Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Okay I reread it and it seems like Uju is correct here.



If it's already exploding we won't be able to study it.
Also, DP already answered that there's a special case for magic items.
Your soul is the only place with enough data storage to digitize major magical items. Even Essence-Tech still has to pay for that scale.
Seems pretty clear that we normally store things in the device, including for most magic items. For a device like this it's still going to Molly's soul, but in a more muffled location.

[X] Plan Emergency Medical Hellspawn
-[X] Let the Blackstaff handle it
-[X] Howl of Healing to save the still living wizards.
-[X] Lydia identifies who among the dead Molly might be able to bring back.
-[X] Molly focuses on saving as many wizards as possible, all remaining party members secure the battleground.
 
If it's already exploding we won't be able to study it.
I agree that it's activating. I am unsure if it's exploding. We are explicitly given an option to take it to Sanctuary for later study, with only a risk of it going off:
[] Try to take it into Sanctuary for study (Risk of going off and serving as a beacon in the spirit world for predatory and malicious entities)
So, I assume that we have at least a chance of succeeding in this. Risk isn't a guarantee.

Also, it seems that if it goes off in a digitized state, we aren't highlighting Sanctuary, but might be eating some agg. damage or something:
You could do it, but you would still be putting the magical bomb inside your soul. If it blows that way it will be somewhat muffled instead of being thrown into sanctuary though, good thought.

Best option would be to drain it of energy, I think.
 
[X] Plan Emergency Medical Hellspawn

I'm unsure that the crisis is really over yet. Can we regain some essence with a crown question right now? Because if so its probably a good idea to make a crown question.
 
Also, DP already answered that there's a special case for magic items.
Seems pretty clear that we normally store things in the device, including for most magic items. For a device like this it's still going to Molly's soul, but in a more muffled location.
I agree that it's activating. I am unsure if it's exploding. We are explicitly given an option to take it to Sanctuary for later study, with only a risk of it going off:
Hmm.. Yeah, really need a ruling on this per Yog's earlier question.


Plan Emergency Medical Hellspawn
Can you add using a Crown question with this scene as a focus to see if Merlin got fucked by the Labyrinth or not? We still don't know if he's good.
 
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[X] Plan Emergency Medical Hellspawn
-[X] Let the Blackstaff handle it
-[X] Howl of Healing to save the still living wizards.
-[X] Lydia identifies who among the dead Molly might be able to bring back.
-[X] Molly focuses on saving as many wizards as possible, all remaining party members secure the battleground.
-[X] [Crown Question] [Focus - scene] Who of those who entered today has fallen to the Labyrinth?
Hmm.. Yeah, really need a ruling on this per Yog's earlier question.



Can you add using a Crown question with this scene as a focus to see if Merlin got fucked by the Labyrinth or not? We still don't know if he's good.
Slightly broader question to clear more people.

I think we have the ruling we need. The risk is only partially reduced because it has to go in some part of Molly's soul either way.
 
Also, another thought:
@DragonParadox Is Harry's mote pool full right now (sans one mote he donated to us, which, by the way, should be tallied)? Maybe he can attempt unweaving the thing? 5 autosuccesses is not little. Now, of course the issue is that in M20 (p. 545-546) it says the following:
Unweaving (Optional)
By using the most sophisticated form of countermagick,
a mage can unweave another mage's existing Effects. Curses,
gateways, wards, trigger-spells, transformations, and so on can
be untangled by a sufficiently successful unweaving endeavor.
Story-wise, the unweaver draws upon his understanding of
the Spheres, Prime energy, and the methods of enchantment,
then begins a ritual that unravels the original caster's work.
Game-wise, the character needs at least one dot in Prime, plus
at least one dot in each of the Spheres used in the original spell.
Rolling at +1 to the basic countermagick difficulty (again, see
above), the player tries to overcome each of the original caster's
successes.
How Many Successes Does It Take?
If the Effect has been in place for a while – like for a ward,
a gateway, a curse-in-progress, or a living construct that has been
put together through magick – unweaving demands at least 10
successes, possibly 20 or more in the case of major creations or
Great Works. Certain Effects – Gilgul, instant damage, sensory
magicks, and the titanic magicks used to craft Horizon Realms
– cannot be unwoven. Others might have precautions woven
into them, like the Primium armor used in many Technocratic
cyborgs and bio-constructs. In this case, the protection acts as
countermagick to the unweaving, subtracting successes from
the mage who's trying to unweave the original creation. The
moral: it's damn near impossible to unweave a HIT Mark. Still,
a gateway can be closed, a summoning circle destroyed, or an
enchantment broken by successful unweaving.
If it requires ten successes, Harry is out of luck. If not, then this might be an option, and he'll get to show off his new magical prowess.
 
