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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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Ivar said:
But we haven't checked it yet. I don't think we can be sure that it's compromised based on a couple of words. We need to actually make the roll.
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If something isnt a challenging roll, I assume the QM doesnt bother.
We dont roll for balance routinely, only when there's a chance of failure.

BoredMan said:
That's really good but what would she be perceiving here? Some signs would be really obvious but if it's something subtle like the Merlin getting a change of mindset after using the Outside to maybe better defend himself is that something Molly could notice just by looking?
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Hellscry Chakra looks at the aura of the target.
If some diabolical force has performed soul surgery or mind alteration on the Merlin, you'd expect it to ping Molly's senses immediately, especially since there's been no time for magics to hide such shit

Besides, I suspect that someone who has walked the Labyrinth and succumbed already counts as a Creature of Darkness.
 
uju32 said:
If something isnt a challenging roll, I assume the QM doesnt bother.
We dont roll for balance routinely, only when there's a chance of failure.


Hellscry Chakra looks at the aura of the target.
If some diabolical force has performed soul surgery or mind alteration on the Merlin, you'd expect it to ping Molly's senses immediately, especially since there's been no time for magics to hide such shit

Besides, I suspect that someone who has walked the Labyrinth and succumbed already counts as a Creature of Darkness.
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And does it really work that way for warlocks, which Arthur could have become? Because he killed people with magic and broke the first rule of magic without the Blackstaff. Theoretically, he did that. Maybe he also failed the trials. But are we sure we can just see so-and-so become a Lawbreaker?
 
uju32 said:
@DragonParadox

QUESTION
The numbers arent adding up. The picture isnt adding up.
Luccio took 20 Wardens with her, and here we have run into a total of 14 wizards.
And that 14 apparently counts the Merlin's escort and the 2 kid Wardens we grabbed

1)Where is Luccio? Is she on the ground?
2)Where is the Merlin's escort/bodyguard? Molly has met them when they came to Chicago, she'd recognize them on sight.
They arent young, IIRC.
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Lucio is indeed on the ground and some of the people there definitely look older. You are missing about 6 wizards though.
 
[X] Plan Digital Age
-[X] Get a mobile phone from Sophia, Use Digital Possessions Management on the Veil-ripping device to store it in the phone without potentially damaging Clippy's body and all the records it holds
 
DragonParadox said:
Lucio is indeed on the ground and some of the people there definitely look older. You are missing about 6 wizards though.
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Are they really dead? It would be sad to lose her like this... Well, what can we do, we can't save everyone...

[X] Plan Digital Age
-[X] Get a mobile phone from Sophia, Use Digital Possessions Management on the Veil-ripping device to store it in the phone without potentially damaging Clippy's body and all the records it holds
 
@DragonParadox sorry to bother you, but could you clarify for the sake of the record, as it was, if DPM stores things in our soul / anima? I can kinda see the mechanic, with the files stored in storage devices being sorta summoning beacons. So when we "digitize" it, what's happening is that the object gets decomposed into essence, and stored in our anima, and a marker is created, by which it can be summoned afterwards. If you want it to work that way, I have no issue with that. When writing the charm, however, I didn't think of it like that. I thought about how everything was essence, and all matter and magic are patterns of essence. So, what the charm would do, would be to decompose an object jnto its description (the file) and prime it to be recompiled lster, using the energy we used when casting the charm to form the matter / magic back from the record. Which is why magical objects cost more to store.
 
Yog said:
Doesn't it? Because it was my understanding that it does.
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To be more accurate I'm pretty sure it depends on the nature of the wards in question. If their purpose was to deflect offensive magic and someone kills themselves off of them I think your fine. The line here is kind of blurry. I don't believe that non warlock wizards aren't employing potentially lethal wards around their sanctums. It just wouldn't make sense.

uju32 said:
Hellscry Chakra looks at the aura of the target.
If some diabolical force has performed soul surgery or mind alteration on the Merlin, you'd expect it to ping Molly's senses immediately, especially since there's been no time for magics to hide such shit

Besides, I suspect that someone who has walked the Labyrinth and succumbed already counts as a Creature of Darkness.
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We didn't spend a mote to check. It would also cost a mote to use the Crown so at that point we may as well just ask to get a better answer using the Scene as a focus or a phone recording from Clippy later.

