- Location
- washington
Oh by the way before we do a council confrontation we 100% want to get full essence regen I imagine.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
- Thread starter DragonParadox
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- Crossover Fantasy
Good night guys, see you tomorrow with warlock hunting.
[X] Infiltrate through the water system, it might lead you to someplace awkward, but at least you'll be inside the wards
-[X] Under BMI so even the wards can't tell that you are anything but water.
--[X] Turn into Horace Shaw
-[X] Activate Anonymity Through Propriety
Double layer of precaution. BMI into our target should bypass automatic magical defenses - they have to be tuned into the master of the house, and ATP would protect against sapient guardians.
-[X] Under BMI so even the wards can't tell that you are anything but water.
--[X] Turn into Horace Shaw
-[X] Activate Anonymity Through Propriety
Double layer of precaution. BMI into our target should bypass automatic magical defenses - they have to be tuned into the master of the house, and ATP would protect against sapient guardians.
- Location
- washington
This is some horror movie shit.
I dont see the point.
Magical defenses arent automatic specifically because the Dresdenverse is full of magical shapeshifters and glamor users.
You need the right key or passphrase to open them. Dresden's wards, for example, he needs to deactivate himself.
Molly and Murphy canonically used talismans he made for them to get through it.
ATP is Charisma + Etiquette at DC4.
Molly is rolling Charisma 4 + Etiquette 5 + Stunt 2 at DC3(Base 4 - BSM 1), which makes for an average of 9 successes.
Ergo, it requires someone with Willpower 9 or higher to even notice her.
- Location
- washington
I wouldn't say full of shapeshifters they're decently rare in Dresden files. I mean I'm sure there are countless in the nevernever and I'm not saying there aren't a lot just like it's no where near as common as glamours. Also those who can shapeshift to a specific persons body are even rarer given again I'm sure there are plenty just you know not common other than the endless nevernever where I'm sure there are countless more.
Veils and illusions are common. Faking the shape of one's soul and magical aura is much rarer.
Dresden is not the most skilled in subtle arts, and smart defenses afd subtle arts.
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
- Location
- Formerly of the Far Realm
I've never thought about it before, but if we use BMI to impersonate someone while also using ATP, then interact with that person, does ATP force them to behave as if we really are them because doing otherwise would be acknowledging we are out of place, and ATP blocks that realization?
That's serious mind-fuckery.
That's serious mind-fuckery.
- Location
- washington
I mean even faking the shape of one's body to match another's is pretty rare no mortal can do it. Well no canonical living mortal can at least.
Ivar
Dark Reaper
- Location
- Russia Moscow
[X] Infiltrate through the water system, it might lead you to someplace awkward, but at least you'll be inside the wards
-[X] Under BMI so even the wards can't tell that you are anything but water.
--[X] Turn into Horace Shaw
-[X] Activate Anonymity Through Propriety
-[X] Under BMI so even the wards can't tell that you are anything but water.
--[X] Turn into Horace Shaw
-[X] Activate Anonymity Through Propriety
I would.
The Fae do it all the time. Mab's size and height are appropriate to the occasion.
The Redcap was explicitly a combat shapeshifter; so are the fetches.
It was literally the plot of the short story Something Borrowed that Jenny Greenteeth impersonated Georgia the werewolf at her own wedding so thoroughly that her paramour Billy the werewolf shapeshifter could not tell any difference.
Not in magic aura, scent, or physical appearance.
Lea did it to Harry when he was still an apprentice. Mab did it to Harry at their first meeting.
Summer Lady Aurora's entourage did it so thoroughly Dresden couldnt tell the difference either in Summer Knight; he figured it out by deduction, not senses.
The Nightmare did it to Dresden in Grave Peril.
The fetches did it to Molly in Proven Guilty in order to enter the Carpenter house.The naagloshii did it to a security guard in the Raith manor in Turn Coat. Goodman Grey did it in Skin Game.
You gravely underestimate how common it is among the people that wizards routinely deal with.
Harry is not the most subtle wizard around, but building defensive wards properly is a fundamental survival skill.
He would not have graduated apprenticeship without it.
Not and survived his early career in Chicago, back when the Reds were in town.
