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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up
- Thread starter Durin
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Here's something that's less overly generous, but still gets everything. They get around a third of our AM and EM production tech in this, along with all of the General, Medical, and Food related items.
[X] Plan Fair Trade
We buy:
1 Relic Credits and 1,000 Credits= Cathedral of the Omnissiah (AM)
2 Relic Credits and 10,000 Credits= Grand Cathedral of the Omnissiah (AM)
4 Relic Credits and 500 Credits= Cathedral of the Machine-God (RM)
10 Relic Credits and 5,000 Credits= Grand Cathedral of the Machine-God(RM)
3 Relic Credits= Terminator Armour
10 Relic Credits and 1,000 Credits= Ultra Dense Alloy (used in Battle Barges)
20 Relic Credits= Angelsteel (near unbreakable RM metal)
250 Credits= Baal Predator
250 Credits= all other Astartes equipment
5000 Credits= 1000 Merchantman and Naviagtor
Total: 50 RC, 23000 C
We Sell:
4744 Credits= All Imperial era production STCs
2000 Credits= All (1000) New General STCs
700 Credits= All (70) New Medical STCs
847.5 Credits= All (56.5) New Food STCs
4160 Credits= 208 New AM STC (out of our 610.75)
2100 Credits= 84 New EM STC (out of our 253)
10 Credits= Faster Cognator
50 Credits= Super-Tough Cognator
40 Credits= Improved IFF
1,000 Credits= Even better Factory Automation
500 Credits= More Efficient Engines
1,250 Credits= Improved Mining Excavator
3,000 Credits= Very Advanced Hydroponics
100 Credits= Lower Mass Alloy
500 Credits= Very Advanced-mag lav Trains
100 Credits= Auto-Doc Bed
500 Credits= High Bandwith Vox
1,000 Credits= Royal Basalisk
17 Relic Credits= Astartes APA designs
2 Relic Credits and 1,000 Credits= Adamantine Forges
6 Relic Credits and 5,000 Credits= Automated Forges
20 Relic Credits and 2,000 Credits= Helheim Pattern Defense Cruisers and the naval technology that they use
2500 Credits= 500 Fell pattern tanks
5 Relic Credits= Converted from 10000 Credits
Total: 50 RC, 23001.5 Credits
[X] Plan Fair Trade
We buy:
1 Relic Credits and 1,000 Credits= Cathedral of the Omnissiah (AM)
2 Relic Credits and 10,000 Credits= Grand Cathedral of the Omnissiah (AM)
4 Relic Credits and 500 Credits= Cathedral of the Machine-God (RM)
10 Relic Credits and 5,000 Credits= Grand Cathedral of the Machine-God(RM)
3 Relic Credits= Terminator Armour
10 Relic Credits and 1,000 Credits= Ultra Dense Alloy (used in Battle Barges)
20 Relic Credits= Angelsteel (near unbreakable RM metal)
250 Credits= Baal Predator
250 Credits= all other Astartes equipment
5000 Credits= 1000 Merchantman and Naviagtor
Total: 50 RC, 23000 C
We Sell:
4744 Credits= All Imperial era production STCs
2000 Credits= All (1000) New General STCs
700 Credits= All (70) New Medical STCs
847.5 Credits= All (56.5) New Food STCs
4160 Credits= 208 New AM STC (out of our 610.75)
2100 Credits= 84 New EM STC (out of our 253)
10 Credits= Faster Cognator
50 Credits= Super-Tough Cognator
40 Credits= Improved IFF
1,000 Credits= Even better Factory Automation
500 Credits= More Efficient Engines
1,250 Credits= Improved Mining Excavator
3,000 Credits= Very Advanced Hydroponics
100 Credits= Lower Mass Alloy
500 Credits= Very Advanced-mag lav Trains
100 Credits= Auto-Doc Bed
500 Credits= High Bandwith Vox
1,000 Credits= Royal Basalisk
17 Relic Credits= Astartes APA designs
2 Relic Credits and 1,000 Credits= Adamantine Forges
6 Relic Credits and 5,000 Credits= Automated Forges
20 Relic Credits and 2,000 Credits= Helheim Pattern Defense Cruisers and the naval technology that they use
2500 Credits= 500 Fell pattern tanks
5 Relic Credits= Converted from 10000 Credits
Total: 50 RC, 23001.5 Credits
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Doomed Wombat
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Well no one can say we're not spoiled for choice.