[X] Plan Emergency Medical Hellspawn
-[X] Let the Blackstaff handle it
-[X] Howl of Healing to save the still living wizards.
-[X] Lydia identifies who among the dead Molly might be able to bring back.
-[X] Molly focuses on saving as many wizards as possible, all remaining party members secure the battleground.

Damn, Robert Picardo is old now. It's depressing how decrepit so many of the actors from my childhood have become. I guess that's what happens when you get older, like how all the music you used to listen to is now played on the classic rock radio station. :(
 
[X] Plan Emergency Medical Hellspawn
-[X] Let the Blackstaff handle it
-[X] Howl of Healing to save the still living wizards.
-[X] Lydia identifies who among the dead Molly might be able to bring back.
-[X] Molly focuses on saving as many wizards as possible, all remaining party members secure the battleground.
-[X] [Crown Question] [Focus - scene] Who of those who entered today has fallen to the Labyrinth?

Slightly broader question to clear more people.

I think we have the ruling we need. The risk is only partially reduced because it has to go in some part of Molly's soul either way.
I think this is a mistake, but I need another hour to think on this.

Nevertheless.
We shouldnt be risking Blackstaff McCoy on this; the Merlin is canonically stronger than he is, and if he is only just containing it, I dont really see McCoy doing much better right now.
 
I think this is a mistake, but I need another hour to think on this.

Nevertheless.
We shouldnt be risking Blackstaff McCoy on this; the Merlin is canonically stronger than he is, and if he is only just containing it, I dont really see McCoy doing much better right now.
in fairness the confidence that arthur could beat the other council members in a fight doesn't mean stronger. A gun is conditionally stronger than every senior council member if their shields aren't up. Fairly sure in pure destructive damage eb is number 1 on the council not that it means much in a fight. But, your probably right on worrying I am fairly sure the merlins specialty is better for this situation and if hes struggling your probably right to worry leaving it to eb is a bad idea. Still conditionally voting for bronze tongues until I see something I think is better though.
 
We shouldnt be risking Blackstaff McCoy on this; the Merlin is canonically stronger than he is, and if he is only just containing it, I dont really see McCoy doing much better right now.
McCoy has the BS which arguments his abilities and the Merlin doesn't. It's why he could tank and redirect Odin's signature weapon. Also wouldn't they be working together on it?
 
I think this is a mistake, but I need another hour to think on this.

Nevertheless.
We shouldnt be risking Blackstaff McCoy on this; the Merlin is canonically stronger than he is, and if he is only just containing it, I dont really see McCoy doing much better right now.
I want Molly on saving wizard souls if possible, and while the Merlin is good specialization is important for wizards. McCoy's business is impromptu high energy nonsense.
 
in fairness the confidence that arthur could beat the other council members in a fight doesn't mean stronger. A gun is conditionally stronger than every senior council member if their shields aren't up. Fairly sure in pure destructive damage eb is number 1 on the council not that it means much in a fight. But, your probably right on worrying I am fairly sure the merlins specialty is better for this situation and if hes struggling your probably right to worry leaving it to eb is a bad idea. Still conditionally voting for bronze tongues until I see something I think is better though.
McCoy has the BS which arguments his abilities and the Merlin doesn't. It's why he could tank and redirect Odin's signature weapon. Also wouldn't they be working together on it?
This is straight Word of Butcher
2011 Bitten By Books Q&A said:
Q: The Merlin is referred to as the most powerful wizard on the planet several times in the series. Is this just speculation, or is the Merlin position filled through some sort of test of power and skill?

A: The Merlin is a wizard who can give an order that probably 80 or 85 percent of the other wizards in the world will follow, including most of the Wardens. He's also the CEO of the White Council's financial holdings. He /is/ the most powerful wizard in the world, based on THAT if nothing else.

You don't get to be the Merlin without also being the guy that the rest of the Senior Council thinks can take them out, if it came down to a conflict–they're the ones who select a new Merlin from among themselves. Langtry regards direct, open conflict as a failure to use all his other options, when it comes down to it, and when he does fight he does it fast and hard and is utterly without fear–see the end battle with Peabody's pet in Turn Coat.
Langtry is the baddest motherfucker in the valley, by assessment of his peers.
 
I want Molly on saving wizard souls if possible, and while the Merlin is good specialization is important for wizards. McCoy's business is impromptu high energy nonsense.
McCoy is good, but he can fumble.