I do not recall ever seeing an automatic magic defense or wards in the Dresden Files that recognizes people by magic aura or appearance. If you have a citation for one, I would appreciate it.
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Harry hasnt seen it onscreen =/= Its rare. We certainly see Quintus Cassius do it.
Always keep in mind that our primary canonical PoV character has largely viewed a microcosm of a microcosm of the setting.
And is notorious enough that a lot of people who want a quieter life actively steer clear of him.
Frankly, if someone is really good at shapeshifting and impersonating other people, unless they actually tell you or you are suspicious enough to look at them with the Sight, you wont be able to tell.
At least, not from their appearance. Maybe if you asked a question they should know and they flub it.
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This quest is fantastic and I love to read it, so please forgive me for lurking without voting.
What books are you using to run this DragonParadox? I see Exalted VS Wod, which I have, but I'm not sure about the full splat list or editions being referenced, and there is quite a lot of referencing in the arguments.
What books are you using to run this DragonParadox? I see Exalted VS Wod, which I have, but I'm not sure about the full splat list or editions being referenced, and there is quite a lot of referencing in the arguments.
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
- Location
- Formerly of the Far Realm
Can someone refresh my memory about what we learned could happen to a Wizard who uses their Sight on Molly? I know it was considered dangerous, but I can't recall how dangerous it might be, or if that danger would have grown as Molly's Essence and Charms increased.
If we do use @Yog's plan and happen to encounter Shaw, if my assumption about how ATP would mess with his head proves accurate, his only recourse would be to use the Sight to overcome BMI and possibly ATP (if the Sight can even do that). That wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing, however, if getting a full dose of MOLLY-ness burns out his eyes or fries his brain.
[X] Yog
[X] Infiltrate through the water system, it might lead you to someplace awkward, but at least you'll be inside the wards
-[X] Under BMI so even the wards can't tell that you are anything but water.
If we do use @Yog's plan and happen to encounter Shaw, if my assumption about how ATP would mess with his head proves accurate, his only recourse would be to use the Sight to overcome BMI and possibly ATP (if the Sight can even do that). That wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing, however, if getting a full dose of MOLLY-ness burns out his eyes or fries his brain.
[X] Yog
[X] Infiltrate through the water system, it might lead you to someplace awkward, but at least you'll be inside the wards
-[X] Under BMI so even the wards can't tell that you are anything but water.
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fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
Well it would be sort of bad. The whole point of this is to have someone to interrogate.
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
- Location
- Formerly of the Far Realm
I doubt it would kill him. Would probably soften him up quite a bit, though.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
Well Tiffany uses the Demons the Fallen (1 and 2) splat
Olivia Uses Mage 20th Anniversary edition and Kindred of the East
There are references to The 1000 hells Kindred of the East, but really that book is vague and obviously not compatible with observed reality.
Inner Darkness unchained has also made use of Werewolf the Apocalypse
Think that we have gotten things out of M20 Book of secrets
- Pronouns
- She/Her
[X] Infiltrate through the water system, it might lead you to someplace awkward, but at least you'll be inside the wards
-[X] Under BMI so even the wards can't tell that you are anything but water.
--[X] Turn into Horace Shaw
-[X] Activate Anonymity Through Propriety
-[X] Under BMI so even the wards can't tell that you are anything but water.
--[X] Turn into Horace Shaw
-[X] Activate Anonymity Through Propriety
So for near term security of the portal I've got some suggestions I'm going to stick in a spoiler:
Switched soul stealing for literally reducing their fortunes. From a strategic level this is probably better, assuming Mallko wouldn't get ridiculously ripped eating all those vampires, because it would make organized effort truly miserable.
Shaping defenses exist, but they're not common or cheap. High level people could defend against it, but if your forces suddenly start choking on logistical problems good luck keeping control of the area. Even if they find a way to remove it from scrubs, which should be very hard because Ancient Sorcery is bullshit, doing so for everyone would be impractical.
When set up at a gate, way station, toll booth, or some similar clear boundary the owner and any who promise to defend it with them they are rendered immune to damage fire, cold, wind, lightning, stone, metal, wood, and poison. Furthermore they cannot be possessed or subject to any mind altering magical effects.
