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In my view Belle is very confused about Eggman at the moment and send her to recruit someone on behalf of someone she don't have any idea what to make of him is not exactly a good mix, after all you have to convince your target it's they best interest to work with Eggman.

Plus Stone unique trait avoid critical failure meaning that we at least avoid the possibility of increasing the dice roll necessary or lose the opportunity to recruit her. Like with Stone, thanks to omeka reward of +10 for recruitment roll of a minion, just need to roll a 24 to pass the dice for Cannan.

Also the conch is nice and all but Fang will also sell other goods he managed to nab from the Empire besides the Lance, so I think we should at least try to gather funds and buy the Lance along side some extras as well and go to the auction to see if we can unlock some factions so we can collaborate with hem in the future, after all a lot of people will be there as well just to create network to each other. Like Clutch from IDW, I really hope he's there since he mention in the comics his clean up crew sell resources for Eggman on the side when cleaning up old battlefields and ruins.

I also vermently believe we should study the Rings instead of looking for magical artifacts, in Archie Comics they hold the potential to heal the sick and grant knowledge and Eggman right now is only using them as power source. If the same is true here then they also hold another avenue to heal Cassia as well.

Edit: people are overreacting thanks to result from the first turn. There's no guarantee Zavok bad luck will continue to the second turn as well.

Hmm...I'll admit I didn't think about networking. That would be useful although it runs into the issue that we are currently hiding who we are right now.

I do disagree on Belle, and the Conch though. Uncertain or no I don't think Belle is so weak as to have or cause problems as long as we aren't doing something evil, I have more faith in her than that. She doesn't have something like Clove's Terrifed after all.

Whatever happens will effect her loyalty not her effectiveness. Purely by the number sending Belle to do heart is better, so Stone can pitch in on Mystic. Even narratively it's been made rather clear it won't effect things as much as you think.

It'd be fine if we sent Belle to talk with the Restoration right?

And the Conch is our Silver bullet for the D6. That is immeasureably more useful to us than some one-time funds.

Though I will concede on Rings.
Lets keep in mind that Rings capabilities vary a lot between games and Archie comics.

In games they are more of a defensive items, while Archie power rings are not natural per se.

They are man made and the only ones with the knowledge to produce them either took the knowledge to his grave in the case of Nate or we don't know if they are even here in the case of Chuck.

I don't doubt we could find uses for games rings, but Archie Rings are something we won't get access as easy as one may think.


Okey, I was fine keeping quiet and letting you guys make as many assumptions as you thought. But need to clarify a few points before you guys make potential mistakes.

A) Belle would not have any problem going for the less dangerous Hero units and recruit them Her feelings in Eggman are…really mixed in, but still would assist you if eggman ask her to talk with someone, at the very least, her feeling for her father are that strong that won't just run away...without a good reason.

2) Eggman is only interested in the Lance, the other thing that Nack will sell, like ragnite and a few imperial weapons (like the lancers), really don't interest him and he can get more of the stuff later. He literally is only going there for the Lance. You need to hope you get enough money more than the other potential prospects that are going, if not you can always go for plan V) V of Violence of course!!!

Also, Clutch clean up crew happened in the comics after his gig in the chao races was destroyed, won't tell you his current status but WOG that the clean up crew isn't happening anytime soon.

Also, was waiting until you guys studied the rings but just telling you know, the rings are full mainline version here, there's no Archie version of rings…yet that you can find. With how much is being hyped the magic rings don't really want you guys to monofocus on them and be disappointed.

And yes, there's a honest to god chance, Zavok loses the empire to the other factionz if he isn't careful/continues to roll poorly. He might have Eggman's resources but he is literally fighting at a war I. 4 fronts. There's only so much the guy can do. Against 1 or 2 factions, Zavok could pull enough focus to deal with them, but he has freacking the Shadow the Hedgehog the Hedgehog in one side. The Empire on the other, Gun and the Restoration.

