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In the future: QM, pls give us a Censored description now thanks; DoSaM is immune to mental damage from external sources anyway
E: Wait, @Lepidoptera, how did X manage to hear
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“Human Resources” Shouldn’t Be This Literal: A PMMM/ProjectMoon Quest
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E: Wait, @Lepidoptera, how did X manage to hear
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I think it's because X keeps resetting the same day constantly...Or memory repositioning in order to get a more ideal run.
But that's pretty much the only reason I can think of yeah.
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The TT2 protocol will not be shut off because even Ayin don't have the authorization to do so because he don't trust himself which is correct seeing Abraham and Adam so I imagine the protocol simply kicked in and reseted everything.
So even when he reached a failed state TT2 protocol will still pull him back to the beginning of everything Just to keep the scenario going.
By the way, Abraham and Abram is basically the same name it is just Abraham is better to pronounce.
So even when he reached a failed state TT2 protocol will still pull him back to the beginning of everything Just to keep the scenario going.
By the way, Abraham and Abram is basically the same name it is just Abraham is better to pronounce.
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kaillll
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...hmm
I have to say nothing there might have the expectation for the meaning of existence now.(or the hope to be a better person.)
Since her attempt at becoming human failed She's now looking for some new way to become A true human, And that connection with humanity that X gived her shows her that her old ways will not work and will never work. So she's now lost, searching for something that she cannot get, yet.
But she know that she will find it someday. So she will wait and hope.
And that makes her more human than it ever was.
That's one.
And she has someone she trusts and will rely on for the future because she is now a sword, she will trust us to help her on her way to understand.
that's two.
And we'll have to wait and see for the rest of them.
I have to say nothing there might have the expectation for the meaning of existence now.(or the hope to be a better person.)
Since her attempt at becoming human failed She's now looking for some new way to become A true human, And that connection with humanity that X gived her shows her that her old ways will not work and will never work. So she's now lost, searching for something that she cannot get, yet.
But she know that she will find it someday. So she will wait and hope.
And that makes her more human than it ever was.
That's one.
And she has someone she trusts and will rely on for the future because she is now a sword, she will trust us to help her on her way to understand.
that's two.
And we'll have to wait and see for the rest of them.
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So...., since NT is book one final boss, can adult who lie become book 2 final bos?, and book 3 final bos is white night?
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It would be fitting.
It actually made me think. Is the Adult the Black damage Pinnacle? Since the other 3 slots are alreay taken.
It actually made me think. Is the Adult the Black damage Pinnacle? Since the other 3 slots are alreay taken.
There's a strong suspision that it's the Silent Girl, there was an insightful from Lepidoptera on this post:
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eh.
lepi press likes on basically everything.
the silent girl is...from the legacy version and I cant find Information on her about that.
But anyway, she didn't show any other worldly power or overwhelmingly destructive attack, and again I think she only got that strong because Carmen, just like every other abnormality on keter floor.
Seriously, an abno getting overtaken by a human consciousness. She is very embarrassing.
lepi press likes on basically everything.
the silent girl is...from the legacy version and I cant find Information on her about that.
But anyway, she didn't show any other worldly power or overwhelmingly destructive attack, and again I think she only got that strong because Carmen, just like every other abnormality on keter floor.
Seriously, an abno getting overtaken by a human consciousness. She is very embarrassing.
I'm absolutely in love with this particular inner monologue, on all levels.
In terms of characterization, it's great because it's exactly the kind of thing X, whose experience spans millenia, yet is concentrated in a measly 50 days and about 10 (very broken) people to interact with in total, would think. Very Homura-pilled, if you think about it.
In terms of truth-value, it's great because it's actually correct. Admittedly, this is dependent on what, precisely, is meant by "change", but suffice it to say that Hod's Hope to Be a Better Person has to come from somewhere. Even Angela and Roland's thing can be contextualized as realizing the target of their ire was misplaced, rather than a fundamental change of heart about the idea of revenge.
