Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Well, as one example, we know old Thornyboy can teleport really well, despite even wards like those in Edinburgh.

So possible plan would be to step through, survive the instance of your arrival, teleport somewhere else and disguise yourself as a local.
Then he'd have time to learn more and plan carefully.

No need for overwhelming power or scene-long perfects in this case, just one instance of defense followed by teleport.
That teleportation ability:
1) is a measure of desperation
2) Only allows teleportation to familiar places. Here is the description.
3) Any defense we'll be making will naturally involve circles and anti-teleportation measures (as many as we can cram). All NeverNever teleportation will fail because there's no NeverNever in the Courts. Most non-NeverNever teleportation will fail because the subtle laws of our world are different. Non-Nevernever teleportation that allows arbitrary teleportation to never before seen places will be contested by defenses. The abilities demonstrated so far by our enemies do not provide an easy bypass to that.
 
Well, as one example, we know old Thornyboy can teleport really well, despite even wards like those in Edinburgh.

So possible plan would be to step through, survive the instance of your arrival, teleport somewhere else and disguise yourself as a local.
Then he'd have time to learn more and plan carefully.

No need for overwhelming power or scene-long perfects in this case, just one instance of defense followed by teleport.
I mean teleport where wouldn't they need to see the inside first not to teleport into a kill zone? Also I'm 100% sure parts of our hell has teleportation defenses and sensors.
 
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We would do simultaneous raids, like what law enforcement does against orgnised crime, for exactly the same reason.

What damage. He is a minor spirit trying to take over the internet. We have billions of such spirits, we can very easily mob him.

Lmao, are you honestly worried about the true magi suddenly gaining acess to exaltation shards out of no where.

I guess i can just claim since they know how reality was made the denarians can teach mages to cause false vacuum collapses and destroy the universe. Thats also plausable knowledge they have and its even more urgent than a exaltation.

Like wildly exaggerating their threat level is not worth it. We literally dog walked their entire conspiracy in like 4 hours. They are not playing on our levels. A hundered power armoured soldiers with counter spellers can easily destroy them.

We divined every traitor in a super conspiracy in a single after noon. What downplaying?? Like they would have to be idiots to not understand the scope of our visions.

How does any military extract people. We bring our equivalent of stealth helicopters to deploy a dozen squads of cyborgs and sorcerers and they just exfiltrate them.

Before you talk about the mexican government to say its not viable. Its already a vampire puppet. They already know about us and I don't repect their sovereignty or care about their reaction. Because honestly they can't do anything to us.

Because denarian attack is always a possiblty ad evidenced by the thorned guy. we also in character loath them, rightfully so.
I mean honestly yeah on the exaltations doylist jsutification is dp is gonna keep upping the threats and certain beings really shouldn't be allowed action earth side. So gotta make some shit up other than forcing stuff like the red king and such of course. God I wish we had downtime in this quest every single month is something even canon harry usually had less important supernatural shit going on for the most of the year in between books.
 
What damage. He is a minor spirit trying to take over the internet. We have billions of such spirits, we can very easily mob him.
He is a major spirit of knowledge with poisonous Kemmler's knowledge in his possession in a realm of information never before seen. Housing crisis we have already blunted, I don't want to discover what societal poisons Evil Bob can produce.
Lmao, are you honestly worried about the true magi suddenly gaining acess to exaltation shards out of no where.

I guess i can just claim since they know how reality was made the denarians can teach mages to cause false vacuum collapses and destroy the universe. Thats also plausable knowledge they have and its even more urgent than a exaltation.

Like wildly exaggerating their threat level is not worth it. We literally dog walked their entire conspiracy in like 4 hours. They are not playing on our levels. A hundered power armoured soldiers with counter spellers can easily destroy them.
Not a shard, not necessarily. Corpse of Gilgamesh in full was regalia? Some ancient superweapon? Splendors left in ancient solar's tomb? Las Vegas analog? Disturbingly more plausible.
We divined every traitor in a super conspiracy in a single after noon. What downplaying?? Like they would have to be idiots to not understand the scope of our visions.
We never told them about everyone. We only told them "we see those that try to see us" with an added "and can somewhat backtrack at that moment".
How does any military extract people. We bring our equivalent of stealth helicopters to deploy a dozen squads of cyborgs and sorcerers and they just exfiltrate them.

