Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
- Location
- Formerly of the Far Realm
Is it time to kill it yet?
Not quite sure what this sentence is supposed to be saying.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
- Thread starter DragonParadox
- Start date
- Crossover Fantasy
Missing the word 'waters', now fixed.
So what, this thing is the source of the blampires? Some bit of darkness turned on itself because it wants to be hungry more than it wants to be full?
I wonder if we could turn that just a little bit further, have this thing not so much rise as fall in reverse.
This thing likes taking the appearance of a child, but isn't good at it. It mocks life, but also defends it. Walks abroad to look in on a world it isn't part of. There's leverage somewhere in there.
I wonder if we could turn that just a little bit further, have this thing not so much rise as fall in reverse.
This thing likes taking the appearance of a child, but isn't good at it. It mocks life, but also defends it. Walks abroad to look in on a world it isn't part of. There's leverage somewhere in there.
Turn Blampires into Mummies. If Solars could be flipped into Abyssals, why not do this in reverse?
Since Lydia rolled, and we didn't need to, could you clarify what this is? Is it Neverborn of Kimbery (or, given how inversion happen, of Cecelyne)? Is it the Maw of Oblivion? The oil produced from the corpses of endless gods?
@DragonParadox does Molly grasp enough deep lore to know that the world before the sun had no shadows either? To answer this part:
Also, highlighted a superfluous the.
Hmm, options:
1) Try for spirit killing charms. Might well be possible.
2) Talk it into trying to experience death from a new perspective - death as transformation. Trick it into consenting to a transformation of a kind. Then use exalted BS to flip him. @DragonParadox what does arcane lore say about, in principle, flipping his polarity. Night into day, death into rebirth? Void into Nirvana?
That is beyond both Lydia and Molly, the roll was to see if you would know not to touch the bad water
An Archangel told Molly that the Fallen are not beyond redemption, Aakebushu seems less wicked them than because it was always (?) like this but at the same time she can't be sure if it would work until she understands just what she's speaking to and whence it came.
I am not entirely sure it used quenched as in he would get rid if his thirst, rather than quenched as in extinguishing a fire or snuffing something out (so meaning that he would be killed by it too if it happened).
[Joke] Plan Deep dive
-[Joke] Activate TLF with essence
-[Joke] Activate Rendered Villain Dispersal
More seriously, I am thinking. Essence is a bit tight, and we get no regeneration. @DragonParadox can Lydia use Akashic Root Methodology counting the Lamentation of the Void as "cooperating expert"?
-[Joke] Activate TLF with essence
-[Joke] Activate Rendered Villain Dispersal
More seriously, I am thinking. Essence is a bit tight, and we get no regeneration. @DragonParadox can Lydia use Akashic Root Methodology counting the Lamentation of the Void as "cooperating expert"?
You would have to convince it to cooperate, it seems talkative at the moment, but not to the point of deep occult debate.
[X] Keep it talking, if it's going to give you free insights you won't say no
-[X] Activate All Things Betray with Willpower, Empathy excellency
-[X] Use the Crown on the scene to understand the true nature of the thing in front of you
--[X] If a roll is needed to understand the results, activate Occult Excellency
-[X] "You speak of the world without sun being free, but have you ever thought that the Sun was born... so shadows would exist?" you speak, leading, goading the dreadful being into speaking more.
Up to 3 motes, yes. But this should be the boss battle (unless we wake up the Neverborn sleeping deep below), and it's important, I think. So, try talking. And before anyone says anything about Molly not knowing the history of the Dragon's Shadow and Unconquered Sun, the question is philosophical, even if it does reference that. Molly knows that God is forgiving, Molly knows that humans predate the Sun, Molly knows that none are beyond redemption, if they can believe themselves to be. Creation can have a place for this being, if it can have a place for Creation in its soul-equivalent.
-[X] Activate All Things Betray with Willpower, Empathy excellency
-[X] Use the Crown on the scene to understand the true nature of the thing in front of you
--[X] If a roll is needed to understand the results, activate Occult Excellency
-[X] "You speak of the world without sun being free, but have you ever thought that the Sun was born... so shadows would exist?" you speak, leading, goading the dreadful being into speaking more.