Yog said:
Creatures of Darkness only. Not all warlocks are creatures of darkness. I am betting that even losing the Labyrinth trial doesn't immediately and automatically make one a CoD
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HSC's description doesn't say that it only works on CoDs. It just says that she immediately recognizes any nearby.

Unless we got a ruling that the charm was nerfed it should work on everyone with a soul.

DragonParadox said:
Opening her inner eye and attuning it to spiritual desolation, the Infernal gains the ability to detect potential servants or rivals, and to weigh the souls of those she meets.
System: Reflexively spend 1 Essence. For the rest of the scene, the Infernal becomes aware when she stands in the presence of any creature of darkness, though she doesn't inherently know what sort of supernatural being any given individual may be. Furthermore, by concentrating on a specific individual for a few moments and making a successful Perception + Occult roll against difficulty 6, she can behold the subtleties of their anima and learn their current emotional state, as well as some clues about their nature. If you wish to embellish this with aura colors and the like, a chart can be found on page 136 of V20.
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Ivar said:
And does it really work that way for warlocks, which Arthur could have become? Because he killed people with magic and broke the first rule of magic without the Blackstaff. Theoretically, he did that. Maybe he also failed the trials. But are we sure we can just see so-and-so become a Lawbreaker?
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The Laws are not quite that literal.
Self-defense has always been a legal defense, as Harry will attest to, just that its really hard to prove. A situation where you are surrounded by mind-controlled wizard attackers is far and beyond any legal standards the Council expects you to meet.

Besides, like I said, Molly is rolling enough bonuses for casually achieving legendary successes on both Perception + Awareness and Perception + Occult rolls.
Even without using an Excellency.


Dice pool: Perception 4 + Awareness 2 + Without Honor 2 + Stunt 2 = 10 dice.
Bonuses: Usum 2 + ATB 3 + BSM 1 + King and Kingdom 1 = -7DC

Dice pool: Perception 4 + Occult 5 + Stunt 2 = 11 dice.
Bonuses: ATB 3 + BSM 1+ King and Kingdom 1 = -5DC

Dice pool: Perception 4 + Empathy 5 + Without Honour 2 + Stunt 2 = 11 dice
Bonuses: ATB 3 + BSM 1 + King and Kingdom 1 = -5DC

DragonParadox said:
Lucio is indeed on the ground and some of the people there definitely look older. You are missing about 6 wizards though.
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Oh dear. And thats not counting the conspirators that should have been here, either.
Something is significantly off.
And neither McCoy nor Dresden can use the Sight under these circumstances.

I would like to be sure that we are actually looking at Arthur, not another trap.

@DragonParadox
QUESTION
Can Sophia roll for Secret of Gaia to locate any other wizards (Perception 4 + Occult 5+ Bonus 1 at -4DC. Range sux*miles)
Can Molly confirm any identities?
Is Demonic Primacy pinging on anyone or anything here?
 
Yog said:
@DragonParadox sorry to bother you, but could you clarify for the sake of the record, as it was, if DPM stores things in our soul / anima? I can kinda see the mechanic, with the files stored in storage devices being sorta summoning beacons. So when we "digitize" it, what's happening is that the object gets decomposed into essence, and stored in our anima, and a marker is created, by which it can be summoned afterwards. If you want it to work that way, I have no issue with that. When writing the charm, however, I didn't think of it like that. I thought about how everything was essence, and all matter and magic are patterns of essence. So, what the charm would do, would be to decompose an object jnto its description (the file) and prime it to be recompiled lster, using the energy we used when casting the charm to form the matter / magic back from the record. Which is why magical objects cost more to store.
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Your soul is the only place with enough data storage to digitize major magical items. Even Essence-Tech still has to pay for that scale.
 
Ivar said:
Are they really dead? It would be sad to lose her like this... Well, what can we do, we can't save everyone...

[X] Plan Digital Age
-[X] Get a mobile phone from Sophia, Use Digital Possessions Management on the Veil-ripping device to store it in the phone without potentially damaging Clippy's body and all the records it holds
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This is schmuck bait.
You destroy it, then you take the nonfunctioning parts for study, or if you really want to figure out how it was made?
Use the Crown on it.

