Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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Well it's more that they have been intentionally sabotaged, but yeah at the moment Hell appears to have a free pass, you might not. Though given what you are...
Hey in a roundabout way this means Ancient Mai does not think Molly is a Yama King. Progress
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BoredMan
Dinosaurs came in many flavors. Like potato chips.
We can't get to Sanctuary doing that. Or we can try but it was said that Molly's soul/Exaltion would get confused and respond badly.
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- Canada
Oh, I thought she was talking about getting to the Merlin, not Sanctuary.
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As much as that's true, do we really want to play that card right in front of the wizards high council?
BoredMan
Dinosaurs came in many flavors. Like potato chips.
Well. If Merlin dies he dies. He isn't one of ours at the end of the day anyways.
I don't want to bother with the Wards now since we'll probably be fighting the Denarian later and I don't want to take X damage before then.
[X] Fine, you'll make due with what you have
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We have to leave the Halls anyway.
Water-port out, open the way to our Soul there, send one group back to support the hunt for Thorny, keep the other with us.
Everything as planned, no need to work within the Wards.
Water-port out, open the way to our Soul there, send one group back to support the hunt for Thorny, keep the other with us.
Everything as planned, no need to work within the Wards.
BoredMan
Dinosaurs came in many flavors. Like potato chips.
It was said earlier that the water system doesn't connect to the outside. That's why we couldn't water port in.
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All the better, then sending the reinforcments back in after we are out won't take more time than us leaving anyway.
You can, it just takes time because while you may be fast the people with you on the return journey are not as fast.
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[X] Fine, you'll make due with what you have
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I have to agree with Yog on this one.
Molly can probably shrug off any damage to herself, or have it healed very quickly; we have healers right here, and a shaping defense to prevent other types of lingering damage.
But if we bring down the wards on the White Council HQ in the middle of a war, we are inviting all sorts of gribblies to try to take advantage.From the Red Court to the Black Council to other, darker things.
I really dont want necromancers staging raids on the White Council's libraries of magical lore, or worse, Drakul deciding to come shopping for a couple wizards to restock his personal retinue of Blampires like he did in Battle Grounds.
Molly really isnt swole enough for that fight, nor do I want to spend the next couple months here.
Admittedly, we could probably just fly outside the Halls and do the summoning outside the Halls, then bring them in.
But Im given to believe that time is of the essence right now, and even the time to leave the Halls might be critical.
[X] Fine, you'll make due with what you have
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I have to agree with Yog on this one.
Molly can probably shrug off any damage to herself, or have it healed very quickly; we have healers right here, and a shaping defense to prevent other types of lingering damage.
But if we bring down the wards on the White Council HQ in the middle of a war, we are inviting all sorts of gribblies to try to take advantage.From the Red Court to the Black Council to other, darker things.
I really dont want necromancers staging raids on the White Council's libraries of magical lore, or worse, Drakul deciding to come shopping for a couple wizards to restock his personal retinue of Blampires like he did in Battle Grounds.
Molly really isnt swole enough for that fight, nor do I want to spend the next couple months here.
Admittedly, we could probably just fly outside the Halls and do the summoning outside the Halls, then bring them in.
But Im given to believe that time is of the essence right now, and even the time to leave the Halls might be critical.
[X] Fine, you'll make due with what you have
We could carry them with Mind-Hand Manipulation under normal circumstances; 20x people plus their battle rattle averaging 300 pounds each is roughly 6000 pounds of weight. Needs 10 successes, which means we need to use an Excellency.
But it would cost us at least 2m of Essence that we do not currently have to spare in order to activate the charm at that capacity, given that we have at least one, and possibly two boss encounters in the next hour.
So probably wiser to do without.
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You know, I would love to add this part to the vote because the Old Mai is really bothering me. I liked Arthur from the Senior Council after our conversation with him because he was polite and not too evasive. I liked McCoy because from the beginning we started out as almost allies and he didn't waste time asking questions about anything or irritating us. The Old Mai, so far... growls.
But that aside, I'll just applaud the continuation of the absolute incompetence of the majority of the Council that they have been demonstrating since the beginning of this disaster.
[X] Fine, you'll make due with what you have
Poor Arthur, though...
This is absolutely an unfair characterization.
They have been the target of a decades-long penetration by people wielding mind-control backed by Lovecraftian entities.
They lost two thirds of their armed forces and one seventh of their ruling council in a series of military disasters, and they are still regenerating their forces while being sabotaged.
They are simultaneously fighting a major war, and still trying to carry out their other duties.
And trying to avoid Lawbreaking while doing so.
Its not incompetence, they are stretched at the same time they are being targeted by a loose coalition of enemies.
