Honestly, if Rhaenyra married the Prince of Dorne, estabilishing the succession would be an headache.
Its only a headache in GRRMs bizarre fantasy world where each castle has been ruled by one house for millennia.

In reality, there's lots of different outcomes from the total merger of the houses (House Nymeros Martell already being a merger of two houses after all) and the firstborn child inheriting both titles, to Dorne agreeing to swear fealty to the Iron Throne but keeping their succession laws (so the firstborn inherits Dorne regardless of gender, but only the firstborn son inheriting the Iron Throne) to the above but without swearing fealty (so if the firstborn child is a son they stay unified a generation longer).
 
Its only a headache in GRRMs bizarre fantasy world where each castle has been ruled by one house for millennia.

Yeah i know, but that is unfortunately the world we are playing in right now.

(so the firstborn inherits Dorne regardless of gender, but only the firstborn son inheriting the Iron Throne)

Wich would be basicaly arguing against Rhaenyra right to inherit.

So all the lords hearing her say something like that would either think she is an idiot or high.
 
Its only a headache in GRRMs bizarre fantasy world where each castle has been ruled by one house for millennia.

In reality, there's lots of different outcomes from the total merger of the houses (House Nymeros Martell already being a merger of two houses after all) and the firstborn child inheriting both titles, to Dorne agreeing to swear fealty to the Iron Throne but keeping their succession laws (so the firstborn inherits Dorne regardless of gender, but only the firstborn son inheriting the Iron Throne) to the above but without swearing fealty (so if the firstborn child is a son they stay unified a generation longer).
It would be so funny if, after Rhaenyra the Warrior Queen (assuming she wins the Dance), the Iron Throne goes right back to the firstborn son thing, but Dorne gets a princess descended from Rhaenyra :V
Business as usual.

Okay, that potential headache/negotiation (don't forget the dragons! the dragons we want our children to ride!) is actually looking interesting enough to bump Qoren back up on par with the others in my priority list...
 
Honestly, if Rhaenyra married the Prince of Dorne, estabilishing the succession would be an headache.

Like, who inherits the Iron Throne and who inherits Sunspear? What last name do the children have?

Lots of messy stuff we would have to sort out in the long term.
Its only a headache in GRRMs bizarre fantasy world where each castle has been ruled by one house for millennia.

In reality, there's lots of different outcomes from the total merger of the houses (House Nymeros Martell already being a merger of two houses after all) and the firstborn child inheriting both titles, to Dorne agreeing to swear fealty to the Iron Throne but keeping their succession laws (so the firstborn inherits Dorne regardless of gender, but only the firstborn son inheriting the Iron Throne) to the above but without swearing fealty (so if the firstborn child is a son they stay unified a generation longer).

Which in fact is exactly what GRRM has written in case of the canon Targaryen-Martell marriage alliance :V

Daeron II was in a similar situation as we are now, and married the nominal heir to Dorne, i.e. the eldest child of the reigning Prince. Instead, she was pushed from the succession spot in favour of her younger brother, who married Daerion's younger sister Daenarys.

Of course, this is probably not 100% applicable here as Qoren is already Prince, but even then we could have a clause that he abdicates in favour of a younger sibling once we ascend to the throne (and we would be Princess Consort of Dorne in the meantime...)

Though not all options are practical:
to Dorne agreeing to swear fealty to the Iron Throne but keeping their succession laws (so the firstborn inherits Dorne regardless of gender, but only the firstborn son inheriting the Iron Throne)
If we win, the Iron Throne will have the same succession laws as Dorne. Viserys didn't intend this as a one time thing, apparently, but as a succession rule for the future: The firstborn inherits, son or daughter. So, the same as in Dorne. And even if it were otherwise, the eldest child being a son would still have the same effect anyway.

And yes, joining succession lines is undesirable. Local nobility is typically loyal to the local lord paramount house. That wasn't just a weird northern thing after Robb's death. You have the same in the Vale, where Harold Hardying will stop being a Hardying and take on the Arryn name once he ascends to the throne. In the background history, Houses Stark and Lannister have irregularily been continued through the female line at times as well, just to ensure a Stark/Lannister would rule the Westerlands/North. In fact, this has probably happened to every House in Westeros, as the result of having non-Salic male preference primogeniture (a daughter comes before a brother) but normally strict patrilinearity.

Like, speaking about "in reality", in reality only the English/British throne had those succession rules. Even for the English/British nobility, a brother came before a daughter, nevermind the mainland. Exactly so as to keep possessions in the family line.

