Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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Dinosaurs came in many flavors. Like potato chips.
According to my time zone that vote result was from Feb 5, 2025 at 1:47 PM.
Your vote was cast at 2:46 AM on Feb 6. It wasn't picked up because DP didn't cast the vote again, probably because no one voted for anything else.
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Honestly, I really really really want this to happen, especially if it happens at her parents house again so that we can watch Charity throw her hands up in the air xDIf we somehow got both I imagine the reaction would be quite strong. Especially from Uriel, whose words we're taking as justification to try redeeming ancient monsters. Think we can get another visit via sheet exasperation?
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with the corpse.
Ok, this is a good point. I do not necessarily mean to turn it away from being of darkness. Only to accept the light. Lydia is its spiritual cousin, many times removed - also a being of darkness of sorts (she is death aligned, can process necrotic Essence, is a product of Kemmler's and dreamed of this place when she was a child), and she exists under the sun just fine, and is better for it. Instead of completely switching its nature (not sure if it's possible, and it would be a harder sell) in the sense of its metaphysical setup, I think instead we could try to expand what it is. We are also a user of tainted power, and we are weclome in God's grace, and we are expanding Creation, making new things.
Oh, that's brilliant, actually. It tempts me to either switch or expand my vote. I'll hold off for a moment, I tend to be overly verbose and fall into purple prose, but something akin "if you dream about the world without the sun, know that such exists, and you are looking at her" is a very strong argument to open with. Because Molly is an Outsider by definition at the moment, even if no one but (some) angels seem to have realized in yet. And yet she's welcome in Creation. She expands the Reality, instead of competing with it. That might be an angle. Instead of using
we may want to use this. If it wants a world without the sun, a realm to exist in, give it one. Expand Reality, so he doesn't need to conflict with what's already there, but can exist alongside it, and, ideally, aligned with it. Make his dream world dependent on Creation existing. Channel the Ocean's dreadful ways below into a new sort of Uncreation. Define the endless depth by the sun's light. We do have some experience making new realms of existence with the Forge.
Or is that totally insane?
Yeah, those are good goals. Should I switch my Crown question? I want to know what it is exactly, because some of my theories are rather worrying, but some other question might be more immediately useful.
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We need more votes. Not necessarily for my plan, @BronzeTongue is also good, but we need more votes.
[X] Plan Devil and the Deep Dark Sea
-[X] Full social buffs and FPoR
-[X] Try to tempt the spirit into taking a deal to interact with the living in a more hospitable way in our service, the goal being to build towards a personal rebirth into something that can truly live instead of merely exist.
-[X] Attempt to use MiS and FSB to allow the shadow something closer to life.
-[X] [Stunt]: Straightening up to her full height, Molly drank deeply of her own distant light - setting the colors of an alien dawn flickering behind her eyes.
—[X] "You asked us if it would be so bad to live without the sun, but I'm more interested in your answer" meeting its empty eyes, a poisonous curiosity seeped into her voice. "You watch the sea, but seek the surface. Mock the living for their delusions, but seep into those prisons of bone to steal them".
—[X] "You are of the dark's hunger, but do not want to be satisfied". The smile of a child filled to bursting with a secret cut across her face like a knife as she leaned forward. "Isn't the light beautiful? Are not the dreams tantalizing?"
—-[X] "Is this really enough for you?". The radiance of her anima burned with new intensity, but did not banish or pierce the darkness so much as reach out to it.
—[X] "You know what I am too. The wheel turns, and in my strange eons why must you eternal lie?"
It's more reckless than I usually go for, and I don't think it'll win at this point, but I'm going to vote for my own plan anyway.
Much like an animal trapped by a box propped up over some food with a stick, the bait is just too tempting for me to ignore.
-[X] Full social buffs and FPoR
-[X] Try to tempt the spirit into taking a deal to interact with the living in a more hospitable way in our service, the goal being to build towards a personal rebirth into something that can truly live instead of merely exist.
-[X] Attempt to use MiS and FSB to allow the shadow something closer to life.
-[X] [Stunt]: Straightening up to her full height, Molly drank deeply of her own distant light - setting the colors of an alien dawn flickering behind her eyes.