He pulled most of his focus on dealing with Shadow and barelly managed to get a win. He seriosly wasnt expecting for the frontline agaisnt the Empire to fall, he did the same as several other thst underestimated the Empire cause of their outdated techs, when they have beast of a hero unit in Selvaria (Who real talk, is carrying the empire like a Champ). So yeah while waiitng for Zavok to get weakened enouhg. by them is a legit strategy, that does mean that he will lose territory and resources, leaving you more weak when you manage to take them over. Up to you if you want to use that strat or face him while he still has enough strenght

Don't want to sound mean Soberan but you tend to make many assumptions that don't have a basis or aren't confirmed and think they are 100% happening, like no offense but that can be dangerous. We are totally fine and willing to punish things if you guys fuck up. Just telling so it doesn't come as a surprise.
 
Don't want to sound mean Soberan but you tend to make many assumptions that don't have a basis or aren't confirmed and think they are 100% happening, like no offense but that can be dangerous. We are totally fine and willing to punish things if you guys fuck up. Just telling so it doesn't come as a surprise.

What?

I am not making any assumptions that will 100% happen, I just though the event could also be used to make some connections and the Rings could have some extra stuff thanks to the crossover setting. I was very clear that things like that I was saying were 'maybes' not a certainly that will happen.
 
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That's good to know, is it possible to assign two heroes to the hire minion action?

Like having Stone recruit Canaan and Belle go for Honey or the Undead couple.
 
And yes, there's a honest to god chance, Zavok loses the empire to the other factionz if he isn't careful/continues to roll poorly. He might have Eggman's resources but he is literally fighting at a war I. 4 fronts. There's only so much the guy can do. Against 1 or 2 factions, Zavok could pull enough focus to deal with them, but he has freacking the Shadow the Hedgehog the Hedgehog in one side. The Empire on the other, Gun and the Restoration
Zavok and company are also in danger of just getting all our former stuff wrecked and letting everyone else just walk away with it. Zeti, at least in the comics, do not repair stuff. They honestly seem baffled by the whole concept. Sooner or later, they'll run out of our stuff.

Just something to keep in mind.
 
That's good to know, is it possible to assign two heroes to the hire minion action?

Like having Stone recruit Canaan and Belle go for Honey or the Undead couple.
We would need to unlock more actions for the heart category for that.

At the moment we are capped at 1 action per each selection outside of logistic which we can take 1 more due to orbot and cubot trait.
 
That's good to know, is it possible to assign two heroes to the hire minion action?

Like having Stone recruit Canaan and Belle go for Honey or the Undead couple.
you could if you had a second action in the heart category, unfortunately, you only have one right now.

What?

I am not making any assumptions that will 100% happen, I just though the event could also be used to make some connections and the Rings could have some extra stuff thanks to the crossover setting. I was very clear that things like that I was saying were 'maybes' not a certainly that will happen.
No offense but from what I have seen from your post so far, you make several "Maybes" and push for them with so much intensity it does make it seem like you believe 100% on them happening, or at least, you really don't make it sound like it just a posssibility from your side.

I'm not wanting to start a conflict or insult, but just have to warn that while making guesses and assumptions is fine, fully believing them happening without any proof can be dangerous.

If I'm wrong, please correct me and I will apologize, Its not my intention to insult but when the wrong info is being assumed as the canon thing and many of you make plans based on that, I at least want to correct stuff so you guys don't make mistakes like those.
 
[X] Plan: Imperial Resources appropriation! (and liberation you guess)

This one just suits me the best I suppose. It hits most of the things I want to do, and even the things I would do differently aren't that big of a deal. My wanting to get Piastol is more personal preference than anything, and my choice at a mystic action was literally because I didn't have any better ideas.
 
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Zavok and company are also in danger of just getting all our former stuff wrecked and letting everyone else just walk away with it. Zeti, at least in the comics, do not repair stuff. They honestly seem baffled by the whole concept. Sooner or later, they'll run out of our stuff.

Just something to keep in mind.

Since when they don't repair stuff?

Nothing indicate they do that in Lost World, they were not interested in Eggman's army because they were too busy draining the life of the planet to juice themselves up, so it just need to distract Sonic long enough to finishing juicing up and won. Here they have the entire, at least the parts that manage to survive the Shattering, Eggman Empire at they disposal with all resources they need to repair stuff and build things as well.

It's not like we know all the actions they are doing. Like maybe the Deadly Six are building in the background as well in secret or something.

