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The Heir of the Dragon: A Rhaenyra Targaryen Quest

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[X] Plan: She Who Carries the Sentence Must Swing the Sword

Judgement here makes the Vale a useful ally if a dance happens unlike OTL where they were spent fighting among themselves so it seems like a no-brainer to me.
Fighting Arnold in a Trial by combat would be really funny, in a land where that is always an option for nobles our training was actually us learning law all along...
 
[X] Plan: She Who Carries the Sentence Must Swing the Sword

Oversee an 'easy' trial to dip our toes into the whole 'I am the Law' thing, throw out some references to other cases we learned about the night before to impress the Nobles(and assorted other notables like the maesters and septons), and then get sage sapphic advice from our wiser cousin.
 
[X] Plan: She Who Carries the Sentence Must Swing the Sword

This seems reasonable, although I don't think we should actually be "swinging the sword" here, unless Jeyne actually wants to do that but can't because of kinslaying concerns. IIRC in canon the nephew actually gave Jeyne more trouble than Arnold did.

Edit: Son, not nephew.
 
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hailcapital said:
[X] Plan: She Who Carries the Sentence Must Swing the Sword

This seems reasonable, although I don't think we should actually be "swinging the sword" here, unless Jeyne actually wants to do that but can't because of kinslaying concerns. IIRC in canon the nephew actually gave Jeyne more trouble than Arnold did.
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Yeah, I'm a little hesitant on the sword swinging as well. Execution or the Wall means Arnold's son becomes the new claimant, and mercy might complicate our relationship with Jeyne. Keeping him hostage actually seems like a pretty good outcome for us—although I'm not familiar with the Westerosi criminal justice system. Can we just formalize Jeyne keeping Arnold locked up?

[X] Plan: No Judgement

Gwayne might want to talk to us after that tourney but I'd say hold off on any commitments for now.
 
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Teen Spirit said:
As Criston Cole rode past, celebrating his victory, you saw a hungry, yearning look in his eyes. The gold and glory were secondary to him, Cole was in this for something greater, something more, something he had clearly yet to find. You knew right then that you would see him again in the next tourney, and odds were high that when you finally entered a tourney as a mystery knight, Criston Cole would be the biggest challenge to your victory.
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Ah there you go, see what I mean? It's only a matter of time before we give Cole a breakdown over us being a warrior.
 
Honestly, I don't feel any interest in judging this guy when we pretty much know that our sentence will be sending him to the Wall...

I would rather have Syrax learn how to best maneuver on mountainous terrain...

[X] Plan: No Judgement
 
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[X] Plan: She Who Carries the Sentence Must Swing the Sword

Alright, time to show Rhaenyra's capabilities of bringing justice to the realm, as a warrior queen should.
 
Boss Tweed said:
Yeah, I'm a little hesitant on the sword swinging as well. Execution or the Wall means Arnold's son becomes the new claimant, and mercy might complicate our relationship with Jeyne. Keeping him hostage actually seems like a pretty good outcome for us—although I'm not familiar with the Westerosi criminal justice system. Can we just formalize Jeyne keeping Arnold locked up?
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Despite the name, the "swing the sword plan" just means we'll be judging, not that the judgement will be execution.

Fanhunter696 said:
Honestly, I don't feel any interest in judging this guy when we pretty much know that our sentence will be sending him to the Wall
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Will it? People were talking about execution too. And I'll point out that if we don't judge him, he won't go to the Wall, he'll be kept here as a prisoner.

I think the sentencing here is non-obvious. I expect legally he should be executed as a traitor, but politically he might be more useful as a prisoner (and there may be a question of kinslaying). Appearance wise, if we're merciful that could be used against us by people arguing that clearly a woman doesn't have the stomach to rule.
 
hailcapital said:
Will it? People were talking about execution too. And I'll point out that if we don't judge him, he won't go to the Wall, he'll be kept here as a prisoner.