Up to 3 motes, yes. But this should be the boss battle (unless we wake up the Neverborn sleeping deep below), and it's important, I think. So, try talking. And before anyone says anything about Molly not knowing the history of the Dragon's Shadow and Unconquered Sun, the question is philosophical, even if it does reference that. Molly knows that God is forgiving, Molly knows that humans predate the Sun, Molly knows that none are beyond redemption, if they can believe themselves to be. Creation can have a place for this being, if it can have a place for Creation in its soul-equivalent.
Ivar
Dark Reaper
- Location
- Russia Moscow
[X] Keep it talking, if it's going to give you free insights you won't say no
-[X] Activate All Things Betray with Willpower, Empathy excellency
-[X] Use the Crown on the scene to understand the true nature of the thing in front of you
--[X] If a roll is needed to understand the results, activate Occult Excellency
-[X] "You speak of the world without sun being free, but have you ever thought that the Sun was born... so shadows would exist?" you speak, leading, goading the dreadful being into speaking more.
-[X] Activate All Things Betray with Willpower, Empathy excellency
-[X] Use the Crown on the scene to understand the true nature of the thing in front of you
--[X] If a roll is needed to understand the results, activate Occult Excellency
-[X] "You speak of the world without sun being free, but have you ever thought that the Sun was born... so shadows would exist?" you speak, leading, goading the dreadful being into speaking more.
[] Plan Devil and the Deep Dark Sea
-[] Full social buffs and FPoR
-[] Try to tempt the spirit into taking a deal to interact with the living in a more hospitable way in our service, the goal being to build towards a personal rebirth into something that can truly live instead of merely exist.
-[] Attempt to use MiS and FSB to allow the shadow something closer to life.
-[] [Stunt]: Straightening up to her full height, Molly drank deeply of her own distant light - setting the colors of an alien dawn flickering behind her eyes.
—[] "You asked us if it would be so bad to live without the sun, but I'm more interested in your answer" meeting its empty eyes, a poisonous curiosity seeped into her voice. "You watch the sea, but seek the surface. Mock the living for their delusions, but seep into those prisons of bone to steal them".
—[] "You are of the dark's hunger, but do not want to be satisfied". The smile of a child filled to bursting with a secret cut across her face like a knife as she leaned forward. "Isn't the light beautiful? Are not the dreams tantalizing?"
—-[] "Is this really enough for you?". The radiance of her anima burned with new intensity, but did not banish or pierce the darkness so much as reach out to it.
—[] "You know what I am too. The wheel turns, and in my strange eons why must you eternal lie?"
I'm basically trying to copy Kemmler, Lucifer, and technically Uriel's homework here in different places.
To pressure this thing along a fault line in its nature and present it with a choice that places something it really wants on the side that resolves in our favor. I want to make this piece of darkness that's turned to look at itself to reject the whole in favor of us.
In terms of making something happen to help it, I'm hoping that getting it to change would reflavor its nature a bit and that we can play with Molly's own themes to help it more. Rebirth is a huge portion of Molly's growing mythos, and she can shelter supernaturals from their own natures to a fairly significant extent.
It's a bit of a stretch, but I wonder if the Second Coming splendor feature could serve as a lever too:
Yes it's for the newly dead, but we have options for that.
Imagine say a ritual killing, embalming, and resurrection performed with a splendor of perfect restoration under the hand of a living reincarnation system on a dead thing fallen to her service for the sake of true life. Perhaps combined with an embodiment like what we did for Tiffany.
This is probably a bad idea, and it's hard to tell how viable it is in the first place, but it's a tempting sort of crazy.
Even if the offer fails I bet the reaction would be informative.
Thoughts on the viability of this particular intrusive mad science thought @DragonParadox ?
-[] Full social buffs and FPoR
-[] Try to tempt the spirit into taking a deal to interact with the living in a more hospitable way in our service, the goal being to build towards a personal rebirth into something that can truly live instead of merely exist.
-[] Attempt to use MiS and FSB to allow the shadow something closer to life.
-[] [Stunt]: Straightening up to her full height, Molly drank deeply of her own distant light - setting the colors of an alien dawn flickering behind her eyes.
—[] "You asked us if it would be so bad to live without the sun, but I'm more interested in your answer" meeting its empty eyes, a poisonous curiosity seeped into her voice. "You watch the sea, but seek the surface. Mock the living for their delusions, but seep into those prisons of bone to steal them".