Before you talk about the mexican government to say its not viable. Its already a vampire puppet. They already know about us and I don't repect their sovereignty or care about their reaction. Because honestly they can't do anything to us.
How do we get them in, not out. The stuff you are talking about already looks like a major military operation and masquerade breach.
Because denarian attack is always a possiblty ad evidenced by the thorned guy. we also in character loath them, rightfully so.
So, no specific reason to sink our entire AP pool with essentially no prep on it?
 
He is a major spirit of knowledge with poisonous Kemmler's knowledge in his possession in a realm of information never before seen. Housing crisis we have already blunted, I don't want to discover what societal poisons Evil Bob can produce.

Not a shard, not necessarily. Corpse of Gilgamesh in full was regalia? Some ancient superweapon? Splendors left in ancient solar's tomb? Las Vegas analog? Disturbingly more plausible.

We never told them about everyone. We only told them "we see those that try to see us" with an added "and can somewhat backtrack at that moment".

How do we get them in, not out. The stuff you are talking about already looks like a major military operation and masquerade breach.

So, no specific reason to sink our entire AP pool with essentially no prep on it?
Man a part of me really wants to go treasure hunting with crown questions. Just go to a museum and ask where shit is like artifacts of heracles or certain gods. Also still curious if we count as mortal enough to do hades trials.
 
Man a part of me really wants to go treasure hunting with crown questions. Just go to a museum and ask where shit is like artifacts of heracles or certain gods. Also still curious if we count as mortal enough to do hades trials.
I really, really want to do that, yes. The insane pace we are at if exhausting, and I want fun adventures too, believe me. Imperial seal of China, the library of Ivan the Terrible, Siriothrax's hoard, etc are all things I want to find.
 
I mean honestly yeah on the exaltations doylist jsutification is dp is gonna keep upping the threats and certain beings really shouldn't be allowed action earth side. So gotta make some shit up other than forcing stuff like the red king and such of course. God I wish we had downtime in this quest every single month is something even canon harry usually had less important supernatural shit going on for the most of the year in between books.

I agree with wanting even a single month of downtime.

That is even more annoying when you remember we have a crafting build and can never use it.
 
I agree with wanting even a single month of downtime.

That is even more annoying when you remember we have a crafting build and can never use it.
So far, assuming Bob is handled this turn, I have a plan (and a ten page document with arguments for it) written that has only two "adventures" next turn - True Magi and retrieving Dresden's daughter. If Dresden decides to handle the latter himself / with McCoy only, then I even got place for going to the horror convention with Rosie as Molly prime - a nice, low level adventure with possible Scooby Doo shenanigans as we get to disrupt whatever mischief local minor talents might have planned. All other actions I have planned are essentially crafting.
 
He is a major spirit of knowledge with poisonous Kemmler's knowledge in his possession in a realm of information never before seen. Housing crisis we have already blunted, I don't want to discover what societal poisons Evil Bob can produce.
We have better spirits is my point. We dominate the internet if we want.
Not a shard, not necessarily. Corpse of Gilgamesh in full was regalia? Some ancient superweapon? Splendors left in ancient solar's tomb? Las Vegas analog? Disturbingly more plausible.
Two hundred into 7 agg damage every round clears those. We divine the mission before hand so no real surprises and then we can bind and send in local spirits if its something like las vegas or even this coffin.

We just have so many more resources than them its crazy. We will beat them with sheer industrial and logistic might of our world.

And if things get bad enough we are like a phone call away.
We never told them about everyone. We only told them "we see those that try to see us" with an added "and can somewhat backtrack at that moment".
They do have Ability to make deductions, they will just cross check against our past actions and realise we are never at an informational disadvantage.
How do we get them in, not out. The stuff you are talking about already looks like a major military operation and masquerade breach.
Get who in?? Regardless the answer is stealth helecopters and drone strikes.