The concern would be that they would leak the STCs (lets say they lose a world protected by Adv. Def. Cruisers to the Dark Mechanicus), which could be very bad.
Doomed Wombat
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Its still not too bad as the tech in the cruisers is weaker than our ships of the line (Lances are only 10% better than Imperial ect)
So, a couple things I'm wondering if we should do with the materials we're getting...
1. Ultra Dense Alloys would make for some very good ships, even if we couldn't practically put it in every ship. I'm wondering if it might be of any worth to design a larger defense oriented ship that uses it. Like, how much firepower would a Defence Grand Cruiser, or better yet a Defence Battleship have?
2. Angelsteel is expensive, and likely only used in weapons most of the time, but what if we went through the expense of commissioning an Angelsteel set of Power Armor for Rotbart? Put that together with the Black Crystal Breastplate making all our equipment more durable and you might get Angelsteel to the point where it's truly unbreakable at the level of personal combat.
1. Ultra Dense Alloys would make for some very good ships, even if we couldn't practically put it in every ship. I'm wondering if it might be of any worth to design a larger defense oriented ship that uses it. Like, how much firepower would a Defence Grand Cruiser, or better yet a Defence Battleship have?
2. Angelsteel is expensive, and likely only used in weapons most of the time, but what if we went through the expense of commissioning an Angelsteel set of Power Armor for Rotbart? Put that together with the Black Crystal Breastplate making all our equipment more durable and you might get Angelsteel to the point where it's truly unbreakable at the level of personal combat.
Doomed Wombat
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If practical we could probably use it for ground defences as well, though I fear that we won't be able to replace our ship's armour before they come...
MMM, assuming it doesn't take an action for redesign asking if we can replace the armour for the new ships and the ones being rebuilt should save some time.
I'm also interested in what, if any, psycic properties it has.
Would it make a good force weapon, can we find Sanguinius's psycic resonance ect.
- Location
- Leicester UK
The Svartaflheim artisans must have a special place in their hearts for Rotbart, when he's not sending his people to their vaults with shopping trolleys and blank checks he's providing new levels of technology that they have an almost complete automatic monopoly over then immediately becomes their best customer in whatever he just provided them.
Doomed Wombat
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Well not monopoly... kinda.
Regardless I'm sure they like the admech and maybe respect Rotbart for officiating their getting their mits on it, but they're far from happy with our liberal agenda.
Better to use it for static defence than monitors. Given the name I suspect UDA costs a ship speed in exchange for the protection it gives. Thus we may as well armour things that don't move in the first place.
More importantly, how soon can we have Tranth design an Advanced Battle Barge?
Eh, Fred is already nigh-unkillable by anything he should be fighting. Give the Angelsteel armour to Jane and Xavier.
Possibly Magos Biologis Vinceo Maximal too. Might let him live long enough to tell us what keeps killing out biologists.
Pretty sure it doesn't. In BFG Astartes capital ships are of average speed for their class, but sport all around armor on par with Imperial armored ramming prows. Which are usually stated to be solid Adamantium. UDA is pretty bullshit.
- Location
- Brazil, Minas gerais
One question, since we can and probably will need to talk to the council of the trust plus our mecanus (and I hope that this don't cause a raise with the more orthodox ones), can we try, if we go with the enjou or other plans that also gives more stuff, to ask if they can put anything else on the table? even if, is a very basic, codex of them of astartes.
plus can we ask to our SM if they want to trade Written words from their archive to them even if are just things like 'xx die in a brave way'.
I ask this because I want anything else that we can do strengthen the bonds with us id very good.
Also lesson learned (to fight orcs), plus the portion of the war lesson that involve these STCs (if we can, since this probably is too much military secret). I want this because the other side is SM that are more evolve humans that focus pretty much in war and war industry (and it shows in this trade) so they can have some stuff to teach us too (and they have psyker too).
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plus can we ask to our SM if they want to trade Written words from their archive to them even if are just things like 'xx die in a brave way'.
I ask this because I want anything else that we can do strengthen the bonds with us id very good.
Also lesson learned (to fight orcs), plus the portion of the war lesson that involve these STCs (if we can, since this probably is too much military secret). I want this because the other side is SM that are more evolve humans that focus pretty much in war and war industry (and it shows in this trade) so they can have some stuff to teach us too (and they have psyker too).