—[X] "You asked us if it would be so bad to live without the sun, but I'm more interested in your answer" meeting its empty eyes, a poisonous curiosity seeped into her voice. "You watch the sea, but seek the surface. Mock the living for their delusions, but seep into those prisons of bone to steal them".
—[X] "You are of the dark's hunger, but do not want to be satisfied". The smile of a child filled to bursting with a secret cut across her face like a knife as she leaned forward. "Isn't the light beautiful? Are not the dreams tantalizing?"
—-[X] "Is this really enough for you?". The radiance of her anima burned with new intensity, but did not banish or pierce the darkness so much as reach out to it.
—[X] "You know what I am too. The wheel turns, and in my strange eons why must you eternal lie?"
It's more reckless than I usually go for, and I don't think it'll win at this point, but I'm going to vote for my own plan anyway.
Much like an animal trapped by a box propped up over some food with a stick, the bait is just too tempting for me to ignore.
If my vote wins, and things go smoothly, I can definitely see myself voting for your plan next turn.
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[X] Plan Devil and the Deep Dark Sea
-[X] Full social buffs and FPoR
-[X] Try to tempt the spirit into taking a deal to interact with the living in a more hospitable way in our service, the goal being to build towards a personal rebirth into something that can truly live instead of merely exist.
-[X] Attempt to use MiS and FSB to allow the shadow something closer to life.
-[X] [Stunt]: Straightening up to her full height, Molly drank deeply of her own distant light - setting the colors of an alien dawn flickering behind her eyes.
—[X] "You asked us if it would be so bad to live without the sun, but I'm more interested in your answer" meeting its empty eyes, a poisonous curiosity seeped into her voice. "You watch the sea, but seek the surface. Mock the living for their delusions, but seep into those prisons of bone to steal them".
—[X] "You are of the dark's hunger, but do not want to be satisfied". The smile of a child filled to bursting with a secret cut across her face like a knife as she leaned forward. "Isn't the light beautiful? Are not the dreams tantalizing?"
—-[X] "Is this really enough for you?". The radiance of her anima burned with new intensity, but did not banish or pierce the darkness so much as reach out to it.
—[X] "You know what I am too. The wheel turns, and in my strange eons why must you eternal lie?"
I think that's its very aesthetic, and extremely well written and reasoned.
-[X] Full social buffs and FPoR
-[X] Try to tempt the spirit into taking a deal to interact with the living in a more hospitable way in our service, the goal being to build towards a personal rebirth into something that can truly live instead of merely exist.
-[X] Attempt to use MiS and FSB to allow the shadow something closer to life.
-[X] [Stunt]: Straightening up to her full height, Molly drank deeply of her own distant light - setting the colors of an alien dawn flickering behind her eyes.
—[X] "You asked us if it would be so bad to live without the sun, but I'm more interested in your answer" meeting its empty eyes, a poisonous curiosity seeped into her voice. "You watch the sea, but seek the surface. Mock the living for their delusions, but seep into those prisons of bone to steal them".
—[X] "You are of the dark's hunger, but do not want to be satisfied". The smile of a child filled to bursting with a secret cut across her face like a knife as she leaned forward. "Isn't the light beautiful? Are not the dreams tantalizing?"
—-[X] "Is this really enough for you?". The radiance of her anima burned with new intensity, but did not banish or pierce the darkness so much as reach out to it.
—[X] "You know what I am too. The wheel turns, and in my strange eons why must you eternal lie?"
I think that's its very aesthetic, and extremely well written and reasoned.
[X] Plan Devil and the Deep Dark Sea
For the record, this is a somewhat significant gamble. Not trying to talk down my own plan, but I don't want anyone to be surprised if something catches on fire.
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[X] Plan Devil and the Deep Dark Sea
Can't not vote for that name.
Can't not vote for that name.
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Yeahh I don't know about gambling with what could actually be the gatekeeper of a whole ocean of Neverborn Angst.
