Btw we have to marry Laenor eventually - cuz if we didn't and Daemon still marries Laena like in Canon, we're gonna be cooked in terms of balance of dragonriders against the Velaryons.

I don't think that is required. A major element is that Corlys betrothed Laena to the son of the Sealord of Bravos to get money to support his war in the Stepstones.

In canon the timeline was this:

Deamon is semi-exiled in 105 AC.
He joins Corlys in conquering the Stepstones in 106 AC, at some point in this year Corlys betroths Laena to the Sealord's son.
By 109 AC he has succeed, crowned himself King of the Narrow Sea.
In 111 AC the Triarchy allies with Dorne to drive him out.
Deamon continues to fight them until he abandons the Stepstones in 115 AC when Rhea dies, at that point he marries Laena.

So, Laena might already be betrothed. Rhaenys is not going to be happy about that. I think we try to leverage this into Laena and Laenor joining us on the royal progress. It allows us to show off our dragons, and become closer to both Laenor and Laena. We can find out if a marriage with Laenor will work or not. Perhaps Laena can find a potential husband that can replace Corlys' loan from the Sealord (a Lannister would be the obvious option, but a Manderly or a Redwyne might work too).

Maybe we end up being the one to free Laena from her betrothal instead of Daemon. Lot's of different ways this could play out.

I don't think we ought to be as worried about canon, I do think Daemon is likely to be the most dangerous to us, as he feels we robbed him of his position as heir. Try to become close to Laena and Laenor. Even if the Velaryon and Targaryens do not marry this generation, perhaps we can make it work next generation. If we are close friends I think we can make it work out.

One of the things we should make clear to Rhaenys (and thus to Corlys) is that we agree that holding the Stepstones is strategically important to the realm. So we support his efforts there. When we visit Storm's End, most likely the Venstar of Tarth will be there, can we encourage him to support Corlys? Maybe we should visit the Arbor while in the Reach, see if they can be persuaded to support taking the Stepstones (it does benefit them to gain a more secure passage from the west coast to the east).

We make it clear that whatever the conflict between Corlys and Viserys, we still see them as family, and they can fully expect the Velaryon House to flourish under Rhaenyra. Will Rhaenys/Corlys really agree to marry Laena to Daemon and support his claim over ours? That seems like a very risky move for either Corlys or Rhaenys to take. Better to let Daemon have his little independent Kingdom of the Narrow Sea, suggest to him that he marry a Lysene wife to divide the Triarchy. The future is not bound by canon anymore.

I just hope we don't end up alienating him due to us becoming the reason his daughter can't marry a politically beneficial match, or any match, since she became our paramour.

Look, medieval people do not acquaint women who are close with being lovers. Heck, we didn't do that thirty years ago, it's an incredibly modern thing. The only way that happens is if you live together and both refuse to marry (like Jeyne Arryn) and even then it didn't have a lot of effect (lesbians have never been as discriminated against as gay men are). No one will look twice at Alicent and Rhaenyra until they in their mid twenties at the earliest.

Alicent being close friends with the Crown Princess is a plus to her marriage prospects, not a negative.

We did some sort of training for 2 out of 3 turns and we spoke twice to Otto already. I don't think talking to him again is a priority.

Probably should do some Syrax training next turn.

We only have two actions. Right now we need to focus on our swordsmanship skills first so we can achieve our first impossible goal of becoming a Knight. We also need to study a bunch of different things (like Aenys death). We shouldn't forget about Syrax training, but we can put that off for a while, unless we plan to get involved in combat in the Stepstones, which we shouldn't be. We will do a lot of dragon flight during our tour. We can do dragon training once we are married and need some stress relief. I don't disagree that we should beomce better at dragon riding, but there is a proper order to things.

On the other hand since Corlys is at stepstones, if we had to invite Laenor and Laena to the tour it means we will have to deal with Rhaenys instead of him?

Definitely. Probably not next turn, but by the turn following we need to see if we can visit Rhaenys at Driftmark and start healing this breach in the family.

That is why I think that we should be fine with training once or twice per year... With so few actions per turn, the ones we take should have a pretty massive effect...

No way. Every other turn at least. It's why we should not focus on Dragon training right now. Not to say we never do it, but that's the skill we don't need right now.

Though do think we should start talking with other Small Council members. Like Strong or Beesbury. Though talking with Viserys and Otto next turn also has benefits. Then there is Tarly. Should really get him on our side because the Lord Commander of the Kingsguard might get bias now.

That's a point. Talking to them would also help set up a royal progress.

Rough ideas for the following turns:

Next turn:
[] Speak with Viserys
[] Speak with Lord Lyonel Strong
[] Study Valyrian History with your Father.
[] Investigate the Death of King Aenys


We float the initial idea of a royal progress, it tends to flow naturally with investigating the Death of Aenys (Aegon the Uncrowned was on a royal progress at the time) and studying Valyrian history, it makes for a nice transition to recent Targaryen history, in which Jaehaerys went on a royal progress.

Following turn:
[] Speak with Tyland Lannister
[] Speak with Lord Lyman Beesbury
[] Train
[] Fly to Driftmark to reconcile with the Velaryons. Invite Laena and Laenor to join you on the royal progress.


Turn after that:
[] Speak with Alicent
[] Speak with Grand Maester Mellos
[] Study Diplomacy and Etiquette
[] Study Houses of Westeros


Then we leave on the royal progress.

Something like that anyways.

Also spending time with Tarly is good not just for the sake of our own training, but also because now that the queen is of the same house as the lord commander, it may behoove us to have our own man in the Kingsguard checking for us if some funny business may be going on there. Remember how much trouble Cole caused in canon from his position in the Kingsguad? Harold Westerling would probably be able to do no less if the queen could convince him to.

