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A Hellfish flys again! ( a Simpsons X DVV CK2 Quest)

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TheGleeman said:
But if we can´t work it in now, that´s fine now - just have to find someone else we can and have Marge do something else as long as we still have her
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lil mathing time

Marge is best on stewardship and diplo, none of the diplos cause her trait (Jack of all trades) to activate so stewardship is her highest stat (fun fact, it only activates on the stewardship rolls, i checked)

This is a list of actions where she gets her bonus on (Stewardship is 23, +10 from the trait)
Look Into Expanding Your Business (33, Stewardship) DC: 60
Buy La Maison Derrière (33, Stewardship) DC: 35
The biggest one is if, Engage in Seaside Trade refers to fishing, if so thats (38 Stewardship, possibly even 48 if she has worked on fishing before, which in unclear but she has fished at least once) on a variable roll, if not then it ignore this one.
Make Brand New Content For The Show? (33 Stewardship?, If this one counts since is iffy, the show was changed due to her but she was not directly involved, and thus wouldn't have experience in it?) DC:90

[X] Willie
He causes more shenanigans
 
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TheGleeman said:
So she´d succeed that NA on anything higher than a 2 - definitely something to consider^^
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Actually she auto-passes, minus a nat 1 auto-fail, the calculations do not count abes natural 8 stewardship, or any of his traits

I would also put attention onto Engage in Seaside Trade, mostly because that might be a 48 depending on the specifics.
 
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We should also take into account how suitable a person is for a given job in addition to just the numbers. Like yes, by pure numbers Marge can pass buying the place without any real problems, but would she be happy about it? For much the same reason I wouldn't put Finale on buying weapons for the mob, or Willie on paying our taxes. Sure they could get them done probably, but I doubt they'd be thrilled about it
 
TheNotoriousSMP said:
We should also take into account how suitable a person is for a given job in addition to just the numbers. Like yes, by pure numbers Marge can pass buying the place without any real problems, but would she be happy about it? For much the same reason I wouldn't put Finale on buying weapons for the mob, or Willie on paying our taxes. Sure they could get them done probably, but I doubt they'd be thrilled about it
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Well aware of that fact, Look Into Expanding Your Business would math wise check out (half the dc is just marge) but in character... less so given that means expanding what was once Mr. Burns power plant without reason to believe it wont end up with him again.
 
You all should also think about who narratively makes sense to have in the spot.

Willie might give a good bonus, but who's been with you the longest or who has the most combat experience or know the most about organizing a fighting force like this? Remember just because the number is higher, doesn't mean they're better.
 
ShepardCom said:
You all should also think about who narratively makes sense to have in the spot.

Willie might give a good bonus, but who's been with you the longest or who has the most combat experience or know the most about organizing a fighting force like this? Remember just because the number is higher, doesn't mean they're better.
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That's why I'm choosing fat Tony because this guy has run an organization that required him to use his guys to protect his stuff
 
[X] Willie

honestly a stackable +15 is lovely, i would (narrative wise)prefer to have homer come back to "springshield... he was great at that job, he wasn´t lazy nor corrupt with that job. heck is the only place were the "laziness penalty" should be removed
 
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To be honest Willie's ability is less impressive to me than Tony's. Yes it stacks but it only does so if a person makes multiple attacks against us in a turn. Meanwhile Tony not only makes it easier to do crime and Mafia actions, but also makes it possible to use an intrigue hero for a martial action should the need arise. Finale might have equal intrigue as martial, but imagine if we could throw Mona at martial actions should the need arise? Her intrigue is better than every character but Finale's martial, could be something useful to keep in mind

As far as Willie vs Tony's martial scores go Tony's is higher than Willie's thanks to Johnny Tightlips, though even then Abe's is good enough that we won't be using the martial score replacement too often.
 
TheNotoriousSMP said:
To be honest Willie's ability is less impressive to me than Tony's. Yes it stacks but it only does so if a person makes multiple attacks against us in a turn. Meanwhile Tony not only makes it easier to do crime and Mafia actions, but also makes it possible to use an intrigue hero for a martial action should the need arise. Finale might have equal intrigue as martial, but imagine if we could throw Mona at martial actions should the need arise? Her intrigue is better than every character but Finale's martial, could be something useful to keep in mind

As far as Willie vs Tony's martial scores go Tony's is higher than Willie's thanks to Johnny Tightlips, though even then Abe's is good enough that we won't be using the martial score replacement too often.
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I will also say this fat Tony is a growth character. We have to heavily invest to get the best possible stats for him. That's what the recruitment thing said when we were hiring on turn one.

If we have a reduced DC, not only will this allow us to get crits easier, but it allows us to be able to do those actions easier as well.
 
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catxfighter_3_1 said:
I will also say this fat Tony is a growth character. We have to heavily invest to get the best possible stats for him. That's what the recruitment thing said when we were hiring on turn one.