As 6 Point Merit: OTHS' magic is supremely effective at interfering with the supernatural abilities of targets in its mouth.
Flaws:
One Thousand Heavy Steps is an unusually cheerful sort of spirit; on more than one occasion they've been known to refer to themselves as "all smiles", for all that other people tend to find that less funny than they do.
This is quite simply because from the outside OTHS tends to look like either a sharp rock formation or something like a thousand foot long twenty foot wide obsidian millipede depending on their mood.
This is of course a dangerous misconception; spirits only loosely reflect any sort of biological sense.
In this case, OTHS' interior, from end to end, is 100% mouth. When concealing themselves their maw appears to be some sort of tunnel or cave lined with the occasional dull crystal and a multitude of unusually sharp rock formations.
In reality these are quite naturally a nightmarish mix of stony eyes and countless teeth. From end to end his is filled with them, positively dripping with the poison that fills his mouth like saliva and reeking of an alien rot that feels less like a smell and more like something trying to roost in your lungs with each breath.
Their most nerve wracking ability however, is their power to smother the magic of those within his mouth. Each scrap of power is a struggle to keep ahold of when they feel the need.
The idea here is probably pretty obvious at this point, but to tie it all up; the intent would be to have OTHS essentially swallow the portal. Or at least position themselves so that the portal is inside them at the far end from their actual mouth because spirit pretend biology is fun like that.
Everyone on site, including our favorite horrifying mess of legs and teeth here, would use the brass seal for immunities. This would make getting out of the "tunnel" by any means but walking down it very difficult for most people. Most of the time OTHS can keep their mouth closed and potentially duck their whole head into a lava flow if there's a security problem. If not, they'd be fireproof most of the time and our enemies won't. Mount remote control napalm sprayers at the base of some of their teeth for on demand terror.
Either way, when something tries to break in he tries to nerf their supernatural powers into the ground and starts chewing.
Whoever's inside needs to be immune or resistant to poison (and fire if we add napalm). They need to immediately realize that effects based on metal, stone, wood, poison, fire, lightning, cold, air, mental influence, and possession don't work. They need to force their way through the teeth of a giant monster by some other means while it's actively chewing on them. All while the magic dial has been turned way down into low fantasy and the noxious fumes are trying to choke you out.
Then they get to fight the demon army.
It's not perfect, but we could take satisfaction in that anyone who does break through will really hate every moment of the experience.
This curious blessing takes the form of a coating of rich soil dusted across its master and their immediate possessions, as if they'd been working in some fertile field for hours. This sacred soil provides some basic ability to shape that which resonates with it, allowing its master to change the details of their immediate surroundings.
When a creature that feeds on mortals comes in contact with them or the dirt falling off their body it burrows in like the roots of an alien plant, spreading inside their body and rotting away what it touches into more soil.
If this kills the target then they fully decompose into rich fertilizer and crumbles across the ground.
As they suffer from the rebuke of the earth, they also find its riches slipping from their hands. Fate will conspire to drive them into poverty for a time, a lingering act of spite for any who live long enough to regret going where they do not belong.
System:
Each time a creature who feeds mortals that comes into contact with the owner of this splendor or the dirt coating their form while in their immediate presence they are subject to the Hunger of the Earth, a murderous magical poison.
Each turn they must make a stamina roll against difficulty 9 or suffer a level of unsoakable lethal damage. This will continue until they die or manage to succeed three turns in a row.
The first turn a target takes damage from this splendor, the owner also rolls manipulation+finance against difficulty 7. The target loses that many dots of the Resources background, which return at a rate of 1 per story.
When a creature that feeds on mortals comes in contact with them or the dirt falling off their body it burrows in like the roots of an alien plant, spreading inside their body and rotting away what it touches into more soil.
If this kills the target then they fully decompose into rich fertilizer and crumbles across the ground.
As they suffer from the rebuke of the earth, they also find its riches slipping from their hands. Fate will conspire to drive them into poverty for a time, a lingering act of spite for any who live long enough to regret going where they do not belong.
System:
Each time a creature who feeds mortals that comes into contact with the owner of this splendor or the dirt coating their form while in their immediate presence they are subject to the Hunger of the Earth, a murderous magical poison.