—[] "You are of the dark's hunger, but do not want to be satisfied". The smile of a child filled to bursting with a secret cut across her face like a knife as she leaned forward. "Isn't the light beautiful? Are not the dreams tantalizing?"
—-[] "Is this really enough for you?". The radiance of her anima burned with new intensity, but did not banish or pierce the darkness so much as reach out to it.
—[] "You know what I am too. The wheel turns, and in my strange eons why must you eternal lie?"
I'm basically trying to copy Kemmler, Lucifer, and technically Uriel's homework here in different places.
To pressure this thing along a fault line in its nature and present it with a choice that places something it really wants on the side that resolves in our favor. I want to make this piece of darkness that's turned to look at itself to reject the whole in favor of us.
In terms of making something happen to help it, I'm hoping that getting it to change would reflavor its nature a bit and that we can play with Molly's own themes to help it more. Rebirth is a huge portion of Molly's growing mythos, and she can shelter supernaturals from their own natures to a fairly significant extent.
It's a bit of a stretch, but I wonder if the Second Coming splendor feature could serve as a lever too:
Yes it's for the newly dead, but we have options for that.
Imagine say a ritual killing, embalming, and resurrection performed with a splendor of perfect restoration under the hand of a living reincarnation system on a dead thing fallen to her service for the sake of true life. Perhaps combined with an embodiment like what we did for Tiffany.
This is probably a bad idea, and it's hard to tell how viable it is in the first place, but it's a tempting sort of crazy.
Even if the offer fails I bet the reaction would be informative.
Thoughts on the viability of this particular intrusive mad science thought @DragonParadox ?
BoredMan
Dinosaurs came in many flavors. Like potato chips.
So did the last one expire or what.
I assume so, but let's check. @DragonParadox ?
I like the plan in general, was actually going to propose something essentially similar. Surprisingly enough I think our roles as vote crafters are a bit reversed here. I am going for a more slow burn here. We were told that before we can offer redemption, we need to know what it is, and where it comes from:
So, with my vote I am trying to gather more information, engage it more, "reel it in" as it was. I'll be offering to experience the life under the sun next turn, after we gather a bit more intel.
Yes, you are in a new scene.
Black vampires and mummies are not opposite in any considerable way. Which is to say mummies as far as we know them are more alive than any being. On a level that kind the spell of life that reanimates them leaves them more whole than when they died. On top of being perfectly immortal eventually recovering from death when they are slain.
They also came in two different varieties. The original Mummies which were not dissimilar to Black vampires except still whole spirits that essentially gained enough strength to walk back into the living world through their bound bodies which were warm and had a heart and beating blood they were not particularly strong in life force and the Amenti.
The Amenti are considerably more similar to the exalted if exaltations were made of shattered mortal Souls (The Great Malstrom swept through the the Egyptian afterlife sundering untold numbers of them) forged by a God to be attached to a recently deceased human.
Possessed of more sensitive senses by which to relish their new life, the ability to create new life in any given way, while fully in possession with their true names. Not to mention the Myriad of Supernatural Powers they also get from being Resurrected though as far as I can tell these Powers exist in both varieties while the sensitive senses the ability to create new life and the more powerful life force belong to the Amenti.
The black vampires on the other hand as far as I can tell just corpses filled with necrotic energy that maybe thinks it's the person that the corpse belonged to. That's why he's called Not Nathanael Cobbler when we asked who he was. As well as the black vampires that were raised in the white Council Crypt that were just straight up not even the Wizards just necrotic spirits that were riding in those old bodies.
Other than that love the plan.
[X] Keep it talking, if it's going to give you free insights you won't say no
-[X] Activate All Things Betray with Willpower, Empathy excellency
-[X] Use the Crown on the scene to understand the true nature of the thing in front of you
--[X] If a roll is needed to understand the results, activate Occult Excellency
-[X] "You speak of the world without sun being free, but have you ever thought that the Sun was born... so shadows would exist?" you speak, leading, goading the dreadful being into speaking more.
That's fair, and actually kind of a funny reversal.
More information is good, my main motive for jumping in from the start was a conversational opening he gave. It was too tempting a hook to pass up.
I like your general approach, but I think the focus is a little off.
If we want to offer him new life as something "fallen" to us from the shadows I'm not sure starting from the position of the sun allowing them to exist fits in smoothly.
