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You can disagree with a plan without needlessly insulting it.

I don't feel like I was insulting it, I was simply pointing out its deep flaws. Although if the creator of the plan @Azel could explain the his reasoning for the things I don't get, I would be happier.

Say, I've been meaning to ask what happens if the vote is a tie, anyway?
 
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It's probably too late, but for fun:

[X] The Beau Ideal Of A Heir
-[X] [Purpose] Your Introduction to the Realm
-[X] [Purpose] Justice and Settling Affairs
-[X] [Goal] Privacy with Alicent
-[X] [Goal] Enter a Tourney
-[X] [Goal] Train Publicly
-[X] [Goal] Find more Friends
-[X] [Dragon] Syrax will travel with you
-[X] [Companion] Alicent Hightower
-[X] [Companion] Raylon Tarly
-[X] [Companion] Gwayne Hightower
-[X] [Companion] Laenor Velaryon
-[X] [Companion] Rhea Royce
-[X] [Date] Leave immediately (Royal Progress will begin next turn)
-[X] [Tour] Full Tour (4 turns, the entire realm)
--[X] Kings Landing
--[X] Harrenhal
--[X] The Eyrie
--[X] Gulltown
--[X] White Harbor (by ship)
--[X] Winterfell
--[X] Castle Black
--[X] The Twins
--[X] Stone Hedge & Raventree Hall
--[X] Riverun
--[X] Lannisport & Casterly Rock
--[X] Pyke (by ship)
--[X] Oldtown (by ship)
--[X] Highgarden
--[X] Blackhaven
--[X] Storms End
--[X] Driftmark (by ship)

[X] Plan Tourneys, Judgements and Friendships
 
[X] Plan Tourneys, Judgements and Friendships
[X] Plan The Beau Ideal Of A Heir
 
[] The Beau Ideal Of A Heir

You know it is good compromise, because my issue with Tourneys, Judgements and Friendships has always been the travel plan.

[X] Plan Introducing the Princess-Knight
[X] The Beau Ideal of a Heir
[X] The Future Queen
-[X] [Purpose] Justice and Settling Affairs
-[X] [Purpose] Your Introduction to the Realm
-[X] [Goal] Find more Friends
-[X] [Goal] Privacy with Alicent
-[X] [Goal] Scout out Prospective Husbands.
-[X] [Goal] Train Publicly
-[X] [Tour] Full Tour (4 turns, the entire realm)
--[X] Ship to White Harbor
--[X] Winterfell
--[X] Castle Black
--[X] Ship to Barrowton
--[X] Ship to Seaguard
--[X] The Twins
--[X] Riverrun
--[X] Raventree Hall
--[X] Stone Hedge
--[X] Harrenhal
--[X] The Eyrie
--[X] Runestone
--[X] Gulltown
--[X] ship to Rain House
--[X] Storms End
--[X] Blackhaven
--[X] Nightsong
--[X] Horn Hill
--[X] Oldtown
--[X] Highgarden
--[X] Tumbleton
--[X] Goldengrove
--[X] Old Oak
--[X] Ship to Shield Islands
--[X] Ship to Pyke
--[X] Ship to Lannisport/Casterly Rock
--[X] Ashemark
--[X] Golden Tooth
--[X] Kings Landing
-[X] [Dragon] Syrax will travel with you
-[X] [Companion] Alicent Hightower
-[X] [Companion] Raylon Tarly
-[X] [Companion] Gwayne Hightower
-[X] [Companion] Laenor Velaryon
-[X] [Companion] Rhaenys Targaryen
-[X] [Date] Leave immediately (Royal Progress will begin next turn)
 
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When it comes to returning for the birth of our sibling, it might not be that important. I've seen the idea put forward that we need to be there to put an egg in our sibling's cradle so that they'll bond to a hatchling and be unable to claim a large older dragon. But cradle eggs hatching is always a crapshoot, entirely possible an egg we give them just doesn't hatch.

