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“Human Resources” Shouldn’t Be This Literal: A PMMM/ProjectMoon Quest

Would you Distort or manifest EGO?

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Suleverf, so after rereading your suggestion, it's three points:
1 - QB's objectives are different from your own, it's hidden something that you should have known before you Contracted.
2 - Ordinarily it's too late now, as people are known to react badly to this afterwards, but it's pretty likely that you will encounter it afterwards the way things are shaping up
3 - So, do remember if that time comes that it's not an insurmountable matter or your responsibility, and that X and friends will be there to support you through it if you need it

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Btw, questioningmeme, what was the Binah/Hokma speeches you mentioned again?
 
Yes, it does. That percentage damage is just pale damage, All high level abno have some protection against it.
Also on the subject of why big bird and the blue star didn't stop killing people when we told them not to, they see saving people as killing them, if we say to them no don't kill people. you are denying their entire purpose and their goal.
In other words, a bad work result.
They are actively in the process of killing those people, so if we didn't stop them as fast as possible, they will kill even more people.
We are fundamentally disagreeing with Their base idea, One is a question about Do killing people from a fate worse than death count as saving them, The other is if death can bring salvation then why shouldn't we all die a horrible death?
that is why we didn't even try talking it out, the result will be horrible beyond belief.
 
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questioningmeme said:
Sure, NT might be nice. But the Adult isn't nice. Our current plans outside of the conversation topics should be on how to deal with these two at the same time. And whether or not it's a good idea to just pick up the girls and run.
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Does running even make sense? For these two, distance does not play a significant role.

Although I have a great plan when it comes to fighting both that definitely can't go wrong:

X: So do you remember our conversation about Potential and Wish?
Kyubey: So you want to make a contract?
X: It doesn't look like I have a better choice.
 
...ugh. We aren't gonna make a contract.

For all we know, we can just arrive right as NT and TA were meeting and then convince NT to come with us.

We don't have to fight TA.

Edit: I am not opposed to making a contract if it comes to it though.
 
questioningmeme said:
Nope. Pale damage does normal damage to Abnormalities. It ONLY does % against your employees.

This is the reason why Nothing There doesn't immediately die to a Justitia Agent. If Pale Damage was that Overpowered, day 49 would have been a sweep.
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I know that.
im just saying that that thing is pale damage and abnormalities dont take that kind of damage like normal people.
I know how the game works I completed both like three times already, with two time being a Complete save wipe.

On the subject of dealing with adult, Best option is don't, Second best option is let someone else deal with it like the ozzy gang.
 
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To clarify, the reason Pale dmg doesnt do % dmg on abnormalities, ordeals or sephirahs is because they have an immortal soul.

Valkhir said:
This is not my experience in Ruina. It does do percentage (the few opportunities you do get to try it) it just doesn't help due to plot mechanics or being unreliable/few uses.
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You are talking about Price of Silence, yes? Because that isnt pale damage.

Ruina doesnt have pale damage at all.

Edit: Nvm forgot about justitia. Though again that doesnt exactly detract from my point.

Abnormalities or immortal souls dont get affected by pale damage. Anything that do are mortals.
 
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questioningmeme said:
You are talking about Price of Silence, yes? Because that isnt pale damage.

Ruina doesnt have pale damage at all.
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So you're saying that in the same universe, the two damage types that do percentage, from EGO and Abnos both, are not the same? Including the Knight's swords?

I don't believe that. Stuff just got different mechanics. Thats like saying NT in Ruina doesn't do Red, because its not said to be Red damage.
 
Again. Pale Damage cannot do % against abnormalities and that is final. We even have a recent example with Big Bird itself. Where we couldve killed it in 2-5 sword shots had pale damage affected abnormalities.
 
Game mechanic doesn't go one to one into the story, And both games mechanics are very different, While I stand by that, that percentage damage is pale damage. I don't believe it will work the same on abnos that are heavily resistant against certain damaged types.If that card do not work as it described the gamer either reported as a bug or scream about it in the reviews.
 
Lurker183839 said:
Suleverf, so after rereading your suggestion, it's three points:
1 - QB's objectives are different from your own, it's hidden something that you should have known before you Contracted.
2 - Ordinarily it's too late now, as people are known to react badly to this afterwards, but it's pretty likely that you will encounter it afterwards the way things are shaping up
3 - So, do remember if that time comes that it's not an insurmountable matter or your responsibility, and that X and friends will be there to support you through it if you need it

Something like this?
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Sounds about right as a summary of points my vote intends to cover. I don't wish to quibble too much about wording since these are supposed to be broad points anyway, but:
"it's not an insurmountable matter or your responsibility" -> "it's not an insurmountable matter or your responsibility to handle alone"

I also do think there is a benefit to resolving to tell them soon after this (barring anything unexpected), instead of laying down prepwork and then waiting for something else to reveal it.
 
Anyway, again. This is all pointless since the quest already shows us that Pale Damage doesn't do % damage against abnormalities already so arguing about it is useless.

Moving back to important topics.
In the great case that the talk goes well. We will presumably have the Mami-Kyoko conversation afterward, alongside the Homura-Madoka conversation.

Any suggestions regarding what to tackle regarding these?
 
Eternal_0bserver said:
Although I have a great plan when it comes to fighting both that definitely can't go wrong:

X: So do you remember our conversation about Potential and Wish?
Kyubey: So you want to make a contract?
X: It doesn't look like I have a better choice.
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Most likely result: now they're not fighting, great! Our shell is broken and everything is dying in a very big radius and we can't stop it, not great!

questioningmeme said:
Any suggestions regarding what to tackle regarding these?
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Well, begin screaming if Kyouko say that she got her EGO from a friendly plague doctor?

