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shouldn't we try an excellency or something to convince the dead? Like I know we're low on essence but we need a bleach bath anyways.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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I think throwing everything out there might be a good idea? We aren't going to get a better audience than "we just saved all your asses, killed an outsider infected archmage and proved an angel incorrect right to there face"
So with that In mind,
[x] Yog
Plus it's not like we need to make the decisions right this instant, but it would be a good thing to bring up now
So with that In mind,
[x] Yog
Plus it's not like we need to make the decisions right this instant, but it would be a good thing to bring up now
This should be Lydia's job, I think.
It gives hope to the wardens who have been compromised, and I think it's not a bad time to try and push. If not now, then when?
Ivar
Dark Reaper
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Yeah, I agree that it's time to push it now. Because then they'll just fucking kill them. That's how the White Council works. We have to at least ensure their retention. At most, push through the beginnings of Molly's reforms. If they attack us now or we enter a serioussocial combat... Well, damn, I think I suggest we just abandon these stubborn sheep.
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I still think it's a terrible and very stupid idea to make this radical political proposal without more essence to spend on excellence, but we're also going to find our opponents tired, nervous and not even close to paying full attention because of the imminent political crisis they're going to have.
Ready-made solutions to problems are a poisoned apple that few leaders refuse in times of emergency.
[X] Yog
Ready-made solutions to problems are a poisoned apple that few leaders refuse in times of emergency.
[X] Yog
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
That is not what that vote says or implies.
This is not a vote on whether or not to bring it up at all. Warlocks don't get executed immediately unless in the field during combat.
When we have more motes to spend on excellencies to try and sell it? This is an extremely politically charged subject for the Council.
I guess I can see the logic. Hit them with it while they're off balance as opposed to first mentioning the possibility before the senior council.
[X] [Dead] Offer to raise the dead wizards
[X] [Warlocks] Explain all your plans for saving those who unwittingly break the Laws, the dead spirits, the book of names, all of it
That is not how it works. They do a trail and rehabilitation attempts are also a thing that exist. They only "just fucking kill them" when in the field mid combat because they can't take them in.
Edit: Warlocks not wardens.
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shouldn't we still do an excellency to convince the council though if we're gonna do something that probably goes against some of their intimacies?
Ivar
Dark Reaper
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Rehabilitation is the exception, not the rule. Dresden is McCoy's grandson who pulled him out and put his neck on the line. How many mages would dare to do the same for those who were among the traitors, even against their will?
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
Did you read my post? They do a trail first.
We'd have time to bring it up after this while we have more motes to try and sell the politically charged concept. This idea that they'd just kill them all in record time because we didn't bring up the plethora of ideas we have here and now is a false narrative and misinformation.
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Pretty much what I was thinking, plus we've got the new essence mage (Dresden) probably on our side in this, so that will also help
Ivar
Dark Reaper
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Okay, fine. I will, however, offer a counterpoint. If we do this now, we will not waste time on this later, disrupting these future trials and reforming the justice system in the middle of the proceedings. And maybe spending less on the AP
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Wonder how long it'd take to deal with that list of like a bit less than 20 traitors to the council. Might need to take two bleach baths to do it honestly. Also you know the associated schemes of said traitors. Because dealing with them will not deal with all their schemes.
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This Death Curse was actually incredibly dangerous. Without the Occult Skill, Molly would have to rely on others to help break it. It's on par with LeFay's Death Curse in terms of danger.
But honestly, while it was the best move he could play against Molly individually, he would've had better chances at damaging the White Council by aiming for the Merlin or Dresden; take out either and you'll cripple the leadership/future potential. Molly still could've Counterspelled, but if he went for a matter-to-energy conversion and tried to catch them as collateral, that would've been wiser (and Molly could've died to that too without a Perfect Defense, even if she can respawn).
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
We will be wasting time on this later make no mistake. That is how politics work. You waste a lot of your time.
Major reforms for the WC or changing how they've been handling warlocks and the like for hundreds of years will be a major AP investment regardless of anything else. I see what your saying though, which is why I'm voting for it.
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I think on a purely mechanical level his best option for spite would have been a really big boom.
We can't counterspell that, he would have gotten the Wardens and maybe one or more of the VIPs we brought with us.