Also you are vastly underestimating how powerful the badnik horde can be once properly focused and Zavok still has access to badnik factories so he can replenish his losses fairly quickly. Like they could have avaliable the mass produce version of the Death Egg Robot see in Sonic Forces as a example, obviosly we can't build them due to lack of large resources.

Also the other factions are fighting against each other as well, for all we know GUN or the Restoration next turn may decided to attack on the Empire or the Black Arms as a example.

It's all out war in Green Hill Zone, Zavok was the target this turn but nothing says they will gang up on him next turn as well.

Edit: just as they are in danger to lose all our stuff, they also have the potential to squash the other factions as well.

Nothing is certain but saying they will lose is a bit too premeditate.
 
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It's not like we know all the actions they are doing.
It is true, you guys do not know all the actions your foes are taking but all of them will be acting as in character as possible.

We won't be having Shadow take an action to do heavy research, The Restroation won't be performing terror attacks, and Zavok and the Zeti won't take actions that don't involve hurting people, ruling over them, or indulging in their own base desires.
 
Eh I mean, we only taught Zavok how to use a production facility from what we know from Lost World.

Not even power core ones but animal batteries ones.

They just know the machine produces Badniks, they insert a power source and presto instant army.

They are probably relying only on whatever works for them with Zavok and Zik being the only ones really interesed on learnings new things to up their Game.

And even then this being turn 2 means they haven't had much reasons to deviate from their modus operandi.
 
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Eh I mean, we only taught Zavok how to use a production facility from what we know from Lost World.

Not even power core ones but animal batteries ones.

They just know the machine produces Badniks, they insert a power source and presto instant army.

They are probably relying only on whatever works for them with Zavok and Zik being the only ones really interesed on learnings new things to up their Game.

That is a fastest way to the grave underestimating the Zeti, Eggman resources include a lot of stuff and they would be pretty stupid just to rely on animal batteries, that was just Eggman bragging and Zavok was utterly unimpressed by the way, background material add more for the Zeti.

Like Zor in the background is know to dabble in mystic powers so dark and forbidden that none of the other members dare to use them and he has access to a lot of magical stuff Eggmen researched have over the years, the Dark Gaia alone would pick his interest.

Heck they even try to transform Tails into a mindless cyborg and now they access to a lot of people that do nothing but cower on they shadow.

So do not ever underestimate them.
 
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Heck they even try to transform Tails into a mindless cyborg and now they access to a lot of people that do nothing but cower on they shadow
Didn't that one backfired as they couldn't even get that one right?

Like pretty sure Tails was playing along on that cutscene and they just tacked some stuff into him as next time we see him he is without those implants.

Also reason of why I wanted to take the conch action.

Otherwise we are going to have to sacrifice both our power and trickery action next turn thanks to the Sonic and Zavok drives as they reach the turn limit on turn 3 before they give us maluses.

Edit: nvm I cannot read, apparently making progress on one drive makes it so debuffs from both drives dissapear
 
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Our Heroes that we will send to the auction will not proclaim they allegiance to Eggman there and to whoever they speak, they can mention they employer would be interested in a business arrangement or something but there's no need to drop the doctor's name since a lot of people will do this as well.

Sure if you are only looking on the numbers side of the equation Belle is objectively better but the narrative could trow a wrench on this plan. Because Belle is confused about Eggmen so it make sense in a thematic way she fumble even on the sales pitch even if she have no debuff.

Also the funds may be one time thing but it also usable to also buy another artifacts from Fang besides the Lance, the Relic is the main attraction but is not the only one that he's bidding besides if we go smashing there we lose the chance the chance to networking with some useful contacts liek the Restoration and GUN will defintily send someone there because Fang audiction is open to all if understand righ so we may have the opportunity to lower the dice roll.

I think smashing the event is too hasty and peopel are overreacting to Zavok loss from first turn too much.

Hmm...I'll concede the Auction to you, making allies and maybe making it easier to talk with the Good guys would be amazing.

Still I'll mantain my position on Belle and really do think we need the Conch.

Okey, I was fine keeping quiet and letting you guys make as many assumptions as you thought. But need to clarify a few points before you guys make potential mistakes.

A) Belle would not have any problem going for the less dangerous Hero units and recruit them Her feelings in Eggman are…really mixed in, but still would assist you if eggman ask her to talk with someone, at the very least, her feeling for her father are that strong that won't just run away...without a good reason.

