The Heir of the Dragon: A Rhaenyra Targaryen Quest
- Location
- United States
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Okay how does a possible civil war look with Qoren as our spouse:
Allies:
Vale
Dorne
Lean Ally:
North
Riverlands
Neutral:
Iron Islands (Opportunistic)
Crownlands (Divided)
Lean Enemy:
Velaryons
Reach
Stormlands
Enemy:
Westerlands
First note none of these are hard locked and we would have plenty of time for these to shift or lock into other sections.
I have the Velaryons leaning enemy because they seem more likely to be neutral or because of Daemon and other preceived slights would lean against us. The Reach is a divided Kingdom, but I do think hatred of the Dornish and with potentially Otto looking more towards the Westerlands for support things may get rough there, but we have more leeway. Stormlands I think is very likely to end up as an enemy given what we did to their next head of house in the joust, and marrying the Dornish isn't a big favor.
I feel as long as we support a certain lead in the North and confirm its success the North is ours, Riverlands is more fraught, but I do think we could be okay here, however this is a volatile zone especially if Larys does kill his family, we would have a lesser foothold here.
Westerlands only changes if we can maintain a positive opinion with our step-mother and likely put together a marriage alliance of one of her children to ours. Though actually seeing them as our siblings and properly fostering positive relationships with them is likely significant if we want to properly tamp this down.
I'd not be enthusiastic around having the Westerlands, with the Reach and the Stormlands to be against us, that is a powerful, fairly well connected and supplied army to deal with. I'd certainly want to try and wrench some sort of alliance with the Stormlands or the Reach to weaken the strength of that alliance.
Allies:
Vale
Dorne
Lean Ally:
North
Riverlands
Neutral:
Iron Islands (Opportunistic)
Crownlands (Divided)
Lean Enemy:
Velaryons
Reach
Stormlands
Enemy:
Westerlands
First note none of these are hard locked and we would have plenty of time for these to shift or lock into other sections.
I have the Velaryons leaning enemy because they seem more likely to be neutral or because of Daemon and other preceived slights would lean against us. The Reach is a divided Kingdom, but I do think hatred of the Dornish and with potentially Otto looking more towards the Westerlands for support things may get rough there, but we have more leeway. Stormlands I think is very likely to end up as an enemy given what we did to their next head of house in the joust, and marrying the Dornish isn't a big favor.
I feel as long as we support a certain lead in the North and confirm its success the North is ours, Riverlands is more fraught, but I do think we could be okay here, however this is a volatile zone especially if Larys does kill his family, we would have a lesser foothold here.
Westerlands only changes if we can maintain a positive opinion with our step-mother and likely put together a marriage alliance of one of her children to ours. Though actually seeing them as our siblings and properly fostering positive relationships with them is likely significant if we want to properly tamp this down.
I'd not be enthusiastic around having the Westerlands, with the Reach and the Stormlands to be against us, that is a powerful, fairly well connected and supplied army to deal with. I'd certainly want to try and wrench some sort of alliance with the Stormlands or the Reach to weaken the strength of that alliance.
I think one of the better ways to help improve our alliance outlook, if we can pull it off, would be peeling off the Hightowers from the rest of the reach. This would definitely take some doing, but especially with our strong relationship with Alicent and rapport with Gwayne, I think it would be possible with effort. Stormlands do feel kinda like a lost cause with a Dornish marriage, admittedly. Pragmatism aside, I really just want to see Otto scheming for Rhaenyra if and when the music stops and the war begins.
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- Location
- The Frozen North
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] Take His Hand (Begin Marriage Negotiations With Qoren Martell)
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
Hm. Sending the tolls to the Boltons would ensure that the Whitehills couldn't profit from their neighbors' misfortune.
On the other hand, I think establishing a firm precedent that torturing a critical witness to death can undermine a noble's case by as much or more than the testimony thus extracted helps their case... that's probably worth it, and punching the Whitehills for something we're not even sure they did seems likely to undermine that.
That's... a good realization, I hope.
I'll say this for Qoren, it sounds like the guy can charm the paint off the walls.
...
I think I'm going to abstain from the Qoren decision, unless arguments are made that sway me unexpectedly.
But I'm comfortable with the idea.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
Why would we need this to be a requirement? It actively subverts our own claim to the throne, especially if Johanna gives Dad a son at some point.
Like, I'm just not seeing how this helps us at all.
I mean.
It sounds like Qoren's got the charisma. It's not out of the question.
The complication is that Qoren may very well already have a paramour in mind. Seeing as how he's a spectacularly eligible and apparently also charming and handsome Dornishman, I'd be kind of disappointed in the guy if he didn't have a paramour.
It also tells us a fair amount about Johanna.
Perhaps unsurprisingly, Johanna has a fairly positive view of "marry the money/power."
[Alicent gets that song stuck in her head]
[Alicent blushes fiercely]
Future Raylon Tarly: "Me! Past me! Listen, this is very important, you need to know this before you start training Princess Rhaenyra. There's good news, and BAD news!"
Past Raylon: "What are you talking about, me?"
Future Raylon: "You're going to set in motion a chain of events that leads to the Prince of Dorne being seriously injured..."
Past Raylon: "I'm not seeing a downside here."
Future Raylon: "...from a broken pelvis."
Past Raylon: "..."
Both Raylons, In Unison: "AAAAAAA-"
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- Location
- Earth
We / Viserys can make up any number of reasons why we inherit before a first born son - I've already suggested we go with "all children by the first spouse ahead of other children".
I think that establishing full precedent of equal succession especially in the context of a Dornish marriage is likely to spook our future vassals. Baby steps to the destruction of the patriarchy and all that jazz
Raylon: Rhaenyra when i told you to bring Dorne into the fold i didn't mean in the folds of your bed!!
