BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
This position of yours is untenable and you didn't even address everything I said. I'm just going to stop engaging with you.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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This position of yours is untenable and you didn't even address everything I said. I'm just going to stop engaging with you.
Okay this is kind of painful I may be putting words in acolyte's mouth but I think what they're getting at is the fact that the five-fold court of fate has been at peace for centuries possesses no real connection to the world and Nemesis despite being an outsider does not actually possess the ability to destroy a complex bureaucracy because it has a limited number of slots.
This position of yours is untenable and you didn't even address everything I said. I'm just going to stop engaging with you.
So out on top of being outside of its remit of an outer lord, outside of its actual Target which is the real world which aims to destroy, possessing a complex government of multiple governments intertwined that have been at peace for centuries destabilization efforts could last hundreds of years and actively detracts from its goal of destroying the universe because it draws parts of its attention away from the actual goal never mind the fact that we can snuff any war or unrest that Nemesis could actually start because we have lord of the land and we wouldn't kill anybody doing that either because even if we literally flattened the cities and the billions of people in them we could shape them back into being again just like Malfeas does his city rings.
The fact that we don't interact with the court as anything more than resource does not help the impression that an individual infiltrator like Nemesis would be highly ineffectual if he got there. He can't interrupt the resources we would get out of it because we are worshiped as a God and actively prevent a not insignificant portion of our population from dying repeatedly from cancer just by existing.
I do not believe this Stance to be correct a nemisis infiltration could be dangerous and bad for us but it won't come from just Nemesis being there it'll be from some kind of Outsider cult forming inside of our body like fucking Gremlins and Apostates in Autocthon.
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BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
Keep in mind that Molly is his most hated (or at least one of) enemy now. As long as she's in his way he has the motive. If you can't imagine that he could cause problems for us in having access to her soul or things from it then I don't know what to tell you.
Edit: Please use paragraphs walls of text are inherently hard to read.
I can that was an unfortunate misspelling I've edited the text to hopefully be more legible. I was saying that subversion is more the problem with Nemesis in our hell Cults that may lead to Greater issues rather than just the presence of nemesis.
Edit: on that note I'm on any side that allows us to resurrect or keep this God alive.
[X] Plan Fighting Fit
-[X] Ask the god to take you to a leyline nexus, whatever's close and empty.
-[X] Set up for full crafting buffs (CCC, BSM, WHWH, FPoR, excellency), max out FPoR's bonus by performing the quickest possible warm up rolls for occult.
-[X] Craft the Second Chance splendor
-[X] Use it to restore Mallko to a more whole state, then have Sophia attempt to heal the basic health track damage
-[X] [Stunt]: "Perhaps there is another way, if a rougher one". A deep resolve entered Molly's voice, a mountain that would not be moved "I can attempt a restoration here, but I'll need the remains of that thing and a leyline nexus." Drifting into the air Molly continued "If you wish to be whole we need to move".
[X] Plan Stargate Command
-[X] You are saving an ancient Peruvian God today and that's final, you'll find some way to guard the gate or sever it later
-[X] Activate Occult Excellency, BSM, WHWH via Lord of Land Manipulation,
-[X] Select the Sanctuary-side emergence point in a military facility rated for extremely destructive tests, like a balefire or final death research and testing black sites in deep Outer Wastes
-[X] Stunt: Heavy is the Head that wears the Crown, and never before had it felt heavier. To take a risk, expose those under your aegis to new dangers - rhampires attacking, Nemesis infiltration, nuclear weapon strikes, all for the sake of your conflict, and to save one life? You almost turn away. The world around you responds to your inner turmoil, the chill of the wastes permeating the air, causing condensation to gather on your armored shoulders, as it almost starts to rain. And yet, embraced as you are by the touch of the world of your soul, you remember - your subjects are not weak. From the first time you met, they have been eager to test themselves against the challenge of the wider cosmos. To boldly stride forward. And with that reminder, you cast out your sight, mystic senses and that which in mortal tongues is called Intellectus combining to select the best possible emergency point.
[X] You are saving an ancient Peruvian God today and that's final, you'll find some way to guard the gate or sever it later
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[X] Plan Stargate Command
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
Nemesis could pose an issue all on his own. He could gather information and report it to other factions for example. Like info on the Five Court's combat capabilities, defences, and location in the NN then deliver it to Yama Kings.
We kind of massively fucked up the only Yama King that was actually a threat to us the other ones don't even have populations that know how guns work or populations worth mentioning that aren't a rounding error in a modern country.
Never mind the fact that we aren't in the same never never area as the Thousand Hells so they would need to stop their endless thousand side War to March somewhere a grand distance and trust that they're hell doesn't get eaten while they're gone. Even with all that info the only one who might be able to take advantage of it is the lord of the wicked City and he's currently indisposed and if we did it right about to die.