In terms of thematic (ugh) relevance, it's awesome because it's a case where someone has felt their way to a worthwhile inference in spite of, or perhaps even thanks to, their (seemingly) biased and distorted perspective. It's kind of a corollary to Ayin locking himself in a basement for thousands of years, never to interact with the City he supposedly wanted to help. Putting it this way, it sounds like a really stupid plan, but it worked, didn't it?
And why wouldn't it? Living in the City tends to imprint its nature on you. Just look at Myo, who took an innocuous comment by Kali (who I'm pretty sure meant something else altogether) and turned it into her weird "kill or be killed" creed. This is the kind of thing Roland wanted to prevent with his mask schtick.
A "normal" life is commonly thought to be free of bias and more "connected to humanity", but it can distort someone's vision as strongly as a fucked-up situation like LC's time loop.
(All this would also be relevant to Homura and her perspective, by the way, but she has more immediate things to worry about now, like her Distortion's mechanics fundamentally making her a burden on someone else. Joy!)
tl;dr X continues to be very based, more news at 11
The two biggest candidates were Silent Girl and The Staining Rose. The problem with Silent Girl is that she would almost definitely be the white pinnacle if she was one, and we are clearly the one on this color given what an unleashed Lobotomy did in seconds, meaning the rose is our best current candidate IMO.
After all, Lepi said we had not found the fourth after all the ALEPHs were guessed except for the ones from wonderlab.
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The last chapter noted that those Alephs who transcend even their own classification are not bothered by someone playing with time. See Apocalypse Bird and White Night.
But... the only other Aleph-level threat I can think of that flips you off if you try to do time shenanigans is An Arbiter.
But... the only other Aleph-level threat I can think of that flips you off if you try to do time shenanigans is An Arbiter.
Well, there's still a posibility that DoSaM is Black pinnacle, however small. Sure, Order and Lobotomy are strong arguments, but erosion of black fits decay theme better, and we are still incomplete. Who knows what abilities we'll get when we will be finished.
I wouldn't complely discount the possibility, at least; at the end, WN has its whole unique Reverence thing, and it certainly is a Pale pinnacle, not White.
Also, just a thought. The answer is almost certainly not that, but Carmen herself kind of qualifies as a pinnacle of White. Sure, she was a human and just dissolved into the light, but that's exactly what made X into a pinnacle abnormality, isn't it? That even makes Silent Girl guess true from a certain point of view, and the Voice of the Distortion can compete with the Lobotomy I think.
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Wait what? Do you mean Day 49? Because last I checked, Binah's meltdown can be put into time stop.
They are the only ones we knows for sure can mess with time, but part of what makes finding others (except for price of silence) difficult is that there is no time shenanigans past LobCorp.
The thing is, X said *mess with time and space*, so we can search this way.
Silent girl don't seem to have any space manipulation going on, she acts when you're in range and uses line of sights.
The Staining Rose affects a whole facility with it's disease without moving, not conclusive, but definitely a step in the right direction.
And there really weren't much Alephs that weren't already guessed when Lepi said we hadn't found the fourth, in fact, someone said that we were out of alephs to guess because Silent Girl already was on the list of guesses, the only that were actually left were the ones from wonderlab, with Staining Rose at their top.
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Not her third phase, you cannot timestop during the meltdown on the third phase.
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Yeah, but my point was more of it being a one off thing. Otherwise day 49 wouldnt have been nearly the pain in the ass it was.
While things like WN and A-Bird immediately shut down time shenanigans the moment they appear.
E: Also. 69 Niceee
While things like WN and A-Bird immediately shut down time shenanigans the moment they appear.
E: Also. 69 Niceee
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In no particular order, have some more thoughts:
-> X's memories stop at approximately 3.6 mil days
This does raise the important question of whether the memories of the other days are as-they-are or retroactively filtered through DoSaM's view of things
(This question matters insofar as "did X's previous iterations really not hold Agent's lives in decent regard?", or is it X's stellar self perception at work again?)
Can't really attempt to dig through this further until the IC frame being used here is clarified...