Its no more a maqurade breach than osama's death was. Mexican government already knows about the super natural, its their boss and they aren't going to shout that it was magical spec ops raid, because no one would belive them.
So, no specific reason to sink our entire AP pool with essentially no prep on it
The ap would be the prep.

What do you mean no specific one. We literally see two denarians coopted by the outside and helping in their operations. They are literally plotting against us specifically. Thorned namashiel definitely is if nothing else for the humiliation. Do you really want him the time to brood and preapre rituals and counters for us for the entire year.
 
Two hundred into 7 agg damage every round clears those. We divine the mission before hand so no real surprises and then we can bind and send in local spirits if its something like las vegas or even this coffin.

We just have so many more resources than them its crazy. We will beat them with sheer industrial and logistic might of our world.

And if things get bad enough we are like a phone call away
What you describe requires AP spending.

Get who in?? Regardless the answer is stealth helecopters and drone strikes.


Its no more a maqurade breach than osama's death was. Mexican government already knows about the super natural, its their boss and they aren't going to shout that it was magical spec ops raid, because no one would belive them.
Get the cyborg kill squads in. We don't know what Mexican / given South American nation government knows. And what you describe requires an AP action, I am almost sure of it.
The ap would be the prep.
What kind of prep? I was talking about making equipment at least.

What do you mean no specific one. We literally see two denarians coopted by the outside and helping in their operations. They are literally plotting against us specifically. Thorned namashiel definitely is if nothing else for the humiliation. Do you really want him the time to brood and preapre rituals and counters for us for the entire year.
Exactly, no specific reason. There's no specific action that we need to stop denarians from doing next month, no time critical mission we need to disrupt, no time sensitive information that we need tk act upon lest it becomes obsolete. In fact, Gatekeeper's interlude gives us more breathing room, as it indicates that they're going to be busy cleaning house for the immediate future.
 
What you describe requires AP spending.

And what you describe requires an AP action, I am almost sure of it
Why??
We just order it and they do the recon and then plan and excute it. Whats that got to do with us.


We don't know what Mexican / given South American nation government knows.
It frankly doesn't matter. They aren't soverign states, effectively. They are proxy actors for the red court.
What kind of prep? I was talking about making equipment at least.
Whatever seems appropriate. I personally refuse to engage with the crafting system because i think holdens system is trash. Maybe a device to shut down all escape and then some anti magical wards and then we just sword them.
There's no specific action that we need to stop denarians from doing next month, no time critical mission we need to disrupt, no time sensitive information that we need tk act upon lest it becomes obsolete.

Yes there is. Thorned namashiel is humilatef by us. It will be setting up traps and rituals for us. Its like that saying, don't do me a little harm or whatever. You finish all fights that you start.


And i don't trust the denarians, they are stupid and alresdy subverted. Like imagine all the damage a true magi can do and then multiply that with angelic knowledge.
 
Adhoc vote count started by Anaja on Oct 23, 2024 at 5:28 AM, finished with 179 posts and 17 votes.