Dont try to loot the damn thing.
Thats like stealing an exploding bomb. An exploding bomb made by mini-Satan.
 
Is it stable? If we remove it from where it currently is, if we have enough time to make it to the surface...

Molly can fly over to the Seine and then drop it off somewhere in the middle of the Atlantic via water-teleport. A veil-ripper won't do any harm when there's no mortals around to panic.
 
TheGrape said:
Is it stable? If we remove it from where it currently is, if we have enough time to make it to the surface...
Molly can fly over to the Seine and then drop it off somewhere in the middle of the Atlantic via water-teleport. A veil-ripper won't do any harm when there's no mortals around to panic.
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If we just wanted to move it, Sophia could grab it and teleport.
She's rocking around Strength 13 with everything up, and at that point she can probably lift a truck.
Dump it in the middle of the Atlantic, or somewhere uninhabited that we have already been to.

Thing is, I am getting the sneaking suspicion that this isnt over yet.
And Im beginning to lean towards @Ivar and @BoredMan's inclination to spend a mote on a Crown question.
 
BoredMan said:
HSC's description doesn't say that it only works on CoDs. It just says that she immediately recognizes any nearby.

Unless we got a ruling that the charm was nerfed it should work on everyone with a soul.
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The text says "becomes aware when she stands in the presence of any creature of darkness, ... she can behold the subtleties of their anima". Their refers to the creature of darkness we became aware of. This has been a huge debate about a year or so back (if I get my timing right), and it was ruled this way, which is logical.
DragonParadox said:
Your soul is the only place with enough data storage to digitize major magical items. Even Essence-Tech still has to pay for that scale.
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Hmm, interesting. So, is the charm functionality expanded to "in a storage device or her anima" or something like "magical objects are stored in her anima instead"? The charm's text should probably be amended a bit.

Also, if the device blows, will it call predators to sanctuary, or Molly's location on Earth? Because my biggest issue is making the location of Sanctuary in NeverNever known. I don't want to bring war to our shores.
 
Yog said:
The text says "becomes aware when she stands in the presence of any creature of darkness, ... she can behold the subtleties of their anima". Their refers to the creature of darkness we became aware of. This has been a huge debate about a year or so back (if I get my timing right), and it was ruled this way, which is logical
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No. It refers to the specific individual that she chooses to focus on. Which is exactly what the Charm says. The sentence ended then another started. She becomes aware of any CoD and an additional ability.

If that's the ruling though I'm not going to argue it but that's not what it says.




About the vote, can you explain the intent of your plan? DP said if it goes off in Sanctuary it'll be a beacon telling people of its location.

If you want it brought there to study it's apparent veil breaking properties we still have the chainsaw from Daedalus (whatever their name was) to study for that purpose.
 
Ivar said:
Are they really dead? It would be sad to lose her like this... Well, what can we do, we can't save everyone...

[X] Plan Digital Age
-[X] Get a mobile phone from Sophia, Use Digital Possessions Management on the Veil-ripping device to store it in the phone without potentially damaging Clippy's body and all the records it holds
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We have an Exigent of Death right here, who has a god of death talking in her head.
It all depends on how dead those on the ground are.


Come to think about it, Lydia Rhi is right here.
And she can talk to the dead.
If there's any dead on the ground, she can talk to their ghosts or souls.

Hell, the ghosts who were following us can probably tell her what happened, if they are walking around treating fights like sportsgames.
 
BoredMan said:
If that's the ruling though I'm not going to argue it but that's not what it says.
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We'll have to agree to disagree, because I am reading it the way I am reading it. But yes, it was ruled on.
BoredMan said:
About the vote, can you explain the intent of your plan? DP said if it goes off in Sanctuary it'll be a beacon telling people of its location.

If you want it brought there to study it's apparent veil breaking properties we still have the chainsaw from Daedalus (whatever their name was) to study for that purpose.
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The intent is to not store it in Sanctuary. Convert it to digital. I originally intended to store it in a cellphone / laptop, but it was ruled that it would be stored in Molly's soul. Molly's soul, however, is not only located in NeverNever in the form of her worldbody. It's also on Earth. If it risks alerting things to Molly's location on Earth, that's an acceptable risk. Move it somewhere safe, study it there.

