Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

I don't want to actually do it, because it may lead to complications, but we could just pop them into sanctuary and pop them back out again when we get stateside, rendering any problems with getting them INTO the US moot.

And then get IRIS to file for a guest worker visa for them and hire them as employees of our diamond company. Basically get them safe first, THEN get the paperwork in order legally.

There is also the visa lottery that I am sure ether IRIS or a little entropy magic to alter the odds can ensure the are winners this year.
 
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Hopefully we can finally get Sandstrike Blast.
Get Tiffany some Lore of Storms.
And possibly get Lydia some necromancy as well as some Devil Fighter.

I don't see why we can't use a combination approach here?
11 million undocumented migrants in the US get around without paperwork or support.
Better to wait and do it properly than to reveal IRIS penetrating systems or risk a fumble.

I don't want to actually do it, because it may lead to complications, but we could just pop them into sanctuary and pop them back out again when we get stateside, rendering any problems with getting them INTO the US moot.

And then get IRIS to file for a guest worker visa for them and hire them as employees of our diamond company. Basically get them safe first, THEN get the paperwork in order legally.
I assumed thats what we're doing to get them to the US. Pack all their stuff, then use MHM to carry everything and hop through Sanctuary to Chicago.

But US immigrations paperwork involves stuff like port of entry records, and at this point in the timeline, they use a lot of paper records for that sort of thing.
I know someone whose travel paperwork was stalled because USCIS misplaced their paper file for like three years.

So my plan is to get them into the US via Sanctuary, have them keep a low profile until their paperwork is done, then use Sanctuary to get them back out to Guatemala City(or Panama City, or Costa Rica), board a plane whether commercial or private charter with a Molly clone as escort, and come in via Chicago O'Hare airport and do the paperwork that way.
 
[X] Call on one of your contacts
-[X] The White Council, it is likely to be slow in the wake of the chaos Peabody left in his wake, but everyone trusts them, it just means the Mendozas are going to have to be careful for a few months
-[x]"Of course if you want I am willing to extend the hospitality of sanctuary to you well you wait"
 
[X] Call on one of your contacts
-[X] The White Council, it is likely to be slow in the wake of the chaos Peabody left in his wake, but everyone trusts them, it just means the Mendozas are going to have to be careful for a few months
 
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Adhoc vote count started by uju32 on Nov 16, 2024 at 7:06 PM, finished with 12 posts and 6 votes.

  • [X] Call on one of your contacts
    -[X] The White Council, it is likely to be slow in the wake of the chaos Peabody left in his wake, but everyone trusts them, it just means the Mendozas are going to have to be careful for a few months
    [X] Government files are online these days, unleash IRIS on the relevant databases to produce documentation that might not be watertight but should be good enough
    [X] Have Thomas handle this.
    [X] Multi-Pronged Approach
    -[X] For the short-term, unleash IRIS on the relevant databases to produce false documentation that might not be watertight but should be good enough for now.
    -[X] While IRIS's work should suffice for the immediate future, that is not a long-term solution. For that, you can reach out to the White Council. It is likely to be slow in the wake of the chaos Peabody left in his wake, but everyone trusts them.
    [X] Call on one of your contacts
    -[X] The White Council, it is likely to be slow in the wake of the chaos Peabody left in his wake, but everyone trusts them, it just means the Mendozas are going to have to be careful for a few months
    -[x]"Of course if you want I am willing to extend the hospitality of sanctuary to you well you wait"
 
[X] Call on one of your contacts
-[X] The White Council, it is likely to be slow in the wake of the chaos Peabody left in his wake, but everyone trusts them, it just means the Mendozas are going to have to be careful for a few months

It seems unwise to push this info right onto the White Court or Library's desk even if they may eventually find out. The people we have dealt with are pretty reasonable but we don't know what leaks or politics or bargains are going.

Meanwhile, the White Council have just gone through a purge of traitorous elements, they have a familial connection with Harry and the Blackstaff, and most importantly the Red Court is already their most pressing enemy.

Plus, this may help Harry and Eb reconcile.
 
[X] Call on one of your contacts
-[X] The White Council, it is likely to be slow in the wake of the chaos Peabody left in his wake, but everyone trusts them, it just means the Mendozas are going to have to be careful for a few months
 
"So how are we getting five people through US Immigration on no notice?" Tiffany too had chosen to hang back and give Harry the chance to speak with his daughter privately

[] Government files are online these days, unleash IRIS on the relevant databases to produce documentation that might not be watertight but should be good enough

[] Call on one of your contacts
-[] Lara Raith, the White Court can do it easily though Harry's probably going to be dubious on the notion and Susan likely even more so
-[] The Library of Congress, they are the government, part of it at least
-[] The White Council, it is likely to be slow in the wake of the chaos Peabody left in his wake, but everyone trusts them, it just means the Mendozas are going to have to be careful for a few months

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I'm kind of thinking we want to get the hell out of dodge and THEN handle the paperwork.
Either stuff them inside our soul and travel personally, or Harry opens a Way, or we summon the Calibration Gate.
 
[X] Call on one of your contacts
-[X] The Library of Congress, they are the government, part of it at least


Ok, simple explanation for my reasoning:
1) Secrecy is not feasible long-term at all. Red Court tracked Michael via traffic cams in a city they didn't control at all. Molly and Molly's associates are 110% under 24/7 satellite observation and more esoteric tracking. Well, maybe not Molly, but her friends for sure.
2) Library can do this legitimately. "need a couple of visas for high value supernatural political people legitimately in need of asylum" is as low level of a favor as you get from the secret government organization outside of getting out of traffic tickets.
3) Asking them for this favor is a favor to them from us, as it acknowledges their authority in a way instead of just going over it. It's a nice political gesture "please do this small favor for me. I am nice enough to ask for it, instead of extracting it from you by force, which both of us know I am strong enough to do".
 