  • [X] Plan altogether now
    -[X] Molly, Harry, and Ebeneezer (if he can) try to counterspell / unweave the thing together
    --[X] Molly uses Occult Excellency, lowers the temperature around herself to activate WHWH, renews BSM if necessary, and spends 1 WP for an autosuccess
    --[X] Harry sinks his whole mote pool, and spends one WP for 5 autosuccesses
    -[X] Sophia: Confirm Merlin ID first. Secret of Gaia + Sense The Unnatural
    -[X] Sophia: Howl of Healing to save the still living wizards. Help with magic bomb if necessary
    -[X] Lydia: Focuses on saving as many wizard souls as possible. Anima Power and Excellency if necessary
    -[X] Sanctuary Fire Team: Secure the battleground and every body here.
    -[X] [Crown Question] [Focus - Broken Warden Sword 1] Who of those who have walked this Labyrinth have been tainted by it?
    -[X] [Crown Question] [Focus - Broken Warden Sword 2] Who and where are the missing wizards?
    [X]Plan Hell Seer
    -[X] Molly: Try to destroy it yourself (Risk of taking considerable damage from backlash)
    -[X] Sophia: Confirm Merlin ID first. Secret of Gaia + Sense The Unnatural
    -[X] Sophia: Howl of Healing to save the still living wizards. Help with magic bomb if necessary
    -[X] Lydia: Focuses on saving as many wizard souls as possible. Anima Power and Excellency if necessary
    -[X] Sanctuary Fire Team: Secure the battleground and every body here.
    -[X] [Crown Question] [Focus - Broken Warden Sword 1] Who of those who have walked this Labyrinth have been tainted by it?
    -[X] [Crown Question] [Focus - Broken Warden Sword 2] Who and where are the missing wizards?
    [X] Plan Emergency Medical Hellspawn
    -[X] Let the Blackstaff handle it
    -[X] Howl of Healing to save the still living wizards.
    -[X] Lydia identifies who among the dead Molly might be able to bring back.
    -[X] Molly focuses on saving as many wizards as possible, all remaining party members secure the battleground.
    -[X] [Crown Question] [Focus - scene] Who of those who entered today has fallen to the Labyrinth?
    [X] Plan Digital Age
    -[X] Get a mobile phone from Sophia, Use Digital Possessions Management on the Veil-ripping device to store it in the phone without potentially damaging Clippy's body and all the records it holds
 
So far, assuming Bob is handled this turn, I have a plan (and a ten page document with arguments for it) written that has only two "adventures" next turn - True Magi and retrieving Dresden's daughter. If Dresden decides to handle the latter himself / with McCoy only, then I even got place for going to the horror convention with Rosie as Molly prime - a nice, low level adventure with possible Scooby Doo shenanigans as we get to disrupt whatever mischief local minor talents might have planned. All other actions I have planned are essentially crafting.

Every time we move outside chicago for *some nice little adventure* it becomes a big thing.

I would much prefer let Harry handle his daughter, and stay at home.
 
Why??
We just order it and they do the recon and then plan and excute it. Whats that got to do with us.
Because it involves multiple Crown uses, coordination of forces, planning that has to be done by Molly, etc.
It frankly doesn't matter. They aren't soverign states, effectively. They are proxy actors for the red court.
They are both.
Whatever seems appropriate. I personally refuse to engage with the crafting system because i think holdens system is trash. Maybe a device to shut down all escape and then some anti magical wards and then we just sword them.
While you are free to do so, and I almost agree that "just swording them" is a workable tactic, given demonstrated and implied capabilities, equipment like armor, anti-escape measures (that's better handled with "When the Tigers Broke Free"), etc are separate crafting actions.
Yes there is. Thorned namashiel is humilatef by us. It will be setting up traps and rituals for us. Its like that saying, don't do me a little harm or whatever. You finish all fights that you start.


And i don't trust the denarians, they are stupid and alresdy subverted. Like imagine all the damage a true magi can do and then multiply that with angelic knowledge.
Denarians cannot afford to drop everything and concentrate on us. Lasciel might, but if I am not mistaken she's still held by the Church. I very highly doubt that Thorned Namshiel will be ready to do anything by the end of next month or two. DIfferent timescales - our rapid pace is an OCP by itself. I would prefer not to go off half-cocked and with our backs unprotected.
Every time we move outside chicago for *some nice little adventure* it becomes a big thing.

I would much prefer let Harry handle his daughter, and stay at home.
Normally yes, Harry is absolutely entitled to do with his daughter as he wills, if he asks for help, we'll be helping. I merely acknowledge that he's likely to ask for help / backup at this point of our relationship.
 
Because it involves multiple Crown uses, coordination of forces, planning that has to be done by Molly, etc
Using crown divination takes a few seconds.

We don't need to plan or coordinate anything. We have a modern military. They can do that. They are not children, we don't need to micro manage them.
I mean sure but my point is i don't think the consequences will be worth regarding. Its a pretty impotent in regards to do anything to us.

