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Traveller, The Rise of Empire: A Naval Design, Procurement and Command Quest

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I hope we took note of the average distance that the Aslan were at when their pilots scored direct hits and near direct hits on turrets and other weapons. Knowing how big our personal space envelope is and the redline for point defense is very important. How effective we can be at stopping incoming fighters would effect the weapon layouts on our ships. The simplest options being either grouping them together under massed protection of PD turrets or spreading them out even farther across the hull to prevent multi-kills and split their attention.
 
This patch-maker is great fun, though I am puzzled by the fact that NASA is the one set of templates that they do not seem to have available. I haven't made anything for the defenders of Home, but I'm getting a real kick out of it otherwise.
 
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6-3: Lander Issues
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    • Adhoc vote count started by 4WheelSword on Aug 21, 2024 at 6:47 AM, finished with 35 posts and 13 votes.
    • [X] OPLAN: Starfall
      [X] OPLAN: Starfall
      -[X] Nine, one each plus spares.
      -[X] Leave lander as-is; assess final cost of complete design before deciding on if revisions are needed.
      -[X] Trade, to increase the wealth of home.
      -[X] Transit rights, to extend the range of our scouts.
      -[X] A permanent embassy, if the Aslan are willing and negotiations go well.
      [X] Plan A
      -[X] Nine, one each plus spares.
      -[X] Military Assault Transport should be slimmed down to 6K tonnes. As needed, in order of priority:
      --[X] remove the fighter-bombers
      --[X] remove the recovery deck
      --[X] lower the in-system speed
      --[X] lower the FLF complement
      -[X] Transit rights, to extend the range of our scouts.
      --[X] If the negotiations are going well, then in addition to the above inquire about setting up a permanent embassy.
      --[X] If the negotiations are going well, then in addition to the above out potential trade deals.
      [X] OPLAN: Pickup and Home
      -[X] Reduce the in-system speed, lowering both drive and plant requirements.
      -[X] Write-in: maintain current Carrier specs in spite of weight if necessary.
      -[X] Transit rights, to extend the range of our scouts.
      -[X] Trade, to increase the wealth of home.
      [X] OPLAN: Pickup and Home
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    How many should be built? Nine, one each plus spares.
    What elements would the HSWS be willing to compromise on? Leave lander as-is; assess final cost of complete design before deciding on if revisions are needed.
    What would the HSWS hope to achieve from this diplomacy? Trade, to increase the wealth of home. Transit rights, to extend the range of our scouts. A permanent embassy, if the Aslan are willing and negotiations go well.


    Military Assault Transport
    The Marine Lander, the FLF Fast Conveyor, the Military Assault Transport. It has gone through several names and conceptualisations of design over the last few years, but the near finalised version is finally in front of the HSWS. The MAT is to be the largest ship in the fleet, capable of emptying almost half of its volume in order to deploy a full battalion of FLF infantry to the surface of a world and then provide them with orbital fire-power in the form of four mass drivers and twenty missile tubes. It will also be capable of delivering a full squadron of fighters into the locale, to conduct orbital and atmospheric supremacy missions as well as ground strike with their cavernous weapons bays.
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    Unfortunately, the design is overweight by half a kiloton. The HSWS has two choices, according to the architects; Either cut some capabilities or enlarge the ship by another kiloton or more. The latter option is likely to expand construction times dramatically as it will require shipping components in from Cassalon rather than simply relying on the local yards.

    How would the HSWS like to solve this problem:
    [ ] Reduce the fighter complement to 4, saving nearly 600 tons.
    [ ] Remove the mass drivers, saving 250 tons.
    [ ] Trim the drives and power plant to minimum levels, saving some 200 tons.
    [ ] Enlarge the ship to 9ktons+
    [ ] Other - write in.

    Other construction
    Nine CFC's are laid down in the Cassalon yards, taking up a tiny amount of yard space in return for a remarkable change in capability. These nine little ships will be named for the muses - Calliope, Clio, Polyhymnia, Euterpe, Terpsichore, Erato, Melpomene, Thalia and Urania - and will be ready for duty in just ten months. At that point, the last of the block I Interstellar Cruisers will be in the yards for refits, the first of the block IIa will be coming off the slips and the first eight FFE's will be ready and with the fleet. If the HSWS is willing, there should be 8,000 tons of yard space available at 10y00m00w.