Anyway, point is - people are loyal to their established regional houses. Not to newcomers or imposed from above houses. House Targaryen ruling Dorne directly, Dorne becoming part of the Crownlands, would not go over well. Neither would be the kingly house being called Nymerios Martell. Plus, of course, there is a reason why Westeros has feudalism: We probably wouldn't even have the social infrastructure to run kingdoms directly. We need vassals to run things; that's the whole point of feudalism.
 
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My preferred option, and the one likely perfectly palatable to Qoren, would be to have the firstborn inherit the Iron Throne and the second born to take the name Nymeros Martell and ruling Dorne. With Dorne if course continuing to swear fealty to the Iron Throne.

This has precedent in ASOIAF lore.
 
Even for the English/British nobility, a brother came before a daughter
Its complicated / not really.

The Dance is a Westeros themed version of Stephen and Matilda / The Anarchy. Matilda was recognised as her father's heir by him and some of his nobles, others preferred her cousin Stephen. A long civil war is fought and the ultimate conclusion is that Stephen is King, but his heir will be Matilda's son Henry. Something which very clearly resembles the canon Aegon II / Aegon III scenario.

Hundreds of years later, Victoria I inherits the British Crown before her uncle Ernest Augustus, who inherits the Kingdom of Hanover in which a brother did come before a daughter <edit> thus ending the union of the British and Hanoverian Crowns </edit>. Later still, Elizabeth II inherits before her uncle Prince Henry

So that's one instance of a civil war being fought and the Usurping cousin before a daughter, and one instance of a daughter before an uncle.
nevermind the mainland

Plenty of parts of the mainland followed non Salic succession.
 
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I am very much looking forward to the Shipping Wars: Actually Topical And Of Great Importance To The Character edition :V

(Well, I am mostly looking forward to all the character interactions and getting to know our options better so that our shipping wars can be well informed and thoughtful...)
 
The Dance is a Westeros themed version of Stephen and Matilda

And the Anarchy was a struggle for the throne. So, again... the English/British throne in the early modern period (so centuries after the Anarchy, but still, that is clearly where GRRM get sthe general Andal succession laws from) had the same rules that are universal in Westeros: A son inherits before a daughter, but a daughter inherits before a brother. That was how the succession to the English throne ended up being.

But that was indeed only the throne. The monarch. Say a Duke or an Earl (i.e., equivalent to a Westerosi lord) only has two daughters, then they won't inherit the duchy (it depends on the letter patent for the title, but that was the case for the overwhelming number of titles). Instead, his brother or nephew would inherit or whoever else is the nearest male relative.

I.e., you can't deduce from the succession rules for just the throne to the whole country. My point was that "in reality", as you wanted to stress, that kind of succession rule was the absolute exception, even within England itself. Historically, titles and lands were inherited through the male line whenever possible* - with the point exactly being to keep possessions in the family line. For centuries, ideally. That actually was the point, and hence your dismissiveness of that seemed ill-placed to me.

*though Salic Law did allow for lands to pass through (but not to) the female line - it was only French ultra-Salic law which forbade that entirely. But that was indeed a politically motivated change of actual Salic Law to ward off English claims to t he throne. However, even in classical Salic Law you would have to exhaust basically all male lines before landing on a female line.
 
I am very much looking forward to the Shipping Wars: Actually Topical And Of Great Importance To The Character edition :V
Shipping is always important.

Anyway I ship Alicent/Rhaenyra, I politically-match Laenor. He is the best option for strengthening our claim, likely to not care that we're in lesbians with Alicent, and brings us the Velyaron dragons and fleet in a civil war scenario while denying them to others.
 
[X] [Trait] The Honor You have Been Given
[X] [Trait] All That You Could Achieve

Anything but the boring Diligent trait, the staple of SV'ers!
 
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[X] [Trait] All That You Could Achieve
[X] [Celebrate] Celebrate Your Success with Ser Tarly
 
While his father is somewhat of a prick I do hope Borros himself doesn't hold it against Rhaenyra. It'd be quite a hassle to have a Lord Paramount against her later on.
 
It's certainly much more interesting than just being a hard worker, which we already try to be anyway.
Yeah, and burning the bridges with the Velaryions and make sure fight against the biggest dragon alive would be much more interesting than the alternative...

Something can be really interesting and extremely stupid, and the tunnel vision that Honorable gives us can be extremely detrimental to our survival (just think not being able to employ specialists like Mysaria or Larys)
 
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