We'll also likely lose Ellie's the cooperation if we leave without doing anything to the Triad. She only agreed to play the part of our prisoner to get a shot at putting a stop to the Triad after all.
Pushing our Luck will get us goldnine, enough that her girls won't become ice for awhile. She's really worried about them too, and we're probably going to involve her in the planning for the ambush.
 
But how to deal with the madness here? There is a certain appeal in just ending the matter now and going loud. Only, you are currently trapped in a vault underground with Yellow Qilin, her constructs, her subordinates, and dozens of innocent magical girls between you and freedom. Not to mention any failsafes she might have. At the same time, it would ensure she did not ensnare any other girls into her scheme.
Seeing this the another problem with going loud is that innocent MG would probalby get in the way and apart from failsafe in her area of power. So I'm not sure if going loud actually let us kill the Qilin and her liutenants.
 
Pushing our Luck will get us goldnine, enough that her girls won't become ice for awhile. She's really worried about them too, and we're probably going to involve her in the planning for the ambush.
That's only if we have the option of giving it to her girls. The Triad aren't going to let Ellie walk out of their base when they have the thorn at their side bound right in front of them in the seat of their power.
Seeing this the another problem with going loud is that innocent MG would probalby get in the way and apart from failsafe in her area of power. So I'm not sure if going loud actually let us kill the Qilin and her liutenants.
If we go loud and fail to kill Qilin now, we're likely already dead. We're at the very heart of their base, we either come out of this as victors or we don't come out at all.
 
That's only if we have the option of giving it to her girls. The Triad aren't going to let Ellie walk out of their base when they have the thorn at their side bound right in front of them in the seat of their power.

If we go loud and fail to kill Qilin now, we're likely already dead. We're at the very heart of their base, we either come out of this as victors or we don't come out at all.

We can supply the girl with the G9 we get from pushing our Luck enough atleast that we can still atleast for ambrosia. Also once weve gotten the G9 and out of here theres really nothing Qilin can do to stop us from using it to save the victims. Hell I'm pretty sure its why shes forcing us to buy it thinking saving victims is the only way we can use G9.
Lastly, you could press your luck. Get as much goldnine as you can with this transaction and prepare immediate action to ambush Yellow Qilin once you've used it. A sufficient enough quantity and you could keep some for Project Prometheus and supply the girls until you discover an alternative source. But it is risky. Yellow Qilin is unstable and spiteful. Push too hard, and she's liable to spite you.
 
That's only if we have the option of giving it to her girls. The Triad aren't going to let Ellie walk out of their base when they have the thorn at their side bound right in front of them in the seat of their power.

A sufficient enough quantity and you could keep some for Project Prometheus and supply the girls until you discover an alternative source.
That is explicitly what that option does. It's not the Abandon Ellie option.
 
Assuming he doesnt just dip because of how outnumbered he thinks he is, yes he would indiscriminately attack both us and the magical girls. Thats still worse than just attacking the triad
True it gets innocent mg's killed then he just blames us since that all Crusade is about. Blaming everything in JU to force them to submit and reveal their plans.
 
We can supply the girl with the G9 we get from pushing our Luck enough atleast that we can still atleast for ambrosia. Also once weve gotten the G9 and out of here theres really nothing Qilin can do to stop us from using it to save the victims. Hell I'm pretty sure its why shes forcing us to buy it thinking saving victims is the only way we can use G9.
That is explicitly what that option does. It's not the Abandon Ellie option.
Fair enough, however, I still don't see the Triad letting Ellie go. We can spend the goldnine on her friends, but why would the Triad let Ellie go at all when we delivered her to them and she's been a thorn on their side? We're not really in the position to be making demands here.
 
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In that case we can just Bring Ellie back to the apiary. Only 1 option is about abandoning ellie and I'm pretty sure the rest of her crew is hidden well enough or the triad would have taken them down already since it doesnt look like theyre using them as patsy to keep conning the MGs.

As for Qilin shes arrogant and insane enough to think ellie doesnt really matter if we pay not realizing shes a hero that we can ascend with Ambrosia. Seeing as We can get ambrosia here already we should be able to get Noelle as candidate since we did crit in heart to heart with her.
 
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Fair enough, however, I still don't see the Triad letting Ellie go.
There's only one option where you give up Ellie. Yellow Qilin doesn't care about her as her attacks are more nuisances than anything and useful propaganda about the "Dark Lady". Getting her to keep cooperating with you depends on what you're willing to promise her about what you'll do about the GDT in the future.
@Bitterman does LL know Ronin's capabilities/can we get a ballpark of her statline? I'm leaning towards the straight buy, but thats partially because i dont know how much help she'd be in go Loud or Press Luck.
High HIT and ESPIONAGE. Human baseline, but with exceptional skills. HIT 7.
 
High HIT and ESPIONAGE. Human baseline, but with exceptional skills. HIT 7.
With a Hit 15 Check with Go Loud, we're looking at Hit 7 (Ronin) + Hit 5 (Lady Leizi) + Hit 3 (Ellie) = Hit 15.

Ellie's Hit 3 because that's Rhy's Hit before he got powers. We're talking a girl who was able to pose a challenge to a team of metas after all, it's likely she isn't Hit 1 (Mona, completely untrained and has no skills for combat), so we can safely bet on her being either Hit 2 or Hit 3. Either way, the gap between the Stat Requirement and our statline isn't big enough that we'll suffer a malus in our rolls.

Go Loud has a DC of 13, so we'll need to roll a minimum of 8 assuming the thread spends 5 points on the initial roll.

Even if we fail the initial roll however, it should be fine since Lady Leizi has a Shield Generator and can tank the hit.
 
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Ok just woke up aaaaaand.... O-o
Well now.... thats.... Yeah idk what to say. I think we may have found our first genuine Bat Shit insane villain. Im going to go with what I would do and
[X] . . . go loud.

I am also COMPLETELY willing to dish out points for this. Maybe not 2 whole rolls, but its a reaaally small "not sure". 2 +5 should hopefully change things in our favor. Just use thwm If im not here. I have to do some assigments so its a coin flip if I notice the notifications on time.
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Adding my vote now.
 
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Ok just woke up aaaaaand.... O-o
Well now.... thats.... Yeah idk what to say. I think we may have found our first genuine Bat Shit insane villain. Im going to go with what I would do and
[] . . . go loud.

I am also COMPLETELY willing to dish out points for this. Maybe not 2 whole rolls, but its a reaaally small "not sure". 2 +5 should hopefully change things in our favor. Just use thwm If im not here. I have to do some assigments so its a coin flip if I notice the notifications on time.
I think especially if people are willing to throw points at it we should Push Our Luck. Pushing our luck gets us extra G9, out of here safely, and lets us plan a counterattack with our heavy hitters. Succeeding Go Loud only gets us one of those things, and that's just "out of here safely." It also has the distinct problem of probably killing some of the people we're here to save if they choose Qilin's side. We chose the intrigue hero at the beginning, not the "walks in and beats everyone up" hero, we should use that lol.
 
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