There is no nation in the world that would suffer the losses the White Council has, and still be fighting the war without tossing out the rules and breaking out the strategic nuke-equivalents.
The Council has exercised restraint, specifically because of all the mortal collateral.
Ivar
Dark Reaper
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I don't think you're making them more competent by listing how they failed. Honestly, yes, they are victims of Nemesis and the others being able to dance around the rules and infiltrate. The same can be said for Winter and Summer, but that doesn't make the White Council competent. It just makes them victims.
BoredMan
Dinosaurs came in many flavors. Like potato chips.
Meh. That's accurate but there are certainly things they could've done to avoid it getting to this point.
Like the GateKeeper using his centuries trained Outsider Sight to spot Peabody's direct line to one by using it on the Council during any of their meetings at least once a year. Would've nipped part of this in the bud at least unless Outsiders can dodge the Outsider specialized Sight ability and I'm not willing to buy that going insane from doing such is a risk for him given that he already uses it in that capacity.
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So, I did a reread.First of all, yeah, it wasn't theft, it was an attempt of destroying the godbot, but seemingly in a way that wouldn't have resulted in the release of the exaltation (more of it later). NOw, a quote:
Adkin (the psychometrist guy who derived visions based on his talent using godbot as a focus) has never heard the statue talk before. 100% he also never seen it move before. It didn't move much if at all.
Second, the two updates that are key are this and this ones. They tell us several things:
1) Besides the largely immobile statue there are companion spirits. The spirits that were very likely made by the Solar.
2) The spirits owed a debt to the person who became the Blampire. They don't know who holds the debt now.
3) The statue has run out of power:
This is what was nagging me and why I was feeling urgency. The godbot? Its batteries are (very near) empty. The active defenses are lowered. This is an urgent issue, I think I don't have to explain why. Even if the power recharges over time / with prayer (prayer eating is a thing), it's likely very limited.
4) The statue is not a container or a prison or anything like that. It's a passageway - a grand feat of time manipulation. Essentially, if I understand it correctly, it works like this - the statue's body exists in linear time, but it can also connect two time periods - present, and the moment the previous holder of the exaltation died. When the conditions are met, the connection is established, and the exaltation passes from the past to the present without moving in-between. This makes me very strongly believe that the Pharaoh Solar has "Should the Sun Not Rise" charm bought, and will be sticking around as the voice in new solar's head (also explains why they think the new solar can meaningfully help - a mentor / advisor really speeds up acclimatization). If the statue is destroyed, the shard is likely not released. The question what happens is a good one. The most dangerous probability is that the shard gets tossed beyond the end of linear time, i.e. into the next iteration of the universe and is taken out of the equation. The other probability is a great paradox where the shard is released back in Ancient Egypt, or (arch)angels are forced to step in to prevent universal cataclysm.
I'd take the solar shard being Aku'd to the end or time or Uriel putting it in the white god's junk drawer as an unalloyed win. The fewer sharing the same planet as us the better.
I don't totally buy your premise, but if any of that is true I think the person who set it up would have known better than to make the failure mode for running out of juice catastrophic.
I don't totally buy your premise, but if any of that is true I think the person who set it up would have known better than to make the failure mode for running out of juice catastrophic.
The problem with that reasoning, besides it being personally offending my sensibilities and really infuriating, is that the abyssal shard is likely to stick around and be released if solar one is lost. Because that's how evil works.
As to failing safely... Possibly, but I am unsure. Note that when the statue was damaged, it produced alarms about imminent failure of its function. If the failure was "solar is released", that would have been mostly a success. We don't know why or the circumstances of the statue's creation.
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You would think so right? Solars and good sense...
Molly has faith that if something would require an angel to fix the timeline they would try to get to it and secure it before it went critical.
BoredMan
Dinosaurs came in many flavors. Like potato chips.
That quote does not prove either of those things. Though even if that is true it doesn't prove that the statue is incapable of getting up and leaving.
Why on earth did you link me two separate chapters instead of just quoting the relevant parts you found?
It could've been something else as Molly notes but yeah that seems accurate.
I'm sorry but we need substantial evidence to say that this is how it operates. Time manipulation is very high grade for the setting and rather noticeable besides.
Interesting theory however.
I had forgotten about some debt the spirits owed being out in the wind.
Not sure if that's really relevant to Godbot and it's ability to do its job and this bit means that we may actually have it ourselves-
All that aside, it evidently running out of power sounds like a legitimate concern though.
Good night guys, see you tomorrow with the fate of the Merlin and the council.
Because I tried to cut it down to specific quotes and ended up quoting nearly whole chapters. Sorry about that.
Ah, sorry, that was in one of the other closeby updates:
It's not my theory. It's how Molly believes the statue to operate.
Indeed. Which is why I, again, will be voting to deal with solar shard's security.