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Attempting to Fulfill the Plan: GDI Edition

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The Lone badger said:
If someone's already stabbed you three times you don't hand him a knife while saying "I trust that, as a rational actor, you will recognise that it is not in your long-term self-interest to stab me." He clearly thinks stabbing you is an effective way to advance his interests, and maybe he knows something you don't. You can't model everything he might know and might be planning, but you can recognise patterns.

tl:dr if you assume Kane is a perfectly rational actor open to pursuing enlightened mutual-benefit he wouldn't have done half the things that he's already done.
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Okay.

What's the angle, why and how is he betraying us? What does 'lying about a way to keep Earth from exploding' get him?

I'm waiting.
 
I think that a confirmation of what Subordination will actually do since people have conflicting thoughts on either it help make a more United new society or just a bigger gdi?
 
Strunkriidiisk said:
Okay.

What's the angle, why and how is he betraying us? What does 'lying about a way to keep Earth from exploding' get him?

I'm waiting.
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I have no idea

Kane's smarter than me. Probably smarter than you. And he has a whole civilisation's worth of knowledge about the galaxy and tiberium in that box on his lap that I don't have. So trying to logically predict what his going to do is a mug's game - any of you willing to claim that you worked have rationally predicted the Visitors?
All I know about what comes next is that we won't like it.
 
The Lone badger said:
I have no idea

Kane's smarter than me. Probably smarter than you. And he has a whole civilisation's worth of knowledge about the galaxy and tiberium in that box on his lap that I don't have. So trying to logically predict what his going to do is a mug's game - any of you willing to claim that you worked have rationally predicted the Visitors?
All I know about what comes next is that we won't like it.
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So you have nothing.

This is pointless hand-wringing. Kane didn't betray the deal in the canon version of these events (i.e. Tib Twilight) and Ithillid's not going to rip the rug out from under your feet and say "surprise assholes, the only winning move was not to play" after having dictated this event to happen regardless.
 
without Kane does NOD really have the ability to contest us? we have orbital superiority and Kane isn't handing out goodies anymore so I'm not sure what all the warlords can accomplish that's actually problematic rather than irritating
 
[X] Tiberium Control Network Effect
There are two designs seriously proposed by Kane, a basic and advanced model. While both will work to contain and control tiberium, the advanced model offers a future of industrial and energetic plenty in a way that the basic does not.
[X] Technology Exchange
Kane has mastery of a number of fields of knowledge that humanity has only scratched the surface of. While pressuring him is difficult, he may well be willing to offer a number of technological data packages to help sweeten the pot.
[X] Truth and Reconciliation
After four major global wars, and over a half century of chronic low level fighting, there are a massive array of existing grievances, on both sides, ranging from bad calls, to intentional war crimes. While sorting through them will be the work of decades, bilateral and multilateral commissions will help smooth down some of the more egregious burrs.
 
Thorgon said:
without Kane does NOD really have the ability to contest us? we have orbital superiority and Kane isn't handing out goodies anymore so I'm not sure what all the warlords can accomplish that's actually problematic rather than irritating
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Long term?

Sort of.

Terrorism campaigns are deeply asymmetrical and work very well because of it, functioning on a basis of it costing far, far more resources to deal with the campaign that it does to prosecute it.

They can certainly make things very painful for GDI if they want to.

Practically however, GDI has the advantage and unless it falls apart and/or stagnates, Nod's warlords are always the lesser power kept around only because the local super power doesn't want to have the headache of trying to conquer them.
 
Kane does not need to betray us, in this situation. He's getting everything he wanted, more or less, instead of losing and dying. Us losing and dying might appeal to a little ember of spite in his heart, but that's not much.

Kane also isn't against the human species, and never has been. He had options. He chose to live on preindustrial Earth for literally thousands of years in peace, enjoying the company of friends, lovers, and colleagues, in spite of certainly having continuous frustrations about human failings and the conditions of society around him. He was content to be an open hand of inquiry and progress instead of crash industrializing to spaceflight with an army of super-nerds and getting himself the hell out. This was after he got his soul ripped in half, too.

For all the disappointment of his time in the Soviet Union, he just dusted off his feet and left. We weren't ready. It was only tiberium. That's it, that's where Kane snaps. When that meteor fell, it placed him in an impossible situation, at a time when humanity seemed to be regressing during a critical point. He focused all of his traumatized intellect into solving that problem, and Nod arose from it. Even here in this negotiation he's laser-focused on his hopes and disappointments regarding humanity.
 
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