Like realistically they can't do anything to us. If they could then the red court would have already done it, they are desprate to find some way to hold us.
While you are free to do so, and I almost agree that "just swording them" is a workable tactic, given demonstrated and implied capabilities, equipment like armor, anti-escape measures (that's better handled with "When the Tigers Broke Free"), etc are separate crafting actions.
Part of the prep AP would be that.
Denarians cannot afford to drop everything and concentrate on us. Lasciel might, but if I am not mistaken she's still held by the Church. I very highly doubt that Thorned Namshiel will be ready to do anything by the end of next month or two. DIfferent timescales - our rapid pace is an OCP by itself. I would prefer not to go off half-cocked and with our backs unprotected.
They can, they are by far the most free antagonist we have. They literally have no obligation or limitation as befiting their free willed mortal status.

An entire turn dedicated to hunting them is not half cocked. We have stopped like an average of 1 outsider incursion every turn.
 
An entire turn dedicated to hunting them is not half cocked. We have stopped like an average of 1 outsider incursion every turn.
Exactly, stopped. This is going off half cocked with no preparation or prompting to get us even more enemies that we actively poked. Ideally I'd prefer to neutralize Red Court before going after denarians, but that's unrealistic.
 
Vote closed.
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Oct 23, 2024 at 11:26 AM, finished with 187 posts and 17 votes.

  • [X] Plan altogether now
    -[X] Molly, Harry, and Ebeneezer (if he can) try to counterspell / unweave the thing together
    --[X] Molly uses Occult Excellency, lowers the temperature around herself to activate WHWH, renews BSM if necessary, and spends 1 WP for an autosuccess
    --[X] Harry sinks his whole mote pool, and spends one WP for 5 autosuccesses
    -[X] Sophia: Confirm Merlin ID first. Secret of Gaia + Sense The Unnatural
    -[X] Sophia: Howl of Healing to save the still living wizards. Help with magic bomb if necessary
    -[X] Lydia: Focuses on saving as many wizard souls as possible. Anima Power and Excellency if necessary
    -[X] Sanctuary Fire Team: Secure the battleground and every body here.
    -[X] [Crown Question] [Focus - Broken Warden Sword 1] Who of those who have walked this Labyrinth have been tainted by it?
    -[X] [Crown Question] [Focus - Broken Warden Sword 2] Who and where are the missing wizards?
    [X]Plan Hell Seer
    -[X] Molly: Try to destroy it yourself (Risk of taking considerable damage from backlash)
    -[X] Sophia: Confirm Merlin ID first. Secret of Gaia + Sense The Unnatural
    -[X] Sophia: Howl of Healing to save the still living wizards. Help with magic bomb if necessary
    -[X] Lydia: Focuses on saving as many wizard souls as possible. Anima Power and Excellency if necessary
    -[X] Sanctuary Fire Team: Secure the battleground and every body here.
    -[X] [Crown Question] [Focus - Broken Warden Sword 1] Who of those who have walked this Labyrinth have been tainted by it?
    -[X] [Crown Question] [Focus - Broken Warden Sword 2] Who and where are the missing wizards?
    [X] Plan Emergency Medical Hellspawn
    -[X] Let the Blackstaff handle it
    -[X] Howl of Healing to save the still living wizards.
    -[X] Lydia identifies who among the dead Molly might be able to bring back.
    -[X] Molly focuses on saving as many wizards as possible, all remaining party members secure the battleground.
    -[X] [Crown Question] [Focus - scene] Who of those who entered today has fallen to the Labyrinth?
    [X] Plan Digital Age
    -[X] Get a mobile phone from Sophia, Use Digital Possessions Management on the Veil-ripping device to store it in the phone without potentially damaging Clippy's body and all the records it holds
 
Arc 14 Post 53: Diffused
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18th of February 2007 A.D.

"Is he...?" You've almost been tricked too many times today to not ask, but Sophia sends back the all clear so you call out: "On the count of three?"