There's also the fact that the Yama Kings are not liked by either faction of fairies I would have to march across their territory to find our hell in the first place. There's a lot of things Nemesis could do I'm not going to deny that but he would need to find a single individual who has access to all of that information there are five cities each with their individual government that are all bound to a single overarching government which has a council not an executive.
Edit: there's surveillance all over our hell from sutras to cameras to just general people that have augments on them if they're not also housing adjacent spirits there's a lot of stuff in our hell that might be able to detect someone being possessed so he would need to be extremely careful or keep to his settle manipulation but he could get a lot of information I don't doubt that.
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BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
When did we figure that out?
- Location
- Scotland
[X] You are saving an ancient Peruvian God today and that's final, you'll find some way to guard the gate or sever it later
[X] Plan Fighting Fit
[X] Plan Stargate Command
[X] Plan Fighting Fit
[X] Plan Stargate Command
The Thousand Hells can be accessed directly from the mortal world and are close enough to Faery that one of them can feasibly wage war. We are some distance so far out that no connection to the mortal world actually exists except through us and we need a special fuel and music to activate that condition depending on which way we're going.
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
That is not what that post says. Where are you getting this from? The lands of Fae are supposed to be the closest thing to Earth as per canon.
That literally just says it's some place deep in the NeverNever.
Kakuri waged war on winter that's how our exaltation ended up in her hold. That quote is about our hell forming and us going to it not the 1,000 hells which are close enough to Faery that Emma decided to wage war with the seed of night as the jades called it.
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BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
Emma does not have to be nearby a faction to wage war or attack it.
The Thousand Hills are constantly trying to devour each other he needs to be close enough that he's willing to have an Army march on winter despite constantly being at war with the wicked City Lanka the hell of boiling oil and every other king at once. Considering he dedicated a super weapon to trying to do it he thought the logistical trains worked out that he was not taking a significant risk of leaving his hell undefended.
That's also unrelated to the point of the Thousand Hells are close enough to directly touch the surface of the world and ours is in the Deep Nevernever.
OctarineShrike
Avatar of Mandos
[X] Plan Fighting Fit
-[X] Ask the god to take you to a leyline nexus, whatever's close and empty.
-[X] Set up for full crafting buffs (CCC, BSM, WHWH, FPoR, excellency), max out FPoR's bonus by performing the quickest possible warm up rolls for occult.
-[X] Craft the Second Chance splendor
-[X] Use it to restore Mallko to a more whole state, then have Sophia attempt to heal the basic health track damage
-[X] [Stunt]: "Perhaps there is another way, if a rougher one". A deep resolve entered Molly's voice, a mountain that would not be moved "I can attempt a restoration here, but I'll need the remains of that thing and a leyline nexus." Drifting into the air Molly continued "If you wish to be whole we need to move".
[X] Regretfully Goodbye, you cannot take the risk
-[X] Ask the god to take you to a leyline nexus, whatever's close and empty.
-[X] Set up for full crafting buffs (CCC, BSM, WHWH, FPoR, excellency), max out FPoR's bonus by performing the quickest possible warm up rolls for occult.
-[X] Craft the Second Chance splendor
-[X] Use it to restore Mallko to a more whole state, then have Sophia attempt to heal the basic health track damage
-[X] [Stunt]: "Perhaps there is another way, if a rougher one". A deep resolve entered Molly's voice, a mountain that would not be moved "I can attempt a restoration here, but I'll need the remains of that thing and a leyline nexus." Drifting into the air Molly continued "If you wish to be whole we need to move".
[X] Regretfully Goodbye, you cannot take the risk
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
I'll drop this specific point on the Fallen/Yama but it stands for any other interested faction we've aggroed of which there are many.
Oh yeah we got tons of enemies that would pay out the nose or love to have information about our capabilities it's just we are a considerably easier to get at Target and if you don't have magic to kill a planet a considerably easier to kill Target than the five-fold court of fate.
For the Yama Kings attacking the five fold court is not untenable but like way less than setting a trap in the real world where a bunch of powerful Akuma can be quickly dispatched and then withdrawn before any of the other kings notice they're absence. A protracted March away from their hell is deadly for any of them individually.
Same For The Fallen a lot of them are just humans that have magic coins rather than people with magic that also have magic coins and they are about as resistant to bullets as that implies even Nico himself isn't actually immune to bullets he's just extremely Hardy and can pull himself together from being shredded by bullets but the noose doesn't actually stop him from getting shredded.
For the vast majority of our enemies the five-fold courts of Fate represent an extremely hard Target in comparison to a single person. The difference between assassinating a guy and attacking Earth. This is before the fact that our hell is partially radioactive and Frozen to the point of being outright deadly to most beings that exist on Earth.