Each turn they must make a stamina roll against difficulty 9 or suffer a level of unsoakable lethal damage. This will continue until they die or manage to succeed three turns in a row.
The first turn a target takes damage from this splendor, the owner also rolls manipulation+finance against difficulty 7. The target loses that many dots of the Resources background, which return at a rate of 1 per story.
Shaping defenses exist, but they're not common or cheap. High level people could defend against it, but if your forces suddenly start choking on logistical problems good luck keeping control of the area. Even if they find a way to remove it from scrubs, which should be very hard because Ancient Sorcery is bullshit, doing so for everyone would be impractical.
This 4 yard radius disk of beaten brass holds a deceptively simple power. Upon its surface an agreement is engraved, offering the reader protection from various forms of harm in exchange for guarding a passage from unwanted intrusion.
When set up at a gate, way station, toll booth, or some similar clear boundary the owner and any who promise to defend it with them they are rendered immune to damage fire, cold, wind, lightning, stone, metal, wood, and poison. Furthermore they cannot be possessed or subject to any mind altering magical effects.
Base Features:
Arcana Flaws:
Bonus Arcana Features:
Brawl
Brawl
Arcana Flaws:
Bonus Arcana Features:
As 6 Point Flaw: OTHS' magic only works on things in their mouth, and then only when attempting to interfere with other supernatural powers.
As 6 Point Merit: OTHS' magic is supremely effective at interfering with the supernatural abilities of targets in its mouth.
Innate Ability: Suppress a wide range of magical powers using anti-psi rules.
Flaws:
Taste
This is quite simply because from the outside OTHS tends to look like either a sharp rock formation or something like a thousand foot long twenty foot wide obsidian millipede depending on their mood.
This is of course a dangerous misconception; spirits only loosely reflect any sort of biological sense.
In this case, OTHS' interior, from end to end, is 100% mouth. When concealing themselves their maw appears to be some sort of tunnel or cave lined with the occasional dull crystal and a multitude of unusually sharp rock formations.
In reality these are quite naturally a nightmarish mix of stony eyes and countless teeth. From end to end his is filled with them, positively dripping with the poison that fills his mouth like saliva and reeking of an alien rot that feels less like a smell and more like something trying to roost in your lungs with each breath.
Their most nerve wracking ability however, is their power to smother the magic of those within his mouth. Each scrap of power is a struggle to keep ahold of when they feel the need.
Everyone on site, including our favorite horrifying mess of legs and teeth here, would use the brass seal for immunities. This would make getting out of the "tunnel" by any means but walking down it very difficult for most people. Most of the time OTHS can keep their mouth closed and potentially duck their whole head into a lava flow if there's a security problem. If not, they'd be fireproof most of the time and our enemies won't. Mount remote control napalm sprayers at the base of some of their teeth for on demand terror.
Either way, when something tries to break in he tries to nerf their supernatural powers into the ground and starts chewing.
Whoever's inside needs to be immune or resistant to poison (and fire if we add napalm). They need to immediately realize that effects based on metal, stone, wood, poison, fire, lightning, cold, air, mental influence, and possession don't work. They need to force their way through the teeth of a giant monster by some other means while it's actively chewing on them. All while the magic dial has been turned way down into low fantasy and the noxious fumes are trying to choke you out.
Then they get to fight the demon army.
It's not perfect, but we could take satisfaction in that anyone who does break through will really hate every moment of the experience.
We should probably get some verification on this first. I think there's a good argument for it, but still.
- Location
- Germany
Most sorcerers, including Olivia, who are not quite magical enough to count as full Wizards (who do draw from M20), use Sorcerer Revised for their Path-magic.
This is because M20 Paths of Power, the newer Sorcerer book, is pretty new and wasn't available until recently.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
I knew that, but I didn't know which book it was in.
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
[X] Infiltrate through the water system, it might lead you to someplace awkward, but at least you'll be inside the wards
-[X] Under BMI so even the wards can't tell that you are anything but water.
--[X] Turn into Horace Shaw
-[X] Activate Anonymity Through Propriety
-[X] Under BMI so even the wards can't tell that you are anything but water.
--[X] Turn into Horace Shaw
-[X] Activate Anonymity Through Propriety