2) Eggman is only interested in the Lance, the other thing that Nack will sell, like ragnite and a few imperial weapons (like the lancers), really don't interest him and he can get more of the stuff later. He literally is only going there for the Lance. You need to hope you get enough money more than the other potential prospects that are going, if not you can always go for plan V) V of Violence of course!!!

Also, Clutch clean up crew happened in the comics after his gig in the chao races was destroyed, won't tell you his current status but WOG that the clean up crew isn't happening anytime soon.

Also, was waiting until you guys studied the rings but just telling you know, the rings are full mainline version here, there's no Archie version of rings…yet that you can find. With how much is being hyped the magic rings don't really want you guys to monofocus on them and be disappointed.

And yes, there's a honest to god chance, Zavok loses the empire to the other factionz if he isn't careful/continues to roll poorly. He might have Eggman's resources but he is literally fighting at a war I. 4 fronts. There's only so much the guy can do. Against 1 or 2 factions, Zavok could pull enough focus to deal with them, but he has freacking the Shadow the Hedgehog the Hedgehog in one side. The Empire on the other, Gun and the Restoration.

He pulled most of his focus on dealing with Shadow and barelly managed to get a win. He seriosly wasnt expecting for the frontline agaisnt the Empire to fall, he did the same as several other thst underestimated the Empire cause of their outdated techs, when they have beast of a hero unit in Selvaria (Who real talk, is carrying the empire like a Champ). So yeah while waiitng for Zavok to get weakened enouhg. by them is a legit strategy, that does mean that he will lose territory and resources, leaving you more weak when you manage to take them over. Up to you if you want to use that strat or face him while he still has enough strenght

Don't want to sound mean Soberan but you tend to make many assumptions that don't have a basis or aren't confirmed and think they are 100% happening, like no offense but that can be dangerous. We are totally fine and willing to punish things if you guys fuck up. Just telling so it doesn't come as a surprise.

...THANK YOU!

Okay guys we have WoG that
  • Belle is able and willing to help us with no cavets.
  • The Auction is only for the Lance. All money and/or force will for that end.
  • We don't have anything interesting for the Rings at the moment.
  • THE DEADLY SIX MAY LOSE OUR EMPIRE IF WE DON'T TAKE IT BACK QUICKLY!

So once again I am going to advocate for Resource acquisition and saving a sick child.

Because-
  • It let's Belle help us and be the best Heart unit we have.
  • And will bring us a lot closer to taking our Empire back before the Foolish Zeti lose it!

Please consider it.
 
Hmm...I'll concede the Auction to you, making allies and maybe making it easier to talk with the Good guys would be amazing.

Still I'll mantain my position on Belle and really do think we need the Conch.



...THANK YOU!

Okay guys we have WoG that
  • Belle is able and willing to help us with no cavets.
  • The Auction is only for the Lance. All money and/or force will for that end.
  • We don't have anything interesting for the Rings at the moment.
  • THE DEADLY SIX MAY LOSE OUR EMPIRE IF WE DON'T TAKE IT BACK QUICKLY!

So once again I am going to advocate for Resource acquisition and saving a sick child.

Because-
  • It let's Belle help us and be the best Heart unit we have.
  • And will bring us a lot closer to taking our Empire back before the Foolish Zeti lose it!

Please consider it.

[X] Resource acquisition and saving a sick child.

I can very much see a logic here and it seems like the right move to me
 
Deadly Lessons
Didn't that one backfired as they couldn't even get that one right?

Like pretty sure Tails was playing along on that cutscene and they just tacked some stuff into him as next time we see him he is without those implants.

They fail because Tails manage to modify the machine at the last minute.

...THANK YOU!

Okay guys we have WoG that
  • Belle is able and willing to help us with no cavets.
  • The Auction is only for the Lance. All money and/or force will for that end.
  • We don't have anything interesting for the Rings at the moment.
  • THE DEADLY SIX MAY LOSE OUR EMPIRE IF WE DON'T TAKE IT BACK QUICKLY!

So once again I am going to advocate for Resource acquisition and saving a sick child.

Because-
  • It let's Belle help us and be the best Heart unit we have.
  • And will bring us a lot closer to taking our Empire back before the Foolish Zeti lose it!