"You two pull apart the mechanisms I can ground the power, Ebeneezer watch for traps," Langtry commands, his voice holding in equal measure conviction and exhaustion. The word 'still' hangs unspoken in the air, he thinks he can still ground the power.

Thankfully you are not the only one who heard that. "I'll help ground it, we all have eyes in our heads," McCoy says, approaching the contraption of steel, magic and pain from the opposite direction.

"I can help," Harry speaks up, still moving gingerly into the room, like he'd suddenly gotten three inches of height and was afraid to knock his head on the ceiling. No danger of that here. It seems to have been some kind of chapel, though of what you could not say and you're not sure you want to know.

"Three, two, one..."

Sophia tries to stir the life in the fallen wizards, but none of them stir, a look of anger and of anguish on her face-that-is-yours.

"Now!" you call peeling the rotten skin of the enchantment like the nastiest most wormy potato, if a potato's eyes could see and hate. McCoy just yanks out the anchors, sweeping them in Langtry's direction. It would, you think have been enough to kill the curse dead, maybe a bit of the bedroock would have gone on a trip to Faerie, but no one in the city above would have noticed. Then Harry plants his staff throws up his left hand and for the briefest instant becomes a pillar of molten essence, one with the warp and weft of the world folding the tainted power away into the very veil it had been meant to break.

Harry loses 4 Essence and 1 Willpower -> Now at 7/8 willpower and 0/5 Essence

"What did you...?" Shock is not an emotion to which the Merlin's aristocratic features are accustomed to both due the wisdom he has gathered in his centuries of life and the poker face he's cultivated for just as long.

"Just something I figured out recently." From someone else or spoken in another tone the words might have sounded prideful, here and now they sound worried.

"As in within the last five minutes," Lydia says, smiling at the understatement or maybe just at the fact this seems to finally be over.

Taking advantage of the distraction you look down at the broken swords and ask: "Who of those who have walked this Labyrinth have been tainted by it?"

"Carmen Sanchez, Peter Volkov, Cornelius Greenwood"


Not Langtry, thank God! A less charitable part of you, one that happens to speak with a demon's voice notes that at least one senior wizard seems to have dealt with the crises reasonably on his own, even if he did have to fall into a trap first.

Alas you can still count, so as Sophia gathers herself to try to heal the fallen wardens again you ask again: "Who are the missing wizards? Where are they?"

You get names alright: "Bill Mayers, Chandler Abbot, Lisa Strong, Jay Sagar, Alice Royce, Joséphine Aubert."

Lost in the Labyrinth.


Lost 3 Essence -> Now at 4/18 (3x Crown question)
Regained 2 Essence -> Now at 6/18 (Urge of the Forbidden)


Fuck! It's only the sound of metal scraping stone that makes you realize you had kicked the wall so hard it left a dent. Of course they would have been tempted too, of course some of them would lose themselves. A consolation prize for the Hollow Man's losses.

"Lydia, the dead..."

"None of them have passed," she confirms. "Those who die by violence rarely do before their first sunset."

The silver of her anima starts to unfold into the air to reveal a quartet of very bewildered wizards looking down at their own corpses. and the slowly stirring forms of their still living companions.

What do you do?

[] Propose going back into the Labyrinth to save the six who are lost in it somehow
-[] Write in with whom

[] There is already too much that needs doing, help with the clean up here and in the city above

[] Write in


OOC: Harry was not the only one who stepped into the Labyrinth, because it's not like it was a trap only for him, but the others did not have his advantages.
 
"Carmen Sanchez, Peter Volkov, Cornelius Greenwood"

Not Langtry, thank God! A less charitable part of you, one that happens to speak with a demon's voice notes that at least one senior wizard seems to have dealt with the crises reasonably on his own, even if he did have to fall into a trap first.
Thank the gods. At least someone was halfway competent. I share Molly's thoughts here. And I'm so glad we don't have to deal with a fallen Merlin. Personally, I think we need to finish things here and get those who are already lost if we can. And save the souls of those who can still be saved.
 
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