[X] Yog
I don't mind figuring out the nature of the thing in front of us. I just think that what it hinted at (it being of the ocean it may be guarding, and thus not able to be corrupted by it) might be true. My goals are more about what I'm looking for out of this scene over all. My enemy priorities are:
1- Outsiders
2- Red Court
3- Mikaboshi
4- Fallen
5- Other Things
My priority here is to not accidentally open a new problem in a stable system. Maybe we can long-term negotiate with Lamentations, maybe we'll have retain the low amount of Black Court problems from Lamentations but neither outcome is going to soak up more of our AP about it. If Lamentations is acting as a warden for this ocean then I really don't want to fight it and end up needing to be/make a new warden. It might not be wrong about the corruption of anything not of that ocean. The Nephilim above is a long term project either way, so I think this area is going to take some AP every turn if it doesn't blow up. No need to rush.
What we're going to need to spend an insane amount of AP on is the Red Court if we don't want a total bloodbath for the mortal populace. Too much of the mortal governance is compromised, too much of the local spirit/deity ecosystem is compromised, and if we're going nuclear with the kind of media story that's known for the fall of the Black Court we're gonna really need to do a crazy amount of effort working the various hooks out of Central+South America+Mexico with minimal damage before we go full exterminator. Frankly I think we need an off-ramp for Red Court vampires even if our goal is tearing apart "The Red Court" but that's not really what we're talking about right now.
Basically: I want the outcome of this necropolis investigation to be stable and eat a low amount of AP over time as we figure out more of what's going on with it. Having to find/make a new warden doesn't sound like it'd be a low amount of AP, and trying to negotiate before we know what we're talking to is a strange thing to do. It's plausible that the Nephilim above is still serving as a guard against Lamentations after all. I don't think it's that likely, but it's possible.
[X] Yog
I don't mind figuring out the nature of the thing in front of us. I just think that what it hinted at (it being of the ocean it may be guarding, and thus not able to be corrupted by it) might be true. My goals are more about what I'm looking for out of this scene over all. My enemy priorities are:
1- Outsiders
2- Red Court
3- Mikaboshi
4- Fallen
5- Other Things
My priority here is to not accidentally open a new problem in a stable system. Maybe we can long-term negotiate with Lamentations, maybe we'll have retain the low amount of Black Court problems from Lamentations but neither outcome is going to soak up more of our AP about it. If Lamentations is acting as a warden for this ocean then I really don't want to fight it and end up needing to be/make a new warden. It might not be wrong about the corruption of anything not of that ocean. The Nephilim above is a long term project either way, so I think this area is going to take some AP every turn if it doesn't blow up. No need to rush.
What we're going to need to spend an insane amount of AP on is the Red Court if we don't want a total bloodbath for the mortal populace. Too much of the mortal governance is compromised, too much of the local spirit/deity ecosystem is compromised, and if we're going nuclear with the kind of media story that's known for the fall of the Black Court we're gonna really need to do a crazy amount of effort working the various hooks out of Central+South America+Mexico with minimal damage before we go full exterminator. Frankly I think we need an off-ramp for Red Court vampires even if our goal is tearing apart "The Red Court" but that's not really what we're talking about right now.
Basically: I want the outcome of this necropolis investigation to be stable and eat a low amount of AP over time as we figure out more of what's going on with it. Having to find/make a new warden doesn't sound like it'd be a low amount of AP, and trying to negotiate before we know what we're talking to is a strange thing to do. It's plausible that the Nephilim above is still serving as a guard against Lamentations after all. I don't think it's that likely, but it's possible.
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In (very limited) defense of my plan, the goal isn't to do everything right now. If it actually goes well then the deal would be that it changes to become less hostile while still keeping a lid on things here, with improvements to roll out over time. Like what we did with Porter or sort of Tiffany.
Still very risky, but I wasn't thinking we'd take this critter home in full form today.
My theory for that thing is goes something like this: The Ocean is a sorta-primordial / sorta Neverborn (Primordial whose concepts are entirely centered around Oblivion / Death), and the thing is its Jotun / Fetich. Only it's not fully complete / awaken / alive / formed. The Ocean is still without mind, and the Lamentations of the Void is not fully formed. Possibly sorta kinda like the quote I gave about Shadow of the Dragon before Unconquered Sun was made. Old things sleeping inside it might be Neverborn.
Essentially, the ocean is oil formed from dead dinosaurs decomposing inside it, and the oil is on the brink of gaining sentience.