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
I was referring to the Fallen. The Yama were described to also be Fallen in this Quest.
We know it probably can be fixed, but have no idea how to start. It's functionally indefinite and there's no point in treating it otherwise.
My point with the linear sorcerer thing was that your comment about Prima Metallum didn't really move the needle. I don't think physically tough material is a significant barrier to the people who matter regardless of how tough it actually gets. Once you've created a mook filter level obstacle it comes down to other security factors.
Nicodemus is not going to be stopped by a thick door of all things if he wants to go somewhere.
As to who would do it? Someone looking to screw us over while we're sticking out nose into their business.
There is no such thing as foolproof.
It's an indefinite feature we'd plan to at some point research how to undo.
We're functionally talking about getting a tattoo with the intention of inventing laser tattoo removal at some point down the line.
Perhaps calling it permanent doesn't properly encapsulate that, but the implication of the situation is clearly that this will not be a simple clean up job. There's no reason to believe that it'll take 6 months over 6 years, and in any case our long term enemies are highly likely to have plenty of time to take a run at it when it suits them.
My point with hellfire is that there are actually some crazy forces out there and I think that it's unwise to assume that we know everyone's limits when we've mostly just scratched the surface of the high end.
As far as I see it Molly's hell planet seems like it should be able to handle most attention because it's an entire world too and has a lot going for it. The problem is that the opposition which will most want to exploit this opening are the ones who break the normal scale over their knees.
If the red king wants to march into hell I'd throw a welcoming parade for his execution, but nemesis literally exists to get around barred gates.
Banking on the Denarians not to cheat isn't a great idea either. Especially if they just fuck things up by coming up with some magical bullshit we didn't think of to blow the door down for someone else as an example.
On FPoR - it's basically BSM but with skill sets. Maxing it out is just a matter of doing three rolls in the same set as the skill you want to use. IC that's basically just leaning into the themes of the city Molly wants to mantle so it's not any weirder to deliberately exploit than bringing water for BSM instead of only using it while in the sea.
If we're rolling occult for targeting warm up with some considerations on the magical impact of what we're about to do, or an academics roll to remember the details of the area.
I was more getting at the fact that magical metal and just like an enchanted Vault stands a better chance of stopping the magic of the denarians in the first place then no chance. Though that is kind of beside the point I was making the denarians are humans that aren't immune to guns the only one who is carries a noose that doesn't actually stop his body from getting fucked up it just means none of the damage is permanent.
Attacking a hard point with people who have magic and are watching for other beings that have magic is way outside the skill set of the vast majority of the denarians and insanely dangerous because none of them except him are immune to being shot and also outside of one or two of them that are wearing their human like a sock which one of the humans is going to want to try to track through Faery to the ass end of a Brazilian jungle just to get killed by the militarized factions with with auto turrets that can just fire on their own after ascertaining the target due to sutras.
We are ourselves are a softer Target compared to a fortified military position with cameras that have the ability to detect Magic and Personnel that can also have the ability to detect magic and make extra actions per turn and guns that will just automatically turn and shoot them if they are detected. Before they even get to the blast Doors you're talking about how can we push through these Fomori that have sorcery and Supernatural gifts that might allow them to detect magic being used to hide someone and possibly training for exactly that.
A lot of the threat level of the denarians comes from the fact that they are individual actors that are fighting people that have to react to what they do attacking a fortified position I don't think we ever see them do it that in Canon and it makes sense why. It's putting their possibly Eternal lives at risk for very little benefit.
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BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
Oh yeah. The vote. Feel like there should've been a moratorium on this one so people would be forced to consider all the angles but it is what it is. Same as with King Arthur.
[X] Plan Fighting Fit
[X] Regretfully Goodbye, you cannot take the risk
[X] Plan Fighting Fit
[X] Regretfully Goodbye, you cannot take the risk
- Pronouns
- She/Her
[X] Plan Stargate Command
-[X] You are saving an ancient Peruvian God today and that's final, you'll find some way to guard the gate or sever it later
-[X] Activate Occult Excellency, BSM, WHWH via Lord of Land Manipulation,
-[X] Select the Sanctuary-side emergence point in a military facility rated for extremely destructive tests, like a balefire or final death research and testing black sites in deep Outer Wastes
-[X] Stunt: Heavy is the Head that wears the Crown, and never before had it felt heavier. To take a risk, expose those under your aegis to new dangers - rhampires attacking, Nemesis infiltration, nuclear weapon strikes, all for the sake of your conflict, and to save one life? You almost turn away. The world around you responds to your inner turmoil, the chill of the wastes permeating the air, causing condensation to gather on your armored shoulders, as it almost starts to rain. And yet, embraced as you are by the touch of the world of your soul, you remember - your subjects are not weak. From the first time you met, they have been eager to test themselves against the challenge of the wider cosmos. To boldly stride forward. And with that reminder, you cast out your sight, mystic senses and that which in mortal tongues is called Intellectus combining to select the best possible emergency point.