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
That just means we're making up two rules, in a way that makes us look weirdly hypocritical and makes it obvious that we're trying to do a self-serving carveout that risks creating future succession crises because it makes the succession law more involuted and debatable.
I don't think that escalates to the level of "we need to do this specific thing."
- Location
- Sweden
Ironic how in such a case Dorne being ruled by a Prince/ss unlike other kingdoms would also be explained from them being pretty much a cadet of the Targaryen dynasty.
Somic
It's meow or never
- Pronouns
- She/Her
I think we can get ourselves a nice and relaxing time on some future turn by first taking "prepare for a trip to Dragonstone" followed the next turn by "take a trip to Dragonstone" (iirc this way we get an extended one) + music + poetry for Alicent.
This coming turn, I'm still hoping to either fit a Qoren action in, or invite him to another suitable action - maybe not riding Syrax yet (we have until t16 for the next flight training action anyway...), but music might serve the double purpose of working off some of that accumulated Stress (oof this has been A Turn for that) and just hanging out. If not as much as an actual action, it's something at least.
This coming turn, I'm still hoping to either fit a Qoren action in, or invite him to another suitable action - maybe not riding Syrax yet (we have until t16 for the next flight training action anyway...), but music might serve the double purpose of working off some of that accumulated Stress (oof this has been A Turn for that) and just hanging out. If not as much as an actual action, it's something at least.
- Location
- Middle Europe
[X] Take His Hand (Begin Marriage Negotiations With Qoren Martell)
Honestly, its a good match. Hopefully we can finish the progress before things are announced, visiting Stormlands after being betrothed to Martell would be awkward.
If thats the case, Rheynera can at least have good first impression with them, even if it will be spoiled later.
Honestly, its a good match. Hopefully we can finish the progress before things are announced, visiting Stormlands after being betrothed to Martell would be awkward.
If thats the case, Rheynera can at least have good first impression with them, even if it will be spoiled later.
Somic
It's meow or never
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Well, if the timing doesn't work out this way, she could instead spend that time trying to soothe some of the ruffled feathers
crusaderking01
Warden of gays
- Pronouns
- He/They
[X] Decline The Offer
Gwayne or laenor, no other choice to me.
Also, just f**k romance options in General. Alicent only is the way.
Edit: read it more thoroughly and yeah, HARD NO. Even if i did trust him, he is a threat to our romance to alicent (fat chance she'd be fine with rhaenyra romantically loving her husband.) And that makes him a shit option by default. Add to that we'd be making more enemies than Allies and the dornish are not nearly as loyal to the martel as say the stark and it's just not worth it. We'll arrange something with our Kids if we can but martel leaves without or hand.
Gwayne or laenor, no other choice to me.
Also, just f**k romance options in General. Alicent only is the way.
Edit: read it more thoroughly and yeah, HARD NO. Even if i did trust him, he is a threat to our romance to alicent (fat chance she'd be fine with rhaenyra romantically loving her husband.) And that makes him a shit option by default. Add to that we'd be making more enemies than Allies and the dornish are not nearly as loyal to the martel as say the stark and it's just not worth it. We'll arrange something with our Kids if we can but martel leaves without or hand.
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[X] Decline The Offer
The martels don't really give the most benefits honestly and can't say i'm not leary of him messing up our relationship with alicent.
The martels don't really give the most benefits honestly and can't say i'm not leary of him messing up our relationship with alicent.
Somic
It's meow or never
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Well tbf Harwin had shown enthusiastic respect for our fighting skill even without the whole "need to charm the Targaryen princess for the good of his kingdom" thing. But one other option that we know of is, indeed, not a lot.
crusaderking01
Warden of gays
- Pronouns
- He/They
Literally laenor actually, and gwayne to a degree also ontop of protectiveness of his sister.
And both of those are safer, more garantueed to provide all possible benefits and have a lot less negatives. Like not being a danger to our relationship with alicent and not being likely to pass of half the seven kingdoms just by existing.
Seriously, Considering the living controversy we ourselves already are to the kingdoms, this is just asking for a bigger than necessary rebellion.
Somic
It's meow or never
- Pronouns
- She/Her
laenor? guaranteed? all possible benefits?
crusaderking01
Warden of gays
- Pronouns
- He/They
He's also heavily implied to be like harwin, a romance option. And a don't see alicent handling it well if we love our husband romantically aswell. And i would choose alicent over Qoren any day of the millennia. So he's a threat.
The only issue is children, and since unlike canon we'll make sure he won't be griefing his lover for years and will try harder for a Child, that won't be nearly as much of a problem as the anti laenor group thinks.laenor? guaranteed? all possible benefits?
Somic
It's meow or never
- Pronouns
- She/Her
And besides, he talked about self-acceptance and how denying your own nature leads to misery in front of Alicent "Just Getting Out Of Her Shell" Hightower and she was nodding with a blank look while obviously having Feelings on the inside. If he doesn't push too far - and I think he won't, being as good at people as he is - he might end up as a source of comfort to Alicent, someone who seemingly saw right through her and expressed something she had struggled with for so long like there was nothing shameful about it whatsoever.
- Location
- Not the asylum anymore
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Polyamory is an option; hell, it's probably mandatory. Alicent certainly will need to be talked to, but we've already cracked her conservatism, and at least on paper, I think she's signaled being okay with being a mistress- which means infidelity. An obstacle, but not an insurmountable one.
crusaderking01
Warden of gays
- Pronouns
- He/They
Being okay with being a mistress on paper is one thing. The implication was that she'd still be the one rhaenyra loved. I really don't see alicent willingly sharing rhaenyra romantically aswell.