Please consider it.

No the QM said there's possibility the Zeti will lose the Empire not that this will happen. Besides just because the Eggman is only interested in the Lance it does not mean his objective will stay the same once there or his representive that he can send on his place will follow his word tot he letter.

Anyway in light of the Zeti latest defeat let's see what our favorite usurpers are doing.


Deadly Lessons

Zavok sat atop his dark throne in what was once Dr. Eggman's command center, his crimson form silhouetted against the glow of monitors displaying battles across their empire. Reports of defeats streamed in from all sides: Imperial forces seizing land with their antiquated, yet shockingly effective, tactics; the Restoration rallying more allies by the day; and G.U.N. pressing hard with their disciplined, well-equipped soldiers. To make matters worse, the Black Arms were carving their own path of destruction that Zavok barely contain in the north.

The Deadly Six, rulers of this empire, were losing ground.

"Unacceptable," Zavok growled, his claws gouging the armrest of his throne. "How could this happen? We have Eggman's factories, his machines, his resources! The might of the Zeti should be unquestioned!"

"Unquestioned?" Master Zik's voice, as sharp and deliberate as the blade of a sword, cut through the tension in the room. The elder Zeti stepped forward, leaning on his staff, his expression both calm and damning. "Perhaps you mean unearned."

Zavok's eyes narrowed. "Master Zik, if you have something to say, say it plainly."

Zik sighed, shaking his head. "Very well. You've all become arrogant. Lazy. You believed that inheriting Eggman's empire was akin to victory itself, that you need only sit on your thrones and bark orders to reign supreme. But wars are not won through hubris or inheritance. They are won through strength, strategy, and adaptability. Qualities you've all failed to demonstrate."

The room fell silent. Zeena, lounging against a console, rolled her eyes. "Oh, here we go with the lectures again."

"Silence!" Zik barked, his voice commanding enough to make even Zeena flinch. "Look around you! Every faction, no matter how divided, no matter how outmatched they might seem, has managed to chip away at your so-called dominion. Why? Because they fight. The Empire may use outdated technology, but they fight with discipline and hearts of conquerors. The Restoration may be softhearted, but they fight with purpose. Even the Black Arms, mindless as they may seem, fight with unrelenting ferocity."

Master Zik turnd to Zavok and asked "You sent Zomom to crush the Empire's forces. Tell me, Zavok, why?"

Zavok clenched his fists. "Because it was a simple matter of overwhelming them with brute force. Their vehicles and weapons are crude. Zomom's strength should have been more than enough."

"And yet it wasn't." Zik's gaze swept the room. "The Empire exploited Zomom's lack of strategy and brute thinking, stalling him until their champion arrive and defeat him. A defeat you should have foreseen, Zavok. A defeat you should have prevented. A defeat that wounded him, forcing you save him and now must rest to recover, because you send him to a situation he was ill prepared to face."

Zavok snarled, rising to his feet. "Enough! We will recover. This is merely a setback."

Zik shook his head. "You sound like Eggman. Always so certain that his machines would grant him ultimate victory. Always refusing to learn from his defeats. Where is he now?"

Zavok clenched his fists, his rage simmering. "If you have a point, Master Zik, make it. I've heard enough scolding for one day."

"The point," Zik said firmly, "is that you've forgotten the ways of the Zeti. We are not machines. We are not rulers who sit idly while others fight for us. We are warriors. Masters of strength, cunning, and ferocity. If you wish to claim this world as your own, then act like it. Lead your armies. Crush your enemies with such ruthless they will tremble on your wake. Show them why the Zeti are to be feared."

The room fell into a tense silence. Zavok's gaze flickered over his companions: Zeena's smug indifference, Zazz barely contained bloodthirsty and Zik's unwavering resolve.

Finally, Zavok nodded. "You're right, Master Zik. We've grown complacent. That ends now."

Turning to his comrades, he raised his voice. "The Deadly Six will not fall. We will reclaim every inch of territory we've lost and more. There is no room for weakness or complacency in war, the Zeti will prove themselves the true masters of this shattered world."

Zik allowed a small, approving smile. "Good. Then let us begin."