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There was nothing X/Angela could do for Tiphereth B huh
Positive - X mourning together with Tiphereth A, and that if X had a family, when X does she will be mourned for and remembered like X is doing now
Negative? - Remembering a life (that should have been X instead), and having a family so they can mourn together about the X that died in a way so many loops and iterations ago
Good thing things ultimately ended fine this day; and Angela managed to help take X out of this world's context for a short while
So it's confirmed that whatever not-Greta was is similar to Distortions in truth. Hm. Magic + Abnormality stuff = Distortion-derived existence?
After doing some math; looks like DoSaM has all the memories of the various iterations of X.
-> X's memories stop at approximately 3.6 mil days
This does raise the important question of whether the memories of the other days are as-they-are or retroactively filtered through DoSaM's view of things
(This question matters insofar as "did X's previous iterations really not hold Agent's lives in decent regard?", or is it X's stellar self perception at work again?)
Can't really attempt to dig through this further until the IC frame being used here is clarified...
I wonder if DoSaM remembers the times when Angela wasn't who she is now (and tried to help more) or did DoSaM simply not think about it further?
Yet another great line once again; doesn't this also to an extent apply to most of the Sephirah?
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There was nothing X/Angela could do for Tiphereth B huh
That's the million dollar question wrt this monologue; from my reading it felt like X was unknowingly contradicting herself at the bottom (that is a very human thing to do)
Two ways of interpreting this:
Positive - X mourning together with Tiphereth A, and that if X had a family, when X does she will be mourned for and remembered like X is doing now
Negative? - Remembering a life (that should have been X instead), and having a family so they can mourn together about the X that died in a way so many loops and iterations ago
Now there is, in the Library; although I don't think this has sunk in yet - not enough time together to clear the everything and for this assurance to weigh more than the past for X
Looks at There Is No Outside: Negative Character Development is still character development, right?
Good thing things ultimately ended fine this day; and Angela managed to help take X out of this world's context for a short while
Its not very clear from the update if the girls kept their memory, but if not is it WN? doing their thing, or is it just bad weather from Sidestory 9?
Huh, Madoka is doing better than expected here in terms of mental state and actions
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I'm pretty sure "Abram" is an artifact of the infamously bad original translation of Lobotomy Corporation, which was kept as it is for consistency's sake. Like "Gebura" (which is supposed to be Gevurah), it's probably the thing where Project Moon modified the word to be pronounceable in Korean, and the dummy English translators just transliterated the (modified) word back, instead of catching on to the wacky biblical reference it was supposed to be.
I mean, if you go by a functionalist definition of change (defining a person as a bunch of input-output pairs), then sure, she's contradicting herself. But in that case literally everything she does that affects someone else qualifies too, so she wouldn't be freaking out about Lobotomy specifically.
Not entirely sure, I did see people point out that the way some of the words were written was a deliberate callback ro some particular way of writing hebrew, leading to WAW and Hokma being correct. So it can apply there to both Gebura and Abram.
I also think I saw someone say that Abram is actually the name that Abraham had before the whole *sacrifice your son to me* spiel and that he changed his name to what we know him as only after, he was indeed named Abram before according to this person.
Actually, a quick check on google instantly tells me that yes, Abram is a correct spelling. First line on wikipedia: *Abraham (originally Abram)*
As such, I am pretty sure Gebura is also deliberate and not a typo.
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Her friends are still alive after all.
kaillll
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Angela was already in that state of forever despair and cynical Before X arrived, so likely she gotten a bit worse, but she was not that much better to begin with.
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I still maintain my opinion that Pre-Script (*evil spinning wheel noises*) Angela is the most precious thing in existence and deserved to be pampered.
Though I would like to say, Angela likely wasn't as cynical and forever despairing by the time X arrived due to Hod's realization where she called the Manager for help with Hod's meltdown.
Though I would like to say, Angela likely wasn't as cynical and forever despairing by the time X arrived due to Hod's realization where she called the Manager for help with Hod's meltdown.