    Scouting South
    The 1st Scouting Flotilla spends months in the South surveying deep space and conducting long range scans of unknown space. What they return with is the knowledge of multiple direct routes to Home from Hermosa with barely any time spent in deep space. The 1st SF seek permission to conduct scouting operations into these sectors in order to establish exactly how possible it is for the Hermosans to travel into what is at this point broadly considered Home space.
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    How does the HSWS feel about this?
    [ ] Conduct peaceful exploration missions into this space, establishing routes of access and ensuring the Hermosans are not a threat.
    [ ] Attach military forces and conduct scouting with escorts - which ships?
    [ ] Something else - write in.


    Formations
    Numerous squadron patches have been submitted to the fleet, including:

    Cassalon Station

    Fleet Landing Force Infantry

    Home Fleet

    MMV Patch, Perkūnas variant

    Expeditionary Force Patch

    Are there any objections from the HSWS?
    [ ] None
    [ ] Write in.

    Please present any votes as a plan. Voting opens at
     
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    • Is having 4 fighters meaningful? Perhaps cut to zero and use the spare space to add some common rooms so the marines don't get too bored, or perhaps training rooms and simulators, or just some extra cargo space?
     
    In addition to cutting down to 4 fighters for CAS purposes, I think we should cut half of the mass drivers. 4 of them is overkill; a pair should be good enough. Spare tonnage can go to more missile turrets.
     
    [X] OPLAN Chain Home
    -[X] Reduce the fighter complement to 4, saving nearly 600 tons.
    -[X] Write-in: Assemble a scouting mission only after the Fast Escorts are ready for assignment to these flights as the point ships to guard Scouts and DSS-we know Hermosa to be a hostile power and cannot go in unprepared.
    -[X] None
    PRIORITY MESSAGE-OFFICIAL MILITARY TRAFFIC-ENCRYPTED
    Source: Cassalon Net-Relay, HSWS Caturix.
    To: MWO Interim Plans Staff
    From: Novohal, L. , Maj., 44th Pathfinders, Humanitarian Assistance and Security Force (TDY)

    Coming Home next rota-19th Path taking over STOP Got in contact with PMCA-will rush FFE for scouting to Hermosa STOP Too bad about air wing had to cut somewhere STOP Tell R I miss our walks STOP
     
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    [X] OPLAN Chain Home

    I like this plan, but should we specify that the Fast Escorts should be the first to enter potentially hostile systems? They have a lot of point defence and good sensors, so they are good for this task.
     
    [X] Plan: SCR-270
    -[X] Reduce the fighter complement to 4, saving nearly 600 tons.
    -[X] Other - write in: Reduce the mass drivers to 2
    -[X] Other - write in: Increase the number of missile turrets, and correspondingly increase magazine sizes
    -[X] Write-in: Assemble a scouting mission only after the Fast Escorts are ready for assignment to these flights as the point ships to guard Scouts and DSS-we know Hermosa to be a hostile power and cannot go in unprepared
    -[X] None

    I think 4 mass drivers isn't worth it. They're only there for targets with so much armour that missiles won't get through; missiles have a way better performance per ton. It's 7.75 tons per bombardment point/damage die with the mass drivers, but 1.5 tons per for the missiles. Mass drivers also have a -4 modifier to hit mobile targets.
     
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    Main problem is probably that I think we're just about at hardpoint cap so at most we're squeezing in two more additional missile turrets; maybe just get of 2x mass drivers and put that into magazine space and common areas?
     
    Pinniped said:
    [X] OPLAN Chain Home

    I like this plan, but should we specify that the Fast Escorts should be the first to enter potentially hostile systems? They have a lot of point defence and good sensors, so they are good for this task.
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    Updated-that was implicit in my argument but I'll make it evident.
     
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