs it, good to know.

But I'm not sure how we're going to find comeuppance.

Edit: Also, it seems at least some Abnormalities will just... sapling when the find us. Because X is supposed to Observe them. At the behest of someone unknown. Great.
"I want to know why you're here. Others mentioned they were sent?"

Punishing Bird pauses, as if contemplating the answer to your inquiry. Just when you think your get nothing, it once more speaks.

"I'm not sure who asked us to follow you. The other Guardians were told different things than I was, but we were all told that you had found a new place and needed help. They might know more about what's going on."
What's a Guardian? I've never heard that term in relation to Project Moon.
Doesn't that mean that her abilities in this case shouldn't work with the local people as well, because they aren't connected to the people of her home world, even if they are similar? In my opinion, X's abilities can be applied to any sentient species. Although this also needs to be explored.
Apparently not, as the link with Humanity is what lead her here in the first place. Humans are humans are humans, it seems.
 
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I have to admit, I am kind of eyeing the Homura option there. She may be maladjusted, but caring for Yuma may help her grow past that. And maybe it could even have her move away from that sole fixation on Madoka. Plus, you know, showing Sayaka and Mami that Homura is not a bad person.

Main risk would be Yuma being neglected, but it is not like she would be left at Homura's place forever without anyone checking.
 
Even the patch of red feathers on its chest could be mistaken for

I think something's missing there.

The Manager is very good at taking care of people.

I think X and HQ's Clerks would beg to differ. :V

The other Guardians were told different things than I was, but we were all told that you had found a new place and needed help. They might know more about what's going on."

Confirmation that the other 2 Birds are also around. Hoo Boi.

Also not sure if that means Apocalypse Bird will not happen, or if that will be a special something or other once we have all 3.


1) Only 2 huh. Guess it is just a TETH.

2) Comeuppance can happen just by punishing someone. Maybe we should have X ride a train and get her to meet the two assholes Sayaka totally didn't murder in canon.
Punching those two in the face should get us Birbs Gun.

This chapter was a bit of a rush job, I hope it's not too apparent.

I found it fine. What happened did feel a bit faster than usual, but not in a way that harmed the chapter I feel.

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Though I do not vote I think taking Yuma with us to Mami would be best.
Kyoko is under fire from invading Megucas and I do not think having Yuma as a squishy target would do either good.
Yuma contracting would then not be an if, but a when.
OTOH Mami having Yuma's Pep Talks on hand when the worse secrets come to light would help us immensely.

And Let's not lie, we totally plan to have Kyoko move in with Mami and X anyways, right.
Having a Yuma would be an extra incentive for her to agree to that.


Also anyone else think we should pick X's brain for potential "mundane" tech's to copyright from her memories of A?
There should be something in there (singular or plural) that should allow X and all her many kids to easily coast by at least in terms of mundane money needs.

But yeah. Thank for the update.
 
I think tweety here means big bird(no not that one on sesame street) and judgement bird by guardians
They are afterall the self appointed guardians of the (now extremely defunct) black forest

Also a thing to wonder, would giving someone a dope slap for being a dummy count as comeuppance
Because we have a very valid target with a certain pink and white creature
 
Why Do I Keep Finding Lost Children?

You know, it's a pity we're not a more murderous abnormality, I could've gone for: "Have you tried not killing their parents?"

Alas, we are more likely to kidnap them than to make them orphan, the tragedy... :V

"Right, Yuma's name is Yuma, and Mister Bird is a friend! They said they were looking for the Manager, who was somebody really tall with sparkly hair! So you must be that person, and Yuma found you!" the now-named Yuma cheerfully recounts.

Wait, how did Little Bird learn about our hairs? It's a pretty recent development....

Then again, Punishing Bird did always have a rather childish sense of morality. Maybe it just never matured past that point?

One word: Birdbrain.

Wait, I'm joking, I'm joking do... *crunch*

This doesn't seem like a trap, and Punishing Bird shouldn't be a threat to you as long as you don't really screw up.

[:V] Attack the Birb

Even the patch of red feathers on its chest could be mistaken for

I think your sentence is

"Yes. It was the right thing to do. I must ask that you look after her when I am not here."

Does it sounds like an helium voice?


Wait, it comes already changed? Huh, interesting.

What's a Guardian? I've never heard that term in relation to Project Moon.

The three birds are the Guardians of the Black Forest.

Ok, let's send her to Homura, I'm sure nothing will go wrong!

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It might actually work, just need a little tweaking, here:

[x] Try and find her a home…
-[x] With Homura
--[x] Be sure to tell her that you will be avalaible to help her if she wants it, and that you are not forcing her, if she tries and don't seems to manage, you won't reproach anything to her as long as she tells you so.
-[x] if she doesn't agree, take her with you and Mami.
 
Sounds as good an idea as any
[x] Try and find her a home…
-[x] With Homura
--[x] Be sure to tell her that you will be available to help her if she wants it, and that you are not forcing her, if she tries and don't seems to manage, you won't reproach anything to her as long as she tells you so.

Aka
[X] Nyarky
 
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Mister Bird noooooo

I really liked the idea of a small child being raised by Punishing Birb. Oh well. Now we have to find her a new home.

[X] Try and find her a home…
-[X] Ask around among your kids


Maybe we can put her in Madoka's house. That seems like the overall best option for Yuma in the long run.

Kids need stability, especially potential Megucas. People like us have a high mortality rate, and nothing is more traumatic than having your guardian either die or be trapped in a fate worse than death.
 
Sounds as good an idea as any
[x] Try and find her a home…
-[x] With Homura
--[x] Be sure to tell her that you will be avalaible to help her if she wants it, and that you are not forcing her, if she tries and don't seems to manage, you won't reproach anything to her as long as she tells you so.
-[x] if she doesn't agree, take her with you and Mami.
[x] Try and find her a home…
-[x] With Homura
--[x] Be sure to tell her that you will be avalaible to help her if she wants it, and that you are not forcing her, if she tries and don't seems to manage, you won't reproach anything to her as long as she tells you so.
-[x] if she doesn't agree, take her with you and Mami.

I just spotted a typo in my vote, here's a version without it:

[x] Try and find her a home…
-[x] With Homura
--[x] Be sure to tell her that you will be available to help her if she wants it, and that you are not forcing her, if she tries and don't seems to manage, you won't reproach anything to her as long as she tells you so.

Available was spelled wrong.
 
My worry with the Homura option lies more with Yuma, she was just abandoned by Birb.
Who told her X would take care of her.
Do we reaaallly want to do that to Yuma?

Maybe at least put a part in there so Yuma doesn't feel like we are foisting her off to some (to her) strange cold-stared weirdo?
And if Homura says no (because it would bite into Madoka stalking time) would that not damage Yuma's feelings that staying with X (and Mami)
was for some reason unknown to her only second choice?

I am not entirely opposed, just want Yuma to be treated with a bit more care. She lived the last while raised by a Bird, not by Best Big Sis Kyoko and so should be treated with a bit more attention put on HER feelings, at least IMO.

Currently somewhat sleepy. Hope this post is coherent enough. Sorry if not.
 
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