Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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I'd be a bit more forgiving if he were actually Ling Qi's long established type like Liao Zhu, Shen Hu, or Bai Lao Keung; but he's not.

That's not, in any way, close to complete "type". Those guys have little in common outside of having chiseled muscles. Which, to someone as repressed and scared of sexual and/or romantic attachment as Ling Qi, would never be enough to kickstart or develop anything by itself.
 
Speaking of the flute, I find it rather astounding that we haven't yet replaced (or repaired) it as it's our main weapon. And there is even a war arc coming up.

It's only a slight hyperbole to say that we are like a sword cultivator going into battle barehanded.
 
Absolutely fantastic couple of updates here!

Yes, of course Sixiang chooses to break the ice of the serious conversation with fun. I love that, I love them.

Thanks Erebeal for your in depth annotations, and thanks Yrs for heckin knocking it out of the park again for this gloomy girl.
 
I'd be a bit more forgiving if he were actually Ling Qi's long established type like Liao Zhu, Shen Hu, or Bai Lao Keung; but he's not. So far I'm just not able to buy his supposed lead, it just feels like yrsillar has a favorite.
Most of the women I've spoken to about muscles vs height, have preferred height over muscles. But that's a sample size less than 20.


Edit: This is in the context of all of them wanting both, but stating their most preferred attribute.
 
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I gotta thank yrs for the way they handled this. It was going to be an hard conversation whatever we chose, but this one has even more nuance.

It's hard to love someone and admit that evolving it to a romantic relationship wouldn't be what you believed to be your feelings, to end it requires a lot of maturity and self awareness, saying even knowing the risk of it affecting your relationship.

Greatly done, I really appreciate it.
 
Heyo guys I admit I got a bit burned out over the last week or so, and I want to take a little more time to plan the last bit of things here with the remainder of the fdream festival, the ministry conversation and the ith so I can get through the arc efficiently while conveying everything I want, so I am going to take a break today, the next update will be on thursday
 
Year 46, Month 1 Arc 8-1 Ministry Negotiation New
"Come onnnn, I bet I can do it if we just try one more time!" Sixiang complained, glaring at the game stand where colored rings jittered across the floor, crawling back up to the counter. The bottles set out for them to be tossed over rattled with muffled laughter.

The fluffy pinkish antenna poking out of the bushy hair of the mothlike muse behind the counter smirked brightly, leaning on the counter. "Yah! You got it cuz, just one more toss, you almost had it that time!"

The rings rattled, spreading themselves across the counter enticingly.

"You know I could see them contracting mid-throw, right?" Ling Qi said, frowning at the game keeper.

"You know I could hear you trying to sweet talk my rings, right, beanpole?" the muse replied, amused. "And see you fiddling with the wind before that."

"Like you weren't moving the platform the bottles were on," Sixiang grumped.

"Right! That's the game, ya idjits. Now, if you want the next round, that'll be a memory of a breeze at sunset or two of your red human rocks, step up or step out!" The muse said, spreading their upper set of hands while the lower gestured to the line of festival goers behind them.

Sixiang shot her a pleading look, but Ling Qi turned up her nose and huffed. Honestly, those little rings, not staying bought, they were worse than a Tonghou official. "Lets play a different game, Sixiang."

"Fiiine," Sixiang huffed. "Cmon, I see a game table over yonder!"

He tugged at her hand, and she followed after, her frown shifting to a wry smile. "Festival games sure are cutthroat, hm?"

"That's what you get when you're born of the dreams of a big city," Sixiang agreed cheerfully. "So, games?"

"I've seen paiju and mahjong played, but I don't really know the rules. Paiju is the simpler one, right?" Ling Qi wondered. There was no point in gambling games for someone like her on the street, not when she'd just have been robbed by her opponent if she did win.

Sixiang clicked his tongue. "You can see it that way, yeah. It does look like that's what they're playing over here; it's definitely more of a street game. I'll show you the ropes!"

"Sure," Ling Qi said. "Assuming I don't get banned from the table.

"Pfft, come on, you heard my cuz back there, the cultivator cheating is part of the game," Sixiang dismissed. "Though… speaking of you, sure you want to stay out, when you got that big meeting in the morning?"

Ling Qi blew out a breath, as they passed under the gate that led to the little 'park' full of dancing flowerbeds and acrobatic fountain waters, where the game tables had all been set out. "I think I'm well prepared. Fretting over it more won't improve that I think."

"Yeah, " Sixiang said, turning his head slightly.

"...The Minister of Spiritual affairs likely wants to establish where I stand on methods… and maybe chide me for disrupting others, I can handle that," Ling Qi said. "The ith… thats a trickier question, but I have some ideas."

"You'll knock it out no problem, and I'll help ya," Sixiang said cheerfully as they reached the tables. "Now, paiju plays like this…"

Ling Qi listened to Sixiang's instructions intently. If she was going to learn a game, she would learn it well.