If we have a reduced DC, not only will this allow us to get Kritz easier, but it allows us to be able to do those actions easier as well
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This is true! There are also actions available now that will further boost Tony's martial score, which would make him even better for the role once he's picked up a little of that

Not to mention he's served us loyally so far and the role is actually really good for his stated goals. And he made the security force basically Mafia goons thanks to his crit so he'd be better able to use them than Willie would
 
TheNotoriousSMP said:
This is true! There are also actions available now that will further boost Tony's martial score, which would make him even better for the role once he's picked up a little of that

Not to mention he's served us loyally so far and the role is actually really good for his stated goals. And he made the security force basically Mafia goons thanks to his crit so he'd be better able to use them than Willie would
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Plus narratively that's what makes sense
Willie does not have any loyalty to us he's literally at zero
 
Soberan 123 said:
You do realize he is a unrepenting crime boss and you are glsuggesting to give him a very powerful position in your operations?

Yes he's a allied but he someone that at best keep at distance less we end up caugting up too much in crime stuff.
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Very much I understand this guy is a mafia boss.. it's not like the guys going to instantly betray us once we give him the position and help him rebuild empire with all the mafia actions we do for him

He would have a debt to us for life there's one thing that the Italian mob is known for they always repay their debts
 
catxfighter_3_1 said:
Very much I understand this guy is a mafia boss.. it's not like the guys going to instantly betray us once we give him the position and help him rebuild empire with all the mafia actions we do for him

He would have a debt to us for life there's one thing that the Italian mob is known for they always repay their debts
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Or he could turn the table on us and decide to transform Abe in a puppet and he become the Prince in the Shadows.

The guy does have ambitions to become the Don of Dons in America, covertly taking control of a corporation would be something he would do.
 
Soberan 123 said:
Or he could turn the table on us and decide to transform Abe in a puppet and he become the Prince in the Shadows.

The guy does have ambitions to become the Don of Dons in America, covertly taking control of a corporation would be something he would do.
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…..Soberan.. listen man I know you're trying to be cautious, but I'm just going to say this We have done nothing so far to hurt fat Tony, and anyway, so he would try to take over our Empire

We helped him save his son.. we're throwing a party basically probably gonna get a loyalty boost for him and as long as we keep fat, Tony loyal to us, and as we don't insult him or betray his trust in us and rebuild his empire which he will be the ruler of he has no reason to suddenly backstab us out of nowhere
 
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Yeah Tony is already working for us and has helped us a great deal. And we have done enough that he won't just betray us at the drop of a hat. If nothing else he's capable of recognizing that we've done a good amount for him already.
Soberan 123 said:
Or he could turn the table on us and decide to transform Abe in a puppet and he become the Prince in the Shadows.

The guy does have ambitions to become the Don of Dons in America, covertly taking control of a corporation would be something he would do.
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I'm going to be honest with you, this seems made up. He hasn't given any indication that he would do anything like this, and the don of dons thing isn't something that's been mentioned at all? This is just you not being honest about a character's goals and that doesn't say good things about your argument
 
TheNotoriousSMP said:
Yeah Tony is already working for us and has helped us a great deal. And we have done enough that he won't just betray us at the drop of a hat. If nothing else he's capable of recognizing that we've done a good amount for him already.

I'm going to be honest with you, this seems made up. He hasn't given any indication that he would do anything like this, and the don of dons thing isn't something that's been mentioned at all? This is just you not being honest about a character's goals and that doesn't say good things about your argument
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It as part of one fo the cannonized side stories so the Don of Dons is a very much thing he wants to do.

Also kust because he like us does not means he woild not backstab us.

I mean it would just be business than personal vendetta.

I sorru if this sounds overly paranoid but I don't want to support crime more than what we are doing.
 
Soberan 123 said:
It as part of one fo the cannonized side stories so the Don of Dons is a very much thing he wants to do.

Also kust because he like us does not means he woild not backstab us.

I mean it would just be business than personal vendetta.

I sorru if this sounds overly paranoid but I don't want to support crime more than what we are doing.
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When we agreed to hire Fat Tony it was made clear that we were going to help him rebuild the Springfield Mob*. As long as we keep our end of that bargain Tony is probably going to be loyal. If your worried about him pulling a power grab down the road then we should look into options to counterbalance him just in case. Building an robot army, getting a super on the payroll that sort of thing. And remember just because he's becoming more powerful and influential doesn't mean he's the only one. We (most likely) will be too.

*I don't really like having a crime syndicate in our town but there are a lot worse monsters out there then Fat Tony and his crew.
 
Soberan 123 said:
It as part of one fo the cannonized side stories so the Don of Dons is a very much thing he wants to do.

Also kust because he like us does not means he woild not backstab us.

I mean it would just be business than personal vendetta.

I sorru if this sounds overly paranoid but I don't want to support crime more than what we are doing.
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Okay fine, the don of dons is a thing. Still doesn't mean he's going to betray us to get that, especially if we're the ones who make it possible to grab that title.

He's already working for us and only won't be if we completely stop doing Mafia actions. Which we pretty clearly aren't going to be doing any time soon. If we keep doing Mafia actions his loyalty is only going to grow. At worst he can help protect us from any dirty dealings any other kings point our way.
 
[X] Fat Tony

I also want to do the new ecosystem action next turn. That way my Screw You Shelbyville omake will be canon!
 
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