- Pronouns
- She/Her
[X] Keep it talking, if it's going to give you free insights you won't say no
-[X] Activate All Things Betray with Willpower, Empathy excellency
-[X] Use the Crown on the scene to understand the true nature of the thing in front of you
--[X] If a roll is needed to understand the results, activate Occult Excellency
-[X] "You speak of the world without sun being free, but have you ever thought that the Sun was born... so shadows would exist?" you speak, leading, goading the dreadful being into speaking more.
Black stars, I am going to die cackling if we manage to flip the entity behind the black court and yet another fallen angel xD
If Molly manages this, I can absolutely see Mack doing a spit take in the middle of serving drinks
[] Plan Devil and the Deep Dark Sea
Okay, this is actually fantastic oratory imo? I dunno if Molly has the knowledge to offer this Quite yet tho?
-[X] Activate All Things Betray with Willpower, Empathy excellency
-[X] Use the Crown on the scene to understand the true nature of the thing in front of you
--[X] If a roll is needed to understand the results, activate Occult Excellency
-[X] "You speak of the world without sun being free, but have you ever thought that the Sun was born... so shadows would exist?" you speak, leading, goading the dreadful being into speaking more.
Black stars, I am going to die cackling if we manage to flip the entity behind the black court and yet another fallen angel xD
If Molly manages this, I can absolutely see Mack doing a spit take in the middle of serving drinks
[] Plan Devil and the Deep Dark Sea
Okay, this is actually fantastic oratory imo? I dunno if Molly has the knowledge to offer this Quite yet tho?
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If we somehow got both I imagine the reaction would be quite strong. Especially from Uriel, whose words we're taking as justification to try redeeming ancient monsters. Think we can get another visit via sheet exasperation?
I think the only marginal bit is the "my strange eons" line, and that's the sort of thing that slips into infernal thoughts pretty naturally.
We shouldn't consider it "fallen". It was never not fallen - this is why I am using a question from the Crown. I would actually use two, but we are on a limited budget. It is something that exists within god's grace, seemingly. We are not redeeming it, we are, in essence, baptizing a heathen, rather than giving salvation to a heretic. Hey, that's an idea... Blasphemy to the max, and baptize it using the waters of this dark ocean, with pure intent and a lot of magic. Befoul the dark waters with holy grace. Only mostly joking.
It also doesn't exist in the shadows. It exists within and is of the darkness. Here, let me give you a quote:
Tell me that this isn't relevant. Tell me it doesn't mirror the current situation, where the Heir of Theion is talking to an ancient force of Malevolence and Corruption that lays almost impotent under the surface of Creation, greater than almost any terror ever imagined in this Age, but as faint and forgettable as the slightest whisper, whose designs were defeated by mortals' tale.
Molly doesn't know this IC, not unless we trigger Past Lives very strongly here. But the parallel is there. I am actually so, so tempted to ask the crown "how can the being like this be reforged" or something like this, to see how and why Sol Invictus was made.
I am angling for something like this:
Lamentations of the Void (LV for short): Sun limits Creation, it would be nice if sun didn't exist
Molly: Sun expands the range of things that are possible in Creation, including by its absence
Everything after this is speculative, and shouldn't be taken as part of the current plan. Current plan needs feedback.
Molly next: Instead of taking a reductionist approach, by trying to remove the sun, take a constructive one, by creating new things that interact with the sun, including by expanding and remaking yourself
LV: I don't try to expand outwards, because if I win, I will also be consumed
Molly: Let me help you, so you can't be consumed by the Ocean
I want to offer him life in the world, perhaps akin to how Dragon's Shadow was given life under the Unconquered Sol, but needed participate in making an embodiment of all Virtue. Though I really would like it not to be malevolent. At least no more malevolent than Mab, I guess. I can live with ruthless.
I would laugh and laugh if we pull this off... We even have an angel a bit upstairs, who, in our vision, was a star, and who came here to do good.
We could also, in principle, play the "aliens are real" thing. It doesn't seem to have any sort of cosmic awareness perspective, so countering the argument about life's delusions with "life exists in many permutations, not only organic" might be worthwhile... Hey, we could bring up spirits. Those already exist.
And I am rambling, I think. I'll stop.