Also entirely possible Viserys or Johanna do that themselves. While a cradle egg hatching would prevent her child from claiming a larger dragon, it'd also give them some legitimacy from the get go. If we mention it to Johanna as a Targ tradition she might be all for it.

I'm in favor of going back if we can make it, in hopes that it'll put us on the path to getting over our issues and treating them as a younger sibling, but it's not do or die.
TBH if we want to significantly increase our relationship with both Johanna and Viserys we should give our sibling the egg we picked for Daeron (if it is still alive)... It would be a good way to show thatbwe accept our future half-sibling as if it was our full blooded sibling...

@Teen Spirit is the egg we picked for Daemon still alive?
 
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[X] Plan Introducing the Princess-Knight
[X] The Beau Ideal of a Heir

Acceptable compromise on the travel plan.
 
TBH if we want to significantly increase our relationship with both Johanna and Viserys we should give our sibling the egg we picked for Daeron (if it is still alive)... It would be a good way to show thatbwe accept our future half-sibling as if it was our full blooded sibling...

@Teen Spirit is the egg we picked for Daemon still alive?
The one Daemon stole has not turned to Rock as far as you know.
 
I was honestly expecting this vote to be over by now but since it isn't

[X] Plan Introducing the Princess-Knight
[X] The Beau Ideal of a Heir
[X] The Future Queen

But more importantly, is it Sunfyre's egg?

Shit, that is a point, we must make sure the Wrestling faction (did we agree on a name for their faction?) don't get Sunfyre.
 
Adhoc vote count started by Teen Spirit on Oct 4, 2024 at 9:07 PM, finished with 217 posts and 45 votes.