I think the sentencing here is non-obvious. I expect legally he should be executed as a traitor, but politically he might be more useful as a prisoner (and there may be a question of kinslaying). Appearance wise, if we're merciful that could be used against us by people arguing that clearly a woman doesn't have the stomach to rule.
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For what we have seen in ASOIAF "the choose between the Wall or execution" is the default option for 90% of these kinds of judgments...

So I expect that the vote for that because it is the option that allows us to be seen as firm but fair...
 
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Despite the name, the "swing the sword plan" just means we'll be judging, not that the judgement will be execution.
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I'm aware of that—I mentioned other options and explained why they're also not ideal. Sending Arnold to the Wall removes him from the line of succession (meaning his nephew still gets the claim) and puts him out of Jeyne's reach. Releasing him means he's just free to rebel again. Those were the only 3 options mentioned by Teen Spirit, other than not holding the judgement and letting Jeyne keep him in the sky cells.
 
[X] Plan The Dragon's Authority
-[x] [Action] Train
--[x] [Duel] Challenge the Knights of the Vale
-[x] [Action] Take Part in a Judgement
-[x] [Action] Study
--[x] Study the law books Lord Strong has given you.
 
I wonder if we could make part of our judgement that Eldric is fostered in the Eyrie or even adopted by Jeyne (if Jeyne would like)?

Jeyne doesn't want kids, so I'm not sure if she'd have a preference for who inherits from her except Not Arnold, but putting the son in her power would prevent him from being used against her, potentially prevent his later rebellion against Jeyne's will and leave us free to execute or wall Arnold.

Johanna might pitch a fit, but it's a son.
 
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I am a bit worried about how Alicent is going to react to the conversation with Jeyne.

Our elder queer has obviously put two and two together and figured out what's going on, but Alicent doesn't know that. To her, she has been scoped out of the closet by someone who is at best an acquaintance. There are a lot of ways this could go wrong.

[X] Plan: She Who Carries the Sentence Must Swing the Sword

Not worried enough not to vote for it though. This feels like something Rhaenyra would agree to.
 
[X] Plan: She Who Carries the Sentence Must Swing the Sword

Also, I might have missed this discussion but, the vision woman that we "named and rejected" or whatever is definitely our currently unborn step-sister, right? We helped pick her name, didn't we?
 
WeBroughtMatches said:
Also, I might have missed this discussion but, the vision woman that we "named and rejected" or whatever is definitely our currently unborn step-sister, right? We helped pick her name, didn't we?
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Not confirmed, but that seems like by far the most likely possibility.

I'd expect that there's a few potentials for that person though, because otherwise it might be too easily averted - e.g. if we bond with our first half sister and get her solidly on side, it could turn out to be a younger half sister, or a daughter or Daemon and Laena, or our own daughter, or a dragonseed, etc.
 
hailcapital said:
I'd expect that there's a few potentials for that person though, because otherwise it might be too easily averted - e.g. if we bond with our first half sister and get her solidly on side, it could turn out to be a younger half sister, or a daughter or Daemon and Laena, or our own daughter, or a dragonseed, etc.
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Thing is the woman is rather distinctive looking. it would be hard for there to be multiple options.
 
WeBroughtMatches said:
Also, I might have missed this discussion but, the vision woman that we "named and rejected" or whatever is definitely our currently unborn step-sister, right? We helped pick her name, didn't we?
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Just to point it out, if she is Johanna's daughter, she and Nyra would have the same father, so they are technically half-sisters, not step-sisters...
 
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Teen Spirit said:
Alicent had been all but forced to give her favor to Daemon at that fateful tourney in King's Landing
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This just stuck out to me for some reason, cause the wording implies that the events around Aemma's death were largely the same, even with our Rhaneyra being pretty different from Canon Rhaenyra in a few ways, so I gotta ask, what events went differently at the tourney for Baelon and episode 1 in general than in Canon due to our Rhaenyra being different, Nyra and Alicent not speaking to each other at the time, Nyra and Daemon not having as warm a relationship, etc?
 
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