***​
It was early, the lower edge of the sun still touching the horizon when she met with the Minister. She came to him, not at the temple of Bountiful Earth, but rather at the nondescript but well-appointed office of the ministry of spiritual affairs in the administration district. One might think the Ministry's headquarters in the capital would be less austere, but Ling Qi could see the logic to it.

The Ministry of Spiritual Affairs oversaw a vast web of spirit pacts and served as a congregating place for many varied priesthoods. Anything truly grand could easily offend some spirit or court. So, simple lines, dun roof tiles, a clean layout. And just a bit of draconic imagery woven into the scrolling of the rails and painted into wallpaper, quietly asserting the Celestial Dragon's spiritual supremacy.

They met, not at a a fanciful shrine, but in a simple office, lit brightly by a formations lamp on the ceiling.

"Minister, thank you for granting me the honor of a conversation, even before the time of the meeting with Law," Ling Qi said, paying respect to the mans position, bowing low.

"As the young heiress' closest spiritual advisor, it seems only sensible that I speak with you, considering the influence you have already shown in the south," Zhu fan said, stroking his beard idly. He did not have a staff in hand today, and though he wore the horned band of his order on his head, his robes were much less intricate today. They were clean, soft earth tones with only a bit of geometric embroidery.
"It is a role I've found came naturally, though not one I received any classical training for," Ling Qi admitted, choosing her words carefully. "I, of course do not mean to cause disruption, merely to aid where I see it is needed."

"Understandable, when one is young, it is easy to see only numerous problems and easy solutions," Zhu Fan said agreeably, gesturing for her to rise and moving to take a seat himself. "And those youthful eyes are not always wrong. There are many lingering problems left behind from Ogodéi's wake."

Ling Qi nodded cautiously. That was a relatively good start to things. It certainly hadn't been the polite rebuke she had feared would be coming her way.

Pretty conciliatory, but I wouldn't expect him to just pat ya on the head and tell you good job either. There's gonna be a lot of buts to those words, I'd bet," Sixiang murmured.

"The calamity of that invasion has left many deep scars," Ling Qi agreed aloud. "Though I do not fully understand the hows of it all."

"The cloud tribes do not interact with spirit courts as we do, and so they have no respect for the rituals and rites and pacts they do not make," Zhu Fan said. "When the people of the South were slaughtered and driven from their homes, the spirits they had cultivated as their neighbors were merely collateral, uprooted and replaced by wilder spirits born from the torrential floods."

There was a heavy beat of silence.

"Great Tsu became the bountiful earth, and ordered the seasons, which were themselves but expressions of Yin and Yang energies in the world. Rising heat, highest heat, falling heat, lowest heat," Zhu Fan continued. "This he made a cycle, rather than a chaotic jumble, and man's wars cannot disrupt this. But the smaller details…"

"When do the rains come, how often, in what quantity. Which rivers flood and where, when does the first crop killing cold come? These things are the work of much smaller spirits," Ling Qi said, filling in the answer to the unspoken question. "This is one of the things I have sought to stabilize, the coming of the snows at least.

"It is a unique method," Zhu Fan said, dragging his fingers slowly through his beard. "Unstable. Your spirit does not have the potency to be such a far-reaching lord."

"She may grow to be so. Her mother was much more potent than she."

"And yet that spirit was only the cold of the mountaintop, not a matriarch of winters to stretch across the province," Zhu Fan replied. "Caution, be wary of what you change. However, I know you act at with the blessing of certain interests among the Meng, so there is clearly a plan. I hope you will convey that I would like to hear it."

That was rather pointed, as far as these things went.

"I mean… Hanyi's thing seems to be working out, but yeah, it's starting to get kinda serious too. That's probably a talk we need to have with Granny Meng," Sixiang said.

"I will raise the matter where I can. If I may, we have some plans to expand to more of a… troupe model to spread the authority involved. Hanyi has also been… learning to cultivate lesser spirits into local agents who can act in her absence," Ling Qi stated frankly.

"That is somewhat reassuring. A roving court is not a new thing, among man or spirit, but it has its own complications," Zhu Fan agreed after a moment's consideration. "But primarily, I would like to speak with you about your thoughts on spiritual organization. You are a rising star of the south and the likely new wave of settlement that will be arriving."

"The Minister thinks so highly of me?"

"I recognize youthful ambition and the success which has granted you influence," Zhu Fan replied neutrally. "The heiress has taken the first steps of solidifying a position. It behooves a wise man to observe the new growth that survives its first winter."

"I cannot say I have no intentions of ordering things toward my own vision of harmony, in the regions that come under my purview," Ling Qi said. "...Nor holding myself back from advising my neighbors."