In order to "redeem" it we have to cause what's essentially Fetich Birth (as opposed to Fetich Death).
If I am right, and that's a very big if, we might get to aspect its traits and themes.
Actually, we might be focusing on the wrong end of the problem. Lamentations of the Void is bound to the Ocean. We are focusing on dealing with Lamentations of the Void. Maybe we should consider focusing on the Ocean? Because, in principle, we have more tools for that, than we have for dealing with Lamentations of the Void:
1) TLF for 1 essence is a scene-long perfect defense against environmental dangers. The Ocean is an environment
2) RVD allows us to traverse the whole thing, even if its infinite. We have limited speed in real world because we move from one pool of water to the other. Here, it's one thing only. We should be able to reach its infinitely far shores or bottom with it. I think
3) BSM gives protects us from any aquatic environment, and allows us clear perception for " at least 200 yards despite impediments such as churning silt or being in the absolute darkness of the sub-light layers of the ocean"
4) Hellscry chakra (while RVD'd) should allow us to locate creatures of darkness inside the ocean, if only to avoid them
5) Previously, it was ruled that Lydia can Command the Dead crude oil. So, she might be able to Command the Dead the Ocean itself if it is, in fact, fermented remains of dead primordials. Lamentations of the Void probably has perfect defenses, but the Ocean doesn't seem to have a mind of its own, much less defenses. If that works, well, the sky is the limit, and we could remake it in many ways (for example, Lydia could command it to die, and then use Rest Granting Strike on it). Exalted Charms are perfect and scale strangely. This would be a feat that should probably propel Lydia to either elder essence or at least celestial tier, though.
If Lydia can take control of the ocean, she could also try to make it ignite, or compress itself until fusion is achieved. There are a lot of Henderson-worthy options here, quite possibly. Something to think about.
1) TLF for 1 essence is a scene-long perfect defense against environmental dangers. The Ocean is an environment
2) RVD allows us to traverse the whole thing, even if its infinite. We have limited speed in real world because we move from one pool of water to the other. Here, it's one thing only. We should be able to reach its infinitely far shores or bottom with it. I think
3) BSM gives protects us from any aquatic environment, and allows us clear perception for " at least 200 yards despite impediments such as churning silt or being in the absolute darkness of the sub-light layers of the ocean"
4) Hellscry chakra (while RVD'd) should allow us to locate creatures of darkness inside the ocean, if only to avoid them
5) Previously, it was ruled that Lydia can Command the Dead crude oil. So, she might be able to Command the Dead the Ocean itself if it is, in fact, fermented remains of dead primordials. Lamentations of the Void probably has perfect defenses, but the Ocean doesn't seem to have a mind of its own, much less defenses. If that works, well, the sky is the limit, and we could remake it in many ways (for example, Lydia could command it to die, and then use Rest Granting Strike on it). Exalted Charms are perfect and scale strangely. This would be a feat that should probably propel Lydia to either elder essence or at least celestial tier, though.
If Lydia can take control of the ocean, she could also try to make it ignite, or compress itself until fusion is achieved. There are a lot of Henderson-worthy options here, quite possibly. Something to think about.
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…..I'm not convinced that this is anything like water or even liquid such that Boiling Sea Mastery might apply.
Also gonna say that I think there's a big difference between oil made out of….plants and animals, and ?oil? made out of a Neverborn. Big difference.
Also. Uh. Pretty sure you can't kill the neverborn like that. Historical precedent suggests that Lydia cannot, actually, kill a Dead Primordial extra dead.
I'm also going to say that I'm pretty sure merging with Cecelyne would not permit you to traverse her in less than 5 days, and by that same principle it is likely you can't reach the bottom of an infinite "ocean" that easily.
Also gonna say that I think there's a big difference between oil made out of….plants and animals, and ?oil? made out of a Neverborn. Big difference.
Also. Uh. Pretty sure you can't kill the neverborn like that. Historical precedent suggests that Lydia cannot, actually, kill a Dead Primordial extra dead.
I'm also going to say that I'm pretty sure merging with Cecelyne would not permit you to traverse her in less than 5 days, and by that same principle it is likely you can't reach the bottom of an infinite "ocean" that easily.