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Doomed Wombat
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Given its used for the rather fast battlebarges, I imagine one of its advantages is that it doesn't hit the speed too much those things are supposed to be really really fast for their size and armour.
Even then if it does hit the speed he's making the hyper reactor so that should hopefully compensate
You are right of course, especially since again time and need to use the ships ect.
Honestly the idea of Angel Steel armour for anyone sounds incredible, though first priority should be our main killers (so Jane, Surt and Horatius)
I'm afraid those are worth nothing.
I mean sure great history X died in a cool way, but what does that give them?
They're putting a massive amount of trust and showing us their most powerful stuff, but in exchange we're offering history... yeah not really a good trade I fear.
We also have the Codex astartes the Guard were Ultramarines they wrote it and they have thrown it out.
Pretty sure they have much better lessons learned than we do, any trade for STCs will probaby include uses of the STCs.
As for focus on war no.
Space Marines do not focus on war exclusivley they do often rule their worlds and do it rather well (take the Ultramarines that rule the 500 worlds of Ultramar ect.)
The BD have been ruling 80 worlds for around 1000 years give or take a century or two.
They also have nothing they can really give us in terms of lessons learned themselves.
And no psyker stuff they don't trust us enough to give the only thing they have that we want (technomancy) and are too paranoid to accept what we have (Blink, Phase ect.)
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Not necessarily better but I don't think our hard-earned SOP are interchangeable. If anything, learning the exact ratio of neutron weapons wielders in freaking PDF will give them an envy-rage boner.
Doomed Wombat
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That, but also because they have been at this for over 1000 years.
We've been at it for only nearly 200.
On the speed vs armor density thing, I imagine it might be possible that Ultra Dense Alloy allows for you to make the armor somewhat thinner than you normally would be able to to make up for the difference. I'm imagining what we could do by combining the Well of Urd's armor with Ultra Dense Alloy...
[X] Plan Generous Trade
The minor issue I have with this plan is I'd like to differentiate trade from gifts. I think that grouping a bunch of extra options in a thematic way (e.g. make all medical tech a gift, or higher levels of AM/EM) will be beneficial from diplomatic point of view. @Enjou
The minor issue I have with this plan is I'd like to differentiate trade from gifts. I think that grouping a bunch of extra options in a thematic way (e.g. make all medical tech a gift, or higher levels of AM/EM) will be beneficial from diplomatic point of view. @Enjou
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Doomed Wombat
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We're also getting the Baal predator which is significantly faster.
That reminds me when @Durin gets back we'll have to ask him about Blood Shard Bolts.
With any luck the other Astartes equipment includes Dragon Fire, Kraken (probably not needed), Metal Storm, Ulysses and Vengeance Bolts as well
That reminds me when @Durin gets back we'll have to ask him about Blood Shard Bolts.
With any luck the other Astartes equipment includes Dragon Fire, Kraken (probably not needed), Metal Storm, Ulysses and Vengeance Bolts as well
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And we can combine the design with the Helheim Pattern Predator for even better results.
That tells us nothing. Firstly because BFG is a very limited game (no group of similar ship has more than two speeds) and secondly because Astarties tech and Imperial Navy tech is vastly different. I would be amazed if Battle Barges don't have more advanced reactors and engines to go with their more advanced armour.
They can pay for their own super armour.
- Location
- Brazil, Minas gerais
[X] Plan Generous Trade
- Location
- Northern Ireland, UK
Doomed Wombat
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Well so do we...
Significantly better in fact. Probably better than the BB engines though I could be wrong on that.
Still we're about to get even better once the hyper reactor is finished.
And even more so when we finally get to do the upgrades to the other reactors.
Never said they wouldn't Horatius can have one made in Constantinople and Surt can bribe the Svartsfar with more of what ever it was he bribed them with...
Actually we can probably ask him what that was now if he's being so candid.
According to the Glaive Encarmine page its said to be effortless to swing about and kill people with it, taking about as much effort to heft and use as a combat knife but again those are astartes and swords/axes/spears so a suit of the stuff who knows?
It is however probably guaranteed to be better it is noted to be nearly unbreakable, though the expense will probably relegate it to Power Armour if not simply relic weapons (it is a Relic Material after all)
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