As the Deadly Six prepared to rally their forces, Zavok could feel the fire of determination reigniting within him. Their empire may lost territory but it was far from broken and this time, they would fight as the Zeti should, with no mercy and no room for failure.

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Obs: The Deadly Six are hardly stupid, sometimes they can be shortsighted true, but they do learn they lessons and Zik has been alive for a very long time and the rest does listen to his advice.

Like I think they may struggle a little in the begining since they never have to rule actual Empire before and manage they resources but they are nothing if not adaptable. So master Zik would immediately see this setbacks and set them straight, the Deadly Six are not a bunch of treacherous fools that would blame each other for failure or devolve into bickering if the moment they fail, as common for such groups in the media.

They have principles they live by, sure it may be alien to everybody else, but principles none the less.
 
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No the QM said there's possibility the Zeti will lose the Empire not that this will happen. Besides just because the Eggman is only interested in the Lance it does not mean his objective will stay the same once there or his representive that he can send on his place will follow his word tot he letter.
Well I'm a QM and I'll say it, he's only there for the lance. If the Zet continue to roll garbage, they will lose the empire because they're not empire builders.

Soberan, this is me as a QM telling you to calm it down. You're making a lot of wild assumptions that you're lending a lot of weight to with no evidence from the quest as of yet.
 
No the QM said there's possibility the Zeti will lose the Empire not that this will happen. Besides just because the Eggman is only interested in the Lance it does not mean his objective will stay the same once there or his representive that he can send on his place will follow his word tot he letter.

Anyway in light of the Zeti latest defeat let's see what our favorite usurpers are doing.


Deadly Lessons

As someone with bad luck I can sincerely say we should not rely on everything going exactly how we want it. We should expect things to go wrong and prepare accordingly. We should rig the board as much as we can to ensure that it would not matter if everything went wrong at the same time. We. Would. Still. Win.

I do trust our Heroes, but there really isn't much at the auction (Artifact aside) that we can't get elsewhere and in some cases more easily. Ragnite and the like will likely come from the Raid. Though I'll admit the connections would be nice.


That aside, wonderful Omake! I hope the Zeti prove themselves. We'll be taking it back of course but it'll be far more satisfying to take it from worthy opponents. Instead of arrogant fools who nearly lost everything.


So once again I advocate for Resource acquisition and saving a sick child.

Even the QMs have indirectly lent their support. If mostly by logic provided than word.
 
Well I'm a QM and I'll say it, he's only there for the lance. If the Zet continue to roll garbage, they will lose the empire because they're not empire builders.

Soberan, this is me as a QM telling you to calm it down. You're making a lot of wild assumptions that you're lending a lot of weight to with no evidence from the quest as of yet.

I really don't get it, you try to admonish me for saying the Zeti have a possibility to lose the empire and I mention they losing control of their empire also not a 100% guarantee when answered a comment that mention the Zeti will lose all our stuff no question asked.

I do concede the point of the Auction but still think we should at least try to buy before going all guns blazing.
 
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ok so, there's a lot of conversation here so I can't go through all of it. but we already know for a fact that eggman can build machines that are immune to the Zeti's control (like the T-rex badnick from IDW) shouldn't there be an action to start implementing that upgrade?
 
ok so, there's a lot of concersation here so I can't go through all of it. but we already know for a fact that eggman can build machines that are immune to the Zeti's control (like the T-rex badnick from IDW) shouldn't there be an action to start implementing that upgrade?

He do but it would mean to leave the focus on Curing Cassia.

AP Hell. Spending time gathering funds means we aren't doing something else.

Like getting our Silver bullet or sabatoging our concerningly successful enemies.

Even if we wanted to we don't have time.

The conch is not a silver bullet that will solve all our problems, sure it would be helpful fighting against them but it only work as long you lungs allow it and nothing say the Zeti can intercept the conch from our hands before it could be blow much like they with Starline in the comic. So you technically can fight the Deadly Six without the conch, just need to be clever about it and they techopath ability have limits less they woudl not need a Chaos Emerald to take control of the zombots.

Say @Kingster can we use the funds we acquire here for other actions in the future or just something exclusive for this adventure, it sounds a bit too much effort for something meant to be one time deal. Not trying to fight you or anything just want to know if we can use them for other stuff.
 
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