[X] You are saving an ancient Peruvian God today and that's final, you'll find some way to guard the gate or sever it later
Amending my vote to include Yog's plan here
-[X] You are saving an ancient Peruvian God today and that's final, you'll find some way to guard the gate or sever it later
-[X] Activate Occult Excellency, BSM, WHWH via Lord of Land Manipulation,
-[X] Select the Sanctuary-side emergence point in a military facility rated for extremely destructive tests, like a balefire or final death research and testing black sites in deep Outer Wastes
-[X] Stunt: Heavy is the Head that wears the Crown, and never before had it felt heavier. To take a risk, expose those under your aegis to new dangers - rhampires attacking, Nemesis infiltration, nuclear weapon strikes, all for the sake of your conflict, and to save one life? You almost turn away. The world around you responds to your inner turmoil, the chill of the wastes permeating the air, causing condensation to gather on your armored shoulders, as it almost starts to rain. And yet, embraced as you are by the touch of the world of your soul, you remember - your subjects are not weak. From the first time you met, they have been eager to test themselves against the challenge of the wider cosmos. To boldly stride forward. And with that reminder, you cast out your sight, mystic senses and that which in mortal tongues is called Intellectus combining to select the best possible emergency point.
[X] You are saving an ancient Peruvian God today and that's final, you'll find some way to guard the gate or sever it later
Amending my vote to include Yog's plan here
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We should be thinking about what our next steps should be with the Peabody situation here too. Remember that this is a side quest for a side quest. We came here to rescue some wizards that we've lightly(?) traumatized, and went for the elder vamp because screw the red court.
If we reincarnate however much land Mallko's body covers as hellbound territory and open a portal to the FCF are we going to need to park an army here tonight? Is the council going to blow a gasket?
When Harry, Charity, Murphy, and Thomas went to rescue Molly from Arctis Tor they just walked in because the Denarians had raided that part of the city.
I respect their competence and you should too.
It seems to me that this position that we can definitely handle all of this by default assumes our enemies are unmotivated, unimaginative idiots.
If Nicodemus wants in because he's got a plot and wants us distracted, or perhaps thinks he can harvest something useful from us, then I expect him to pack stupid levels of bullshit into whatever he does. Even if the ultimate aim fails he could still cause significant damage.
I'd bet on the FCF being able to hold that gate against 98% of all supernatural powers. The problem is that we're screwing with the last 2% and those guys are nuts.
We'll put up a set of five consecutive doors of imperishable brass; each set with five gems containing handcrafted demon gods, quenched in blessings from another age of the world, and etched with curses never seen on earth. Maybe patrol it with cybernetic demons wielding technosorcery marrying the unspeakable horrors of industrialized warfare with the reality bending wonders of magic in ways people didn't know they should've been afraid of.
Scare the locals right off and everything.
Then some shithead will spend 6 months designing an unmaking ritual that opens a portal directly to the Devil's throne room to beg for a cup of primeval annihilation or something and knock the whole thing over.
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If we reincarnate however much land Mallko's body covers as hellbound territory and open a portal to the FCF are we going to need to park an army here tonight? Is the council going to blow a gasket?
If Magog charges the door sure, but Nicodemus has been doing this for two thousand years. He engineered the Black Death, which killed like ~15% of the human population by the time it was finally done.
When Harry, Charity, Murphy, and Thomas went to rescue Molly from Arctis Tor they just walked in because the Denarians had raided that part of the city.
I respect their competence and you should too.
It seems to me that this position that we can definitely handle all of this by default assumes our enemies are unmotivated, unimaginative idiots.
If Nicodemus wants in because he's got a plot and wants us distracted, or perhaps thinks he can harvest something useful from us, then I expect him to pack stupid levels of bullshit into whatever he does. Even if the ultimate aim fails he could still cause significant damage.
I'd bet on the FCF being able to hold that gate against 98% of all supernatural powers. The problem is that we're screwing with the last 2% and those guys are nuts.
We'll put up a set of five consecutive doors of imperishable brass; each set with five gems containing handcrafted demon gods, quenched in blessings from another age of the world, and etched with curses never seen on earth. Maybe patrol it with cybernetic demons wielding technosorcery marrying the unspeakable horrors of industrialized warfare with the reality bending wonders of magic in ways people didn't know they should've been afraid of.
Scare the locals right off and everything.
Then some shithead will spend 6 months designing an unmaking ritual that opens a portal directly to the Devil's throne room to beg for a cup of primeval annihilation or something and knock the whole thing over.
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