  • [X] Plan Tourneys, Judgements and Friendships
    -[X] [Purpose] Your Introduction to the Realm
    -[X] [Purpose] Justice and Settling Affairs
    -[X] [Goal] Enter a Tourney
    -[X] [Goal] Privacy with Alicent
    -[X] [Goal] Find more Friends
    -[X] [Goal] Train Publicly
    -[X] [Tour] Full Tour (4 turns, the entire realm)
    --[X] Kings Landing
    --[X] Highgaden
    --[X] Oldtown
    --[X] Lannisport / Casterly Rock (via Ocean Road)
    --[X] Riverrun
    --[X] Harrenhal
    --[X] The Eyrie
    --[X] detour through the northern Vale
    --[X] Seagard
    --[X] ship to Pyke
    --[X] ship to Bear Isle
    --[X] ship to Deepwood Motte
    --[X] Castle Black
    --[X] Winterfell
    --[X] White Harbor
    --[X] ship to Rain House
    --[X] Storms End
    -[X] [Dragon] Syrax will travel with you
    -[X] [Companion] Alicent Hightower
    -[X] [Companion] Raylon Tarly
    -[X] [Companion] Gwayne Hightower
    -[X] [Companion] Laenor Velaryon
    -[X] [Companion] Rhea Royce
    -[X] [Date] Leave immediately (Royal Progress will begin next turn)
    [X] Plan Introducing the Princess-Knight
    -[X] [Purpose] A Reminder of the Throne's Authority
    -[X] [Purpose] Your Introduction to the Realm
    -[X] [Goal] Privacy with Alicent
    -[X] [Goal] Enter a Tourney
    -[X] [Goal] Train Publicly
    -[X] [Goal] Find more Friends
    -[X] [Dragon] Syrax will travel with you
    -[X] [Companion] Alicent Hightower
    -[X] [Companion] Raylon Tarly
    -[X] [Companion] Gwayne Hightower
    -[X] [Companion] Laenor Velaryon
    -[X] [Companion] Rhea Royce
    -[X] [Date] Leave immediately (Royal Progress will begin next turn)
    -[X] [Tour] Full Tour (4 turns, the entire realm)
    --[X] Kings Landing
    --[X] Harrenhal
    --[X] The Eyrie
    --[X] Gulltown
    --[X] White Harbor (by ship)
    --[X] Winterfell
    --[X] Castle Black
    --[X] The Twins
    --[X] Stone Hedge & Raventree Hall
    --[X] Riverun
    --[X] Lannisport & Casterly Rock
    --[X] Pyke (by ship)
    --[X] Oldtown (by ship)
    --[X] Highgarden
    --[X] Blackhaven
    --[X] Storms End
    --[X] Driftmark (by ship)
    [X] The Future Queen
    -[X] [Purpose] Justice and Settling Affairs
    -[X] [Purpose] Your Introduction to the Realm
    -[X] [Goal] Find more Friends
    -[X] [Goal] Privacy with Alicent
    -[X] [Goal] Scout out Prospective Husbands.
    -[X] [Goal] Train Publicly
    -[X] [Tour] Full Tour (4 turns, the entire realm)
    --[X] Ship to White Harbor
    --[X] Winterfell
    --[X] Castle Black
    --[X] Ship to Barrowton
    --[X] Ship to Seaguard
    --[X] The Twins
    --[X] Riverrun
    --[X] Raventree Hall
    --[X] Stone Hedge
    --[X] Harrenhal
    --[X] The Eyrie
    --[X] Runestone
    --[X] Gulltown
    --[X] ship to Rain House
    --[X] Storms End
    --[X] Blackhaven
    --[X] Nightsong
    --[X] Horn Hill
    --[X] Oldtown
    --[X] Highgarden
    --[X] Tumbleton
    --[X] Goldengrove
    --[X] Old Oak
    --[X] Ship to Shield Islands
    --[X] ship to Pyke
    --[X] Ship to Lannisport/Casterly Rock
    --[X] Ashemark
    --[X] Golden Tooth
    --[X] Kings Landing
    -[X] [Dragon] Syrax will travel with you
    -[X] [Companion] Alicent Hightower
    -[X] [Companion] Raylon Tarly
    -[X] [Companion] Gwayne Hightower
    -[X] [Companion] Laenor Velaryon
    -[X] [Companion] Rhaenys Targaryen
    -[X] [Date] Leave immediately (Royal Progress will begin next turn)
    [X] The Warrior Queen
    [X] The Beau Ideal Of A Heir
    [X] The Future Queen
    [X] Plan Once and Future King
    -[X] [Purpose] Your Introduction to the Realm
    -[X] [Purpose] Justice and Settling Affairs
    -[X] [Goal] Enter a Tourney
    -[X] [Goal] Train Publicly
    -[X] [Goal] Find more Friends
    -[X] [Goal] Privacy with Alicent
    -[X] [Dragon] Syrax will travel with you
    -[X] [Companion] Alicent Hightower
    -[X] [Companion] Raylon Tarly
    -[X] [Companion] Gwayne Hightower
    -[X] [Companion] Laenor Velaryon
    -[X] [Companion] Rhaenys Targaryen
    -[X] [Companion] Maester(s) to answer or consult privately any question on local law, as Aegon I did.
    -[X] [Tour] Full Tour (4 turns, the entire realm)
    --[X] Maidenpool
    --[X] Ship to Wickendon
    --[X] Eyrie
    --[X] Runestone
    --[X] Gulltown
    --[X] Ship to White Harbor
    --[X] Winterfell
    --[X] Castle Black
    --[X] The Twins
    --[X] Raventree Hall
    --[X] Riverrun
    --[X] Stone Hedge
    --[X] Harrenhal
    --[X] House Vance (Wayfarer's Rest)
    --[X] Golden Tooth
    --[X] The Crag
    --[X] Casterly Rock/Lannisport
    --[X] ship to Pyke
    --[X] Ship to Arbor
    --[X] Ship to Oldtown
    --[X] Horn Hill