I think that Molly should be on the bomb thing.
Of everyone here, she is the most survivable, both in sheer soak(20+ aggravated soak) and health levels(~29 HLs)
And she has a shaping defense. If it blows up in her face, she shrugs it off, and gets healing from Sophia.

Plus, this is a massive WMD/trap for wizards, by a wizard/coven of wizards who knows what wizards can do.
Molly being an Exalt is an OCP.
Like when Namshiel dropped that boobytrap curse.


Lydia goes on saving wizard souls.
She's the Exigent of Death, its quite literally in her job description to deal with the newly dead, and she has Arawn whispering in her ear. Its both narratively and mechanically optimal to put her on this.
 
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This is straight Word of Butcher

Langtry is the baddest motherfucker in the valley, by assessment of his peers.
thats basically what I said though the quote essentially says that langtry could beat the others in a fight and the others are confident of that. This doesn't mean strongest this means that every council member is confident he could beat them in a fight. That can be argued to mean strongest but the most damage in one sitting can also be argued to be strongest. They all have their own specialties and I'm sure their stronger in their specialties. So yes can beat them like I said and is even likely to win in any given fight but that doesn't necessarily mean the same thing your thinking. I doubt langtry could pull off pulling a satellite from the sky as an example not that he could if didn't want to break one of the laws but I doubt his capability at all.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by Anaja on Oct 21, 2024 at 10:05 PM, finished with 60 posts and 8 votes.

  • [X] Plan Digital Age
    -[X] Get a mobile phone from Sophia, Use Digital Possessions Management on the Veil-ripping device to store it in the phone without potentially damaging Clippy's body and all the records it holds
    [X] Plan Emergency Medical Hellspawn
    -[X] Let the Blackstaff handle it
    -[X] Howl of Healing to save the still living wizards.
    -[X] Lydia identifies who among the dead Molly might be able to bring back.
    -[X] Molly focuses on saving as many wizards as possible, all remaining party members secure the battleground.
    -[X] [Crown Question] [Focus - scene] Who of those who entered today has fallen to the Labyrinth?
 
guys I'm gonna note if we do digital age we can't save any of the wardens and will be out of essence. Meaning if any fight happens we're somewhat fucked. Nor can we personally search for the 6 missing wizards.
 
Meaning if any fight happens we're somewhat fucked. Nor can we personally search for the 6 missing wizards.
We're still in shintai and have all of our scene long charms up so if we're fucked we were fucked anyway. Also I couldn't care less about those six warlocks when this thing is trying to sink the City of Paris a city with a population of 2 million people into the Never Never killing most of it.

All of these Wizards here can get fucked I don't care that they're hypnotized they're not worth putting 2 million people even partially at risk to save them.

Relying on the magic of wizards that is a dice roll in comparison to a sure solution to getting it out of here as well as us getting to study it later is not really something I care to do.
 
I don't want a beacon to Sanctuary.

Also we really need to see if the Merlin was altered by the Labyrinth or not along with any of these other guys for that matter but more importantly Merlin since he's the leader of the White Council. I'll be mad if after all of this he becomes an issue later because of what happened here off-screen.

We definitely need to use the Crown here.

[X] Plan Emergency Medical Hellspawn
-[X] Let the Blackstaff handle it
-[X] Howl of Healing to save the still living wizards.
-[X] Lydia identifies who among the dead Molly might be able to bring back.
-[X] Molly focuses on saving as many wizards as possible, all remaining party members secure the battleground.
-[X] [Crown Question] [Focus - scene] Who of those who entered today has fallen to the Labyrinth?
 
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I don't want a beacon to Sanctuary.

Also we really need to see if the Merlin was altered by the Labyrinth or not along with any of these other guys for that matter but more importantly Merlin since he's the leader of the White Council. I'll be mad if after all of this he becomes an issue later because of what happened here off-screen.

We definitely need to use the Crown here.

[X] Plan Emergency Medical Hellspawn
-[X] Let the Blackstaff handle it
-[X] Howl of Healing to save the still living wizards.
-[X] Lydia identifies who among the dead Molly might be able to bring back.
-[X] Molly focuses on saving as many wizards as possible, all remaining party members secure the battleground.
-[X] [Crown Question] [Focus - scene] Who of those who entered today has fallen to the Labyrinth?
I mean I'm on your side but we're fairly sure the digitize power doesn't lead to sanctuary but to our anima.
 
I mean I'm on your side but we're fairly sure the digitize power doesn't lead to sanctuary but to our anima.
DragonParadox's post on that were unclear. All he said was that it'd be muffled he didn't specify location.

Also for Degorium there is no sure fire solution here. DP said that it could still go off even if we use Yog's method.
 
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