"Who would be influenced by the extensive spiritual infrastructure being raised before they have done much more than break ground, regardless," Zhu Fan observed, in a voice as dry as dust.

"...I don't know if it could be called extensive."

"It is."

She ducked her head and Sixiang chuckled. "I will defer to the Minister's judgement."

He did not quite sigh aloud or anything so crass, but the flicker of irritability in his aura told her he did not believe she would. "There are several strains of thought, in the purpose of spirit pacts."

Ling Qi nodded. "Meng Duyi has taught me something of this. The Weilu method prioritizes minimizing natural disruption."

"That is how they would put it. I would say, rather, they prioritize taking advantage of and long-term shaping of already present phenomena. The imperial method prioritizes constructing optimal environments for human safety and health. I will not ask you which of these you favor, as it is obvious. But instead, I would ask what you believe the priority of a lord and their priests should be in arranging their environment."

"Is it the ease, health, and happiness of their citizens? Is it the long-term harmony and stability of one's fief, past any mortal man's lifetime, forgoing growth? Is it the productivity of the land, bolstering the wealth it produces? I would like to hear your thoughts on this matter."

Ling Qi rubbed her fingers against the armrest of her chair thoughtfully. That was an interesting way to frame it… How to answer though…

[ ] The health and happiness of one's citizens was the priority, and their ease too, as far as it contributed to those things.
[ ] Without long-term stability all other gains are ephemeral. Nothing lasts forever, but sometimes today's struggles bore tomorrow's bounties.
[ ] The productivity and bounty of a land were the direct foundation of any prosperity its people could have; it only made sense to prioritize that.
[ ] Write-In

AN: Tentatively allowing a write in here, please keep it to a couple sentances, as this is primarily a prompt to discuss spirit and land management and human/spirit relations, so keep that in mind. I retain the right to veto any particular write in.
 
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Either of the two first options imo, the last one sounds like profit maximising. Long term stability or best immediate quality of life, both have appeals.
 
Hum…
Harmony long-term is tempting, but I see the Hui there and well…
Yeah.
Stability can be considered a synonym for Stasis, that nothing can change, and once one wins in a system full of Stasis…
Well, why not use that Stasis to ensure one rules forever?

Health and happiness sounds rather good to me however. Yes indistinct in some ways but I distinct I consider a boon, instead of a vice…
But I will admit to allowing…Current events to have my ear, here.

Bounty and prosperity? Well.
Perhaps my problem is taking too much from my local reality but…
Chasing Wealth seems to hold hands with Chasing Ruin far too often for my liking. It is an old lesson, and yet one that is continually reinforced.
 
I am skeptical about the degree to which human management of an ecosystem can be done without damaging the environment long-term. The Minister doesn't seem to have any place in his question for letting wild areas stay wild.
 
"I cannot say I have no intentions of ordering things toward my own vision of harmony, in the regions that come under my purview," Ling Qi said. "...Nor holding myself back from advising my neighbors."

"Who would be influenced by the extensive spiritual infrastructure being raised before they have done much more than break ground, regardless," Zhu Fan observed, in a voice as dry as dust.

"...I don't know if it could be called extensive."

"It is."
Okay, fuck it, we need to indulge our shrine-addiction to the max, for comedy value if nothing else. We could have the spiritual ecosystem of the entire region finetuned to our neo-Weilu specifications so that any settlements that come later have no choice but to respect it.
 
Sadly, alot of our shrines are now locked behind having to build other stuff first before we can continue with it. Or locked behind the war for the Theater of Frost.
 
[ ] Without long-term stability all other gains are ephemeral. Nothing lasts forever, but sometimes today's struggles bore tomorrow's bounties.

This is, in my opinion, the main advantage of cultivators' long lifespans.
The ability to plan not for months or years, but for decades and centuries and to see the fruits of this.
An unsustainable exploitation of resources that would last for a mortal lifetime is not feasible for a cultivator one, since said resources would run out.
Planning for sustainability and in harmony with the environment from the beginning is therefore paramount for long term success.
 
[ ] Without long-term stability all other gains are ephemeral. Nothing lasts forever, but sometimes today's struggles bore tomorrow's bounties.

This is my initial inclination. You need a foundation to build further, if you want something more lasting and impressive than tents.

Heath and happiness are good, no question, but if you put the priority on them too high your people and your civilization will happily sacrifice tomorrow for today - and not even realize they're doing it.

Either of the two first options imo, the last one sounds like profit maximising.
It isn't. It really isn't.

It would be better to say it completely neglects anything but extraction and agriculture as sources of prosperity.
 
I mean, the ministry only cares about the places humans actually are, if humans are there the spirits need to be calmed or humans die. I doubt he cares what happens in some random valley hundreds of kilometers away from the nearest settlement.
So his question is to someone who will settle the Spirit courts because she decided to live there.
 
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