    --[X] Highgarden
    --[X] Long Table
    --[X] Blackhaven
    --[X] Bronzegate
    --[X] Storms End
    --[X] Ship to Driftmark
    --[X] Let's go home!
    [X] The Warrior Queen
    -[X] [Purpose] Justice and Settling Affairs
    -[X] [Purpose] Your Introduction to the Realm
    -[X] [Goal] Find more Friends
    -[X] [Goal] Privacy with Alicent
    -[X] [Goal] Enter a Tourney
    -[X] [Goal] Train Publicly
    -[X] [Tour] Full Tour (4 turns, the entire realm)
    --[X] Ship to White Harbor
    --[X] ship to Winterfell
    --[X] Castle Black
    --[X] Ship to Seaguard
    --[X] Riverrun
    --[X] The Twins
    --[X] Harrenhal
    --[X] Fly to King's Landing (to visit our new sibling & Give Egg)
    --[X] The Eyrie
    --[X] Runestone
    --[X] Gulltown
    --[X] Ship to Tarth
    --[X] Storms End
    --[X] Blackhaven
    --[X] Horn Hill
    --[X] Three Towers
    --[X] Ship to Arbor
    --[X] Ship to Oldtown
    --[X] Highgarden
    --[X] Old Oak
    --[X] ship to Pyke
    --[X] Ship to Lannisport/Casterly Rock
    --[X] Kings Landing
    -[X] [Dragon] Syrax will travel with you
    -[X] [Companion] Alicent Hightower
    -[X] [Companion] Raylon Tarly
    -[X] [Companion] Gwayne Hightower
    -[X] [Companion] Laenor Velaryon
    -[X] [Date] Leave immediately (Royal Progress will begin next turn)
    [X] Plan: Fun and Friends
    -[X] [Purpose] Your Introduction to the Realm
    -[X] [Purpose] Justice and Settling Affairs
    -[X] [Goal] Enter a Tourney
    -[X] [Goal] Train Publicly
    -[X] [Goal] Privacy with Alicent
    -[X] [Goal] Find more Friends
    -[X] [Companion] Alicent Hightower
    -[X] [Companion] Raylon Tarly
    -[X] [Companion] Rhaenys Targaryen
    -[X] [Companion] Rhea Royce
    -[X] [Companion] Laenor Velaryon
    -[X] [Tour] Full Tour (4 turns, the entire realm)
    --[X] Maidenpool
    --[X] Ship to Wickendon
    --[X] Eyrie
    --[X] Runestone
    --[X] Gulltown
    --[X] Ship to White Harbor
    --[X] Winterfell
    --[X] Castle Black
    --[X] The Twins
    --[X] Raventree Hall
    --[X] Riverrun
    --[X] Stone Hedge
    --[X] Harrenhal
    --[X] House Vance (Wayfarer's Rest)
    --[X] Golden Tooth
    --[X] The Crag
    --[X] Casterly Rock/Lannisport
    --[X] ship to Pyke
    --[X] Ship to Arbor
    --[X] Ship to Oldtown
    --[X] Horn Hill
    --[X] Highgarden
    --[X] Long Table
    --[X] Blackhaven
    --[X] Bronzegate
    --[X] Storms End
    --[X] Ship to Driftmark
    --[X] Let's go home!
    -[X] [Dragon] Syrax will travel with you
    -[X] [Date] Leave after Johanna has her child (Royal Progress will begin no sooner than Turn 10)
    [X] Plan Respect Our Authority
    -[X] [Purpose] A Reminder of the Throne's Authority
    -[X] [Purpose] Your Introduction to the Realm
    -[X] [Goal] Train Publicly
    -[X] [Goal] Scout out Prospective Husbands.
    -[X] [Goal] Find more Friends
    -[X] [Dragon] Syrax will travel with you
    -[X] [Companion] Alicent Hightower
    -[X] [Companion] Raylon Tarly
    -[X] [Companion] Gwayne Hightower
    -[X] [Companion] Rhaenys Targaryen
    -[X] [Companion] Laenor Velaryon
    -[X] [Date] Leave immediately (Royal Progress will begin next turn)
    -[X] [Tour] Full Tour (4 turns, the entire realm)
    --[X] Harrenhal
    --[X] The Eyrie
    --[X] Gulltown
    --[X] White Harbor (by ship)
    --[X] Winterfell
    --[X] Castle Black
    --[X] The Twins
    --[X] Stone Hedge & Raventree Hall
    --[X] Riverrun
    --[X] Lannisport & Casterly Rock
    --[X] Pyke (by ship)
    --[X] Oldtown (by ship)
    --[X] Highgarden
    --[X] Blackhaven
    --[X] Storms End
    --[X] Driftmark (by ship)
    [X] The Beau Ideal Of A Heir
    -[X] [Purpose] Your Introduction to the Realm
    -[X] [Purpose] Justice and Settling Affairs
    -[X] [Goal] Privacy with Alicent
    -[X] [Goal] Enter a Tourney
    -[X] [Goal] Train Publicly
    -[X] [Goal] Find more Friends
    -[X] [Dragon] Syrax will travel with you
    -[X] [Companion] Alicent Hightower
    -[X] [Companion] Raylon Tarly
    -[X] [Companion] Gwayne Hightower
    -[X] [Companion] Laenor Velaryon
    -[X] [Companion] Rhea Royce
    -[X] [Date] Leave immediately (Royal Progress will begin next turn)
    -[X] [Tour] Full Tour (4 turns, the entire realm)
    --[X] Kings Landing
    --[X] Harrenhal
    --[X] The Eyrie
    --[X] Gulltown
    --[X] White Harbor (by ship)
    --[X] Winterfell
    --[X] Castle Black
    --[X] The Twins
    --[X] Stone Hedge & Raventree Hall
    --[X] Riverun
    --[X] Lannisport & Casterly Rock
    --[X] Pyke (by ship)
    --[X] Oldtown (by ship)
    --[X] Highgarden
    --[X] Blackhaven
    --[X] Storms End
    --[X] Driftmark (by ship)
 