More seriously, for Homura and Madoka, we should try to begin making Homura think about telling Madoka about her loops, we should also discuss a little with her alone, she needs company, she isn't as lonely as Mami but that's not saying much given how lonely Mami is.
 
Nyarky said:
Well, begin screaming if Kyouko say that she got her EGO from a friendly plague doctor?
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This is honestly the worst case scenario lol. But thats pretty impossible...hopefully its One Bro. X needs to go pray to him for some peace of mind.

Aa for Homura, I guess we should also mention the plan to have her be Madoka's bodyguard. Given how well her power pairs with Madoka's abnormality book.

Just stop time to pull up the abno document. Thats how the Manager does it.
 
It's pretty difficult to make predictions about these discussions, especially when we don't know their reaction to the initial conversation. Even the current outline of the conversation is really just a reminder of what topics we want to bring up after the X and Abnormalities part of the conversation.

And we still don't know what Kyoko's deal is.

Nyarky said:
Most likely result: now they're not fighting, great! Our shell is broken and everything is dying in a very big radius and we can't stop it, not great!
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I'm sure if Wish had the effect of "Rockfall, everyone dies" the author wouldn't have suggested this to us. While I'm concerned about the side effects, I don't think it will be that straightforward.
 
Eternal_0bserver said:
I'm sure if Wish had the effect of "Rockfall, everyone dies" the author wouldn't have suggested this to us. While I'm concerned about the side effects, I don't think it will be that straightforward.
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I share this opinion. While the contract is evil, X's nature kinda make the whole thing far less dangerous.

We are basically a discount madokami in our current state. We shouldnt be too afraid of the contract.
 
True, but didn't we agree that X would make a terrible MG due to all the small-letter Grief?
Or is it handled by endless Repression like Homura does?
 
Mostly various consistent comments after the chapters and reading the X-colored text's guilt, lack of self-worth, etc (and perhaps having too much Potential to be able to do anything useful with your Magic, depending on how the QM interprets things)

Also, just finished looking up the relevant conversations you mentioned - great writing, but how exactly are we going to adapt that into things?

E: Off topic, but could we make some use of Enchantment while scouting (like, the binoculars example from Kyouko), or elsewhere? Maybe even Enchanted EGO?
 
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Lurker183839 said:
Mostly various consistent comments after the chapters and reading the X-colored text's guilt, lack of self-worth, etc (and perhaps having too much Potential to be able to do anything useful with your Magic, depending on how the QM interprets things)
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Ah, none of that matters much. We can cleanse our own grief, and X also has an immortal soul as an abnormality.

Madoka can be overwhelmed by her own power, but once she became Madokami, that isnt really a problem anymore. The same should apply to X.

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Also, just finished looking up the relevant conversations you mentioned - great writing, but how exactly are we going to adapt that into things?
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Its the three factors, that came into the conversation with Abraham that we should try to imbue into the kids.

Help them have an expectation of the meaning of existence, to mature and has more dreams and wishes beyond the one that turned them into a magical girls. The dream of what they will do once they grow up...provided that they can even do that (can MGs grow old?). But generally its the ability to once again wish for something that they can WORK for instead of wish for. This is so that they will continue living and want to continue living. Tells them that they are still too young to declare that being magical girl is all that they shall focus on and try to focus on what they will do other than being a magixal girl.

Make them feel proud of their courage to protect. That even if they can become monsters, they can still protect people and they should take pride in that courage. This matters the most to Mami and Sayaka obviously.

And make them understand that they are surrounded by those who are faithful and trustworthy. That even if they feel alone in their struggles, they should always remember that those around them are loyal friends and will help them out if they just honestly ask for it. X will always be here to help them out after all. They dont need to fear their own nature.
Lurker183839 said:
Off topic, but could we make some use of Enchantment while scouting (like, the binoculars example from Kyouko), or elsewhere? Maybe even Enchanted EGO?
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We could ask her after this.
 
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questioningmeme said:
We are basically a discount madokami in our current state. We shouldnt be too afraid of the contract.
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The greater the magical girl, the greater the witch, and very powerful magical girls all have problems regulating their output to not witch out instantly (Tart can only attack once seriously without saturating her soul gem and Madoka's far past that point), us contracting is more likely to make us WEAKER because we now have a maximum output and any strain on us makes it very likely that we reach it. It doesn't matter if we can self cleanse if we instantly reach the cap.

Our main avantage right now is the fact that we don't have an actual cap for our stamina that would end up with an instant apocalypse, wishing is just creating one for no reason.

By the way, the fact that Madoka can't attack without becoming a witch on the spot is why I consider her wishing a bad end.
 
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Nyarky said:
By the way, the fact that Madoka can't attack without becoming a witch on the spot is why I consider her wishing a bad end.
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This depends.

Madokami can still operate just fine without witching out. She just instantly cleanses any grief she builds up.

As for us. It's all up to the QM. We aren't human. Our soul itself is immortal. We have 0 idea about how it would interact with us.

For all we know, everything you said could be wrong. We would have to take the plunge on this one to know for sure. And also, we DO have a stamina cap so it's not a fact.

During our fight with Big Bird, we even mentioned it and how we would run out of steam way before Big Bird dies.

Also, it's another opinion/hypothesis you have when you say that us becoming a magical woman would give us a stamina cap, especially when you don't know how wish magic would interact with X at all.

All planning regarding this is impossible since X doesn't even have any idea about the process of a wish contract without seeing one in work herself.

I would prefer we move past it since that's best to leave to the pinch scenario where we are cornered and are forced to choose.
 
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