Harold Westerling is Lord Commander now, and he dies before the canon Dance.

I may be too late, but I would like to emphasize that we need to commit an action per turn unless it is *urgent* on training. We picked a warrior build and we need to do the work necessary to become the best of the best and take full advantage of it. Rhaenyra is no shrinking violet, but an aspiring knight of the Seven Kingdoms.

Interpersonally, meeting with Alicent is of course top priority, but honestly I don't care very much about our relationship with Viserys as long as it is amicable.

If we had three actions a turn I'd agree, but with only two I don't see how we can do better than every other turn.
the main reason most of the thread seems to value our contacts with her so much is because a lot of people want her specifically as our romantic partner even though such a match seems likely to cause us a lot of difficulty for little gain.

Yeah, the show created this dynamic that has everyone pairing them together. I'm willing to wait and see where things go, but I'm not married to a relationship with Alicent. I wouldn't mind us falling for Borros if it works out that way. Or even Tyland.

Also, IMO we should really push for Stepstones involvement of some kind in one or two turns.

No, that's foolish. Viserys is not going to let us fight in the Stepstonea, and Daemon would start getting ideas about arranging an accident.

The problem with that is that Dorne is itself a contender for the Stepstones. The distinctly weakest of them, yes, but in canon, after Daemon and the Triarchy had bashed in each other's heads, and then the Triarchy bashed in their own heads, Dorne ended up in control of the Stepstones for a while, with the Princess of Dorne's Lysene husband being named "Lord of the Stepstones".

And Driftmark is highly dependent on naval trade lanes, of course.

Which is why you marry them to create an alliance. Marriage between potential rivals is common. That's a plus, not a negative.

I'm not sure we'll have the time to get the necessary training, spend time in the Stepstones and still go on the Royal progress by sixteen though.

The Stepstone War rages on for years. Let's get our ducks in order. Have a royal tour, spruce up our combat skills for that. Then once we are back from the tour, we get married, train our dragon, and then once Corlys and Daemon are exhausted with all the fighting, we can ride to the rescue.
 
I'm not sure we'll have the time to get the necessary training, spend time in the Stepstones and still go on the Royal progress by sixteen though.
I dont see it as us being a one man army, more an auxiliary dragon rider like Laenor was in the show, which, combined with a force sent to "help" Daemon by Viserys, would mean the war isn't purely a Corlys-Daemon venture, but rather one supported by the Crown.
(Would also let us know Leanor better tbh)

Doing the royal tour in a year or two (16/17) would be fine IMO, since the canon reason for the quick betrothal of canon doesn't not exist here, and we can sell the tour itself as partly being about searching for a husband (which it is).
 
I dont see it as us being a one man army, more an auxiliary dragon rider like Laenor was in the show, which, combined with a force sent to "help" Daemon by Viserys, would mean the war isn't purely a Corlys-Daemon venture, but rather one supported by the Crown.
(Would also let us know Leanor better tbh)

Doing the royal tour in a year or two (16/17) would be fine IMO, since the canon reason for the quick betrothal of canon doesn't not exist here, and we can sell the tour itself as partly being about searching for a husband (which it is).
Thing is we have four turns until we turn sixteen. Assuming we go on the progress once we turn sixteen we'll probably want to spend a turn, maybe two preparing for it. Meanwhile if we're going to a war like the Stepstones we have to spend some turns training both in combat and dragon riding given how green we are. Between training and preparations for the progress that doesn't leave us much time to be on the Stepstones themselves before we start the progress.
 
Why go with Rhanicent when you can instead have Miseryrhaene though? :p

Rhaneofmisery is also an acceptable alternative.
because not everyone wants daemons sloppy seconds :whistle:
No way. Every other turn at least. It's why we should not focus on Dragon training right now. Not to say we never do it, but that's the skill we don't need right now.
the QM hinted that training with syrax would have other beneficial effects and that just like mundane arms training it would take a while to show its effect
 
because not everyone wants daemons sloppy seconds :whistle:

the QM hinted that training with syrax would have other beneficial effects and that just like mundane arms training it would take a while to show its effect
We should show our soulbound flying fire-breathing frog friend some love at least once per year.
 
We only have two actions. Right now we need to focus on our swordsmanship skills first so we can achieve our first impossible goal of becoming a Knight. We also need to study a bunch of different things (like Aenys death). We shouldn't forget about Syrax training, but we can put that off for a while, unless we plan to get involved in combat in the Stepstones, which we shouldn't be. We will do a lot of dragon flight during our tour. We can do dragon training once we are married and need some stress relief. I don't disagree that we should beomce better at dragon riding, but there is a proper order to things.
I'd like to do at least one Syrax action per year and doing so on turn 5 would be exactly one year after the last one we did.
 
[X] Plan Good First Impressions

Good job everyone, we showed that they underestimated our pull on the decision-making of our father. Otto is less likely to count us out when it comes to counseling the king
 
Rule 2: Don’t Be Hateful - Joking about not saying a slur is still against the rules.
I dont see it as us being a one man army, more an auxiliary dragon rider like Laenor was in the show, which, combined with a force sent to "help" Daemon by Viserys, would mean the war isn't purely a Corlys-Daemon venture, but rather one supported by the Crown.
(Would also let us know Leanor better tbh)

Doing the royal tour in a year or two (16/17) would be fine IMO, since the canon reason for the quick betrothal of canon doesn't not exist here, and we can sell the tour itself as partly being about searching for a husband (which it is).
I'm already looking forward to the scene with Rhaenyra asking Viserys to go to the