Some general thoughts:
  • Full tour, of course. Wouldn't do to offend any kingdoms that aren't invited. Yes, that includes the Iron Islands. We are going to have to rule over them at some point.
  • Intro to the Realm is the obvious choice of Purpose. Justice or Authority also work, I'm willing to hear arguments for either one.
  • I'm okay with bringing anyone other than the King, Johanna, and Laena. This is our progress, not theirs.
  • If we lose our first tourney it's going to be difficult to get a second chance. I think we should either not tourney at all, or train and save the tourney for near the end of the progress. Which means visiting the Reach last.
  • Making friends is important. We don't have a lot of allies outside the Vale.
  • The one thing about Princess-Knight and Beau Ideal that worries me is that we're going to be missing Johanna's birth. It seems incredibly unlikely that she won't end up opposing us anyways, though.
 
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If we lose our first tourney it's going to be difficult to get a second chance. I think we should either not tourney at all, or train and save the tourney for near the end of the progress. Which means visiting the Reach last.

The Reach is near the end of Princess-Knight and Beau Ideal.
 
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I am simply picking the plan i have the least issue with.

I chose not to come up with a new plan that waited for the entire family to come with us because there clearly was no appetite for it.

I like neither plan but oh well.
 
The Reach is well-known for their tourneys and I feel like they would absolutely be the kingdom to afford an extravagant event to celebrate the end of Summer and a new royal birth.

I feel like it would be very poetic to sneak into a celebration meant for our half-sibling and completely steal the spotlight.

Could also crown Alicent in front of her whole extended family, peak drama and chivalry.
 
I personally still think we're missing out on a great opportunity to get Viserys away from Aegon's death trap of a throne, but I can live with it.

@Teen Spirit any chance we can have Rhaenyra respond rashly to her father's death by tossing that damn ugly throne into the ocean, rightly blaming it for his death?
 
I personally still think we're missing out on a great opportunity to get Viserys away from Aegon's death trap of a throne, but I can live with it.

@Teen Spirit any chance we can have Rhaenyra respond rashly to her father's death by tossing that damn ugly throne into the ocean, rightly blaming it for his death?
Nah it's a symbol of your family's (Still great) power, also it's rather massive at this point in history. Besides it's only killed one king at that point and as far as the family is concerned (Right now at least), Meagor doesn't count.
 
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