I want it stored for later study, I don't want to risk Sanctuary.
 
DragonParadox said:
Before you can consider how one even goes about proving he throws a mote of white hot Essence at you like he's pitching and its the ninth inning. You don't so much catch it as absorb it by proximity.
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Peak Harry Dresden move. Check if someone is friendly by announcing that you're a delicious source of cosmic power.

DragonParadox said:
At last you come to signs of battle, not suntle ones either, a heavy iron door of the kind that shouldn't be down here blasted open and the smell of blood filling the air. A dozen bodies most of them young, all of them wizards lay screwn on the floor
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Ouch. That's an unfortunate number of losses.


DragonParadox said:
"Ebeneezer, Dresden," his tone, much to your surprise does not sour on the second word. "I'd ask you what you are doing here, but I imagine the same thing as I, stumbling though ambushes we should have seen coming."
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Nah, we packed our own reality from home.
DragonParadox said:
[] Let the Blackstaff handle it

[] Try to destroy it yourself (Risk of taking considerable damage from backlash)

[] Try to take it into Sanctuary for study (Risk of going off and serving as a beacon in the spirit world for predatory and malicious entities)

[] Write in
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Is any of this something our shaping defense could block? If the thing does backlash damage based on its primary effect then it sounds like shaping nonsense, and if it needs to force open a way out of her soul that sounds like a shaping effect in the most direct possibility sense too.
DragonParadox said:
Some of them do not seem to be breathing, others are merely unconscious.
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Do we know how long these guys have been dead? I recall asking this before but can't find the ruling, so I want to check on the possibility of dumping the dead people through the wheel when we Howl of Healing the injured.
 
Yog said:
We'll have to agree to disagree, because I am reading it the way I am reading it. But yes, it was ruled on.
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In your description of it you excluded some of the actual charm description with your three dots forgoing context that I used in my own reading of it but whatever.

Yog said:
I want it stored for later study, I don't want to risk Sanctuary.
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Oh okay. I wasn't quite sure as you advocated for the portal to Sanctuary in enemy territory earlier. We really need a ruling on what location would be at risk since people are voting for it under potentially false pretences.
 
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BoredMan said:
Oh okay. I wasn't quite sure as you advocated for the portal to Sanctuary in enemy territory earlier. We really need a ruling on what location would be at risk since people are voting for it under potentially false pretences.
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Its an exploding bomb.
As in, not one thats close to detonating; the device has already gone off, and is being being contained by magic and the sheer weight of the Merlin's depleted uranium balls.

Retrieving it for study is not, and should not be on the table.

And frankly, even if it hadnt already activated?
Since we have no way of knowing if it has a tracker of some sort, we most definitely do not want this thing anywhere near Sanctuary or anything we value.
 
BoredMan said:
@DragonParadox Does anyone nearby register as CoD's to Molly?
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They do not.

BronzeTongue said:
Do we know how long these guys have been dead? I recall asking this before but can't find the ruling, so I want to check on the possibility of dumping the dead people through the wheel when we Howl of Healing the injured.
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You would have to grab their souls, those might be around and you do have Lydia to check.
 
@DragonParadox before you or I go to sleep - I woul really like clarification on Digital Possessions Management - where it stores things (ie that we can store them directly in Molly's anima), and where any becaon might go off - at Molly's Earth location, or at Sanctuary?
 
uju32 said:
Its an exploding bomb.
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Yog said:
@DragonParadox before you or I go to sleep - I woul really like clarification on Digital Possessions Management - where it stores things (ie that we can store them directly in Molly's anima), and where any becaon might go off - at Molly's Earth location, or at Sanctuary?
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Okay I reread it and it seems like Uju is correct here.

DragonParadox said:
Arthur Langtry his robes stained with soot, blood and other less identifiable things stands in the middle of the room physically holding closed an iron maiden bearing the mocking likeness of an angel. Lines of blue while magic are really doing the sealing but physical exercion lends weight to the warding.
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If it's already exploding we won't be able to study it.
 
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