I can see it, but there are too many unknowns. I want to know what this thing is. "part of me is always in the ocean" worries me - we might be talking to a Fetich of a Neverborn/Yozi of sorts. Or even a Jotun. With the Ocean being its world body containing imprisoned Neverborn. It has been ages, I can see a Primordial arising in the Underworld.
I'm using that language because that's what DP used for cyber devils changing to team Molly. There's a metaphysical aspect to this.
Those waters are not aligned to our purposes, seems like a bad mechanism.
My point is that if we're trying to offer it something other than being in and of darkness then this a weird way to start, because this is talking about the place of darkness in creation.
- Location
- The Space Between
Uhm. This thing is asserting that it's sitting here pressing down on the ocean and is incorruptible by it because it is of it. It seems like the Hunger understands that without Creation there can be no eating, and so it will keep the urge to undo creation down so that it can keep eating.
"Would it truly be so bad, a world without sun" is interesting because even though the FFC don't have a Sun they still conceive of an esoteric term called "Sun" that's similar to Yang. If they're being literal then we already know of a world without a sun. If they mean a total Oblivion of uncreation, well. It wouldn't be bad or good or anything at all. It simply wouldn't be
This thing seems like it'll keep if we leave for now. I think trying to puzzle out this place and this keeper are better off being projects than being a one-off adventure. A place in Creation that can support magic from the 2nd Creation? Means it could probably support the energy of an Abyssal Exalt yeah? That could be what Lamentations of the Void is, an Abyssal that prefers existence to servitude to the Neverborn. Maybe something stranger, but it'd be a fairly alright place for an Abyssal to hang out.
In any case, this situation seems fairly stable and favorable to Creation right now. Without us having attacked a potential jailor of things worse than itself
My goals would be:
Figure out if it's going to keep the watch on the ocean if we leave (and if that's doing anything important)
Figure out if it prefers Creation to total oblivion (roughly "on our side" as it were)
Figure out if the Nephilim above is guarding against Lamentations of the Void or if the Nephilim is merely crippled, blinded and hopeless (can it/he leave without risking Creation)
Figure out if visiting this place regularly will disrupt it
I sort of get the vibe that it invests into others out of boredom rather than a desire to unmake creation. That said, it could be both boredom and he needs to make some effort to unmake Creation in order to keep the Neverborn restful. I duno. Maybe we try to figure that out this time around, maybe we don't. Kinda okay with letting this sit backburner rather than trying to resolve it all right now. I definitely don't want to fight the being that implies it's a watchful warden of these dire waters
"Would it truly be so bad, a world without sun" is interesting because even though the FFC don't have a Sun they still conceive of an esoteric term called "Sun" that's similar to Yang. If they're being literal then we already know of a world without a sun. If they mean a total Oblivion of uncreation, well. It wouldn't be bad or good or anything at all. It simply wouldn't be
This thing seems like it'll keep if we leave for now. I think trying to puzzle out this place and this keeper are better off being projects than being a one-off adventure. A place in Creation that can support magic from the 2nd Creation? Means it could probably support the energy of an Abyssal Exalt yeah? That could be what Lamentations of the Void is, an Abyssal that prefers existence to servitude to the Neverborn. Maybe something stranger, but it'd be a fairly alright place for an Abyssal to hang out.
In any case, this situation seems fairly stable and favorable to Creation right now. Without us having attacked a potential jailor of things worse than itself
My goals would be:
Figure out if it's going to keep the watch on the ocean if we leave (and if that's doing anything important)
Figure out if it prefers Creation to total oblivion (roughly "on our side" as it were)
Figure out if the Nephilim above is guarding against Lamentations of the Void or if the Nephilim is merely crippled, blinded and hopeless (can it/he leave without risking Creation)
Figure out if visiting this place regularly will disrupt it
I sort of get the vibe that it invests into others out of boredom rather than a desire to unmake creation. That said, it could be both boredom and he needs to make some effort to unmake Creation in order to keep the Neverborn restful. I duno. Maybe we try to figure that out this time around, maybe we don't. Kinda okay with letting this sit backburner rather than trying to resolve it all right now. I definitely don't want to fight the being that implies it's a watchful warden of these dire waters
- Location
- Right Where I Am
That count did not include my vote. What I voted for won, but it wasn't counting everyone. I've seen that happen a few times over the course of this quest.