[X] Call on one of your contacts
-[X] The Library of Congress, they are the government, part of it at least
 
[X] Call on one of your contacts
-[X] The Library of Congress, they are the government, part of it at least
 
Does...

"Mendozas are going to have to be careful for a few months"

Mean that they are going to wait right there? Even without Maggie (cause nothing explicitly says she is not included in the 5 people needing paperwork) that sounds like a very bad idea potentially giving her the unnecessary canon tragic backstory of horribly murdered step family. But if she stays as well, this option is straight out unnaccepatle.
 
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[X] Call on one of your contacts
-[X] The Library of Congress, they are the government, part of it at least


That looks like the most popular non-White-Council vote right now, so going with this one for now.
 
[X] Call on one of your contacts
-[X] The Library of Congress, they are the government, part of it at least


The Library as part of the federal government can directly appeal to immigration to create visas for any number of reasons from saying they're Asylum Seekers to magical national security reasons they can just say pretty much anything and get a Visa approved.
It wouldn't really be a favor because Dresden is the warden commander of most of the United States him having a daughter in a foreign country with a literally foreign adversary actively looking for her is a massive national security threat.
 
It wouldn't really be a favor because Dresden is the warden commander of most of the United States him having a daughter in a foreign country with a literally foreign adversary actively looking for her is a massive national security threat.
I haven't thought of that, but yeah, there are actual legitimate natsec reasons here
 
Access is not control. They can approach and talk to people, up to the President, but they cant give people orders, nor do they have the kind of statutory or informal authority necessary to prevent said people looking. Nor can they police other agencies for infiltration. Thats kind of the problem here.

I'd absolutely approach them if I didnt care about who knew it. But we do care.

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Von Triers is a senior agent, not their leader as far as we know. We dont have contact with their actual leader or governing board. And the Federal Reserve incident was evidence that no, she doesnt have those kinds of personal contacts, presumably because the Library's remit has been to keep a low profile, something that was reinforced during the Cold War.

Compared to, say, Rashid who personally had the contacts to clear any legal issues from Harry returning from the dead in Cold Days.

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Its not going to be secret to everybody.
But since the bad guy factions are not a monolith, being able to restrict or impede the spread of information as a priority will materially affect the ability of bad guy factions to make use of this knowledge.

Which is why I'd rather not work through the Library here.
They don't need control for something like this. We're not talking about anything illegal, or arguably even unethical. This is essentially an asylum request from people under active threat of persecution.

A trusted authority reaching out to a personal contact and going "yes, we can confirm from an ongoing investigation that these guys are related to someone the Cartels want dead. Fast track and keep it quiet till they're in country" would speed things up and stay low profile for long enough that it doesn't matter if done correctly.

The Library's job is to know about infiltration and work to stop it, and failing that to work around it to protect the country. They should be able to do stuff like this.

Von Trier was the person in the room with the Senator running the Vegas incident, she was the one who would have been briefing the president if it went sour. I have no idea what you mean with the Federal Reserve thing, because Von Trier got the exact right person on the phone with us at 2am to handle the problem. We had to explain the problem, but it's not like Von Trier had time to pick up everything she needed to do it herself before the deadline anyway.

Being able to make that call happen is a sign of serious connections, and choose to leave it to use of good judgment.

I don't understand why you think the incidental contacts of older wizards outweigh the contacts of people whose lives revolve around the system. Rashid doesn't spend all day dealing with the US government, he has shit to do. Being magically powerful doesn't suddenly mean you're omnicompetent.

Beyond that, for Von Trier to be as old as she is she must be either a freak of nature grade sorcerer or a wizard level player. Being over three hundred years old and still looking late middle aged doesn't just happen without that or some kind of deal in the DF.

From what we've seen of her she's built at least part of her skill set for political/social applications. She picked her strategy for convincing the Senator by looking at the future and picking the path he'd find most persuasive, for example. That's not a minor trick in this context.

Even discounting the Library at large, which we shouldn't, a wizard who spends her entire career working with an organization and bends her magic to aiding that purpose is going to have better access than an external party who doesn't.

The council even had their ambassadors to the US work through the Library, better than even odds McCoy or Rashid's first call for this stuff will essentially be to her.

The key here is to get this done before people can react, any bad guy who can learn about this from our movements to bring her in will be able to learn it from her arrival. The critical security period is the transition.
 
[X] Call on one of your contacts
-[X] The Library of Congress, they are the government, part of it at least
 
[X] Call on one of your contacts
-[X] The Library of Congress, they are the government, part of it at least


I have been convinced. At some point we should do something nice for the Library of Congress, though. They've been nothing but helpful to us, and while it's in their best interests, I'd still like to do something to help them out that won't cost us too much. Maybe they'd like a supply of healing items from Sanctuary; that's helpful and not super difficult for us, without actually supplying weapons.
 
I have been convinced. At some point we should do something nice for the Library of Congress, though. They've been nothing but helpful to us, and while it's in their best interests, I'd still like to do something to help them out that won't cost us too much. Maybe they'd like a supply of healing items from Sanctuary; that's helpful and not super difficult for us, without actually supplying weapons.
I am fairly sure that, politically speaking, us talking to them is payment in itself.
 
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