Sure, Molly could have toughened it out, but standing between the blast shadows of the people we came here to save would still have sucked.
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Considering what eb can do with just most of his magic in sheer destruction imagine what the outsider archmage could do with their death curse.
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I think they just had a flare for the dramatics and wanted to fuck with us on a personal level more than others.
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Sure, and it was a good gesture.
But he might as well have tried to break down the mountain we brought here with a teaspoon.
Perfect Defense trumps clever and spiteful curse 10/10 times, but even an Exalted with all kinds of shaping and perfect defenses can't defend an arbitrary number of other people at once.
It did not, the sign was just what it would have been had you not made the counter-spell roll.
I understand. I was responding to
I understood it to mean that fictionfan wanted to keep their resurrection from White Council. My response was that we had no ethical way to do so, as i see it. Yes, we could engineer social isolation and keep them secret. But I don't want to, and think most of the ways to do so are unethical enough that we shouldn't go for those.
That's a good point, but raising the issue now alleviates the pressure on the involuntary warlocks to try and escape, I think, while putting the pressure on senior council to consider our proposals. It also provides long-term solutions that don't rely on us. That's important. False Spring Beckons is an active charm by Molly, which puts its subjects under her control. That cannot be acceptable long term to the council. If we reveal stuff like books of laws, familiar spirits and whatever we have (I forget) to cure the derangements, it makes FSB a temporary patch only needed to hold until long term solutions are implemented. And it's important that long term solutions maintain WC's independence as an institution.
Yeah, ok. Empathy excellency, I guess?
[X] Plan Grand Strategy
-[X] Activate Empathy excellency
-[X] [Dead] Offer to raise the dead wizards
--[X] Lydia helps to talk to them, uses excellency if applicable
-[X] [Warlocks] Explain all your plans for saving those who unwittingly break the Laws, the dead spirits, the book of names, all of it
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[X] Plan Grand Strategy
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[X] Plan Grand Strategy
Nephandi archmage; the whey powder of the soul.
Did we get a free demolition for the labyrinth too or is it "just" damaged a bit? I was thinking we'd need to spend AP to burn this place to the ground, but if Markus cleaned up after himself that'd be excellent.
Molly is scary so I get it, but hopefully this doesn't turn into a problem for us. I mean, I'm not sure how we could possibly prove our good intent towards them more throughly than we just did. If we wanted them dead or at our mercy it would have been way easier to accomplish than anything we did to save them.
We shouldn't mess with people's souls without permission, it's bad policy. They know what the wheel is already, and we can make some pretty solid promises not to fuck with their souls since we don't want to in the first place.
This is way too much at once. I think we should do this in steps or we risk them getting overwhelmed and saying no to everything in a knee-jerk reaction. We should have tons of good will, but that doesn't mean people won't panic in the aftermath of a disaster like this anyway.
Bring back the wizards back first, then get into the Warlock splendor and FSB patch. It's unclear if you mean to include the pigeon god stuff here too, but if that's the case I think it should be a discussion for later.
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Considering we've known about white council traitors for a real life year I don't have confidence of these things happening with time.Nephandi archmage; the whey powder of the soul.
Did we get a free demolition for the labyrinth too or is it "just" damaged a bit? I was thinking we'd need to spend AP to burn this place to the ground, but if Markus cleaned up after himself that'd be excellent.
Molly is scary so I get it, but hopefully this doesn't turn into a problem for us. I mean, I'm not sure how we could possibly prove our good intent towards them more throughly than we just did. If we wanted them dead or at our mercy it would have been way easier to accomplish than anything we did to save them.
We shouldn't mess with people's souls without permission, it's bad policy. They know what the wheel is already, and we can make some pretty solid promises not to fuck with their souls since we don't want to in the first place.
This is way too much at once. I think we should do this in steps or we risk them getting overwhelmed and saying no to everything in a knee-jerk reaction. We should have tons of good will, but that doesn't mean people won't panic in the aftermath of a disaster like this anyway.
Bring back the wizards back first, then get into the Warlock splendor and FSB patch. It's unclear if you mean to include the pigeon god stuff here too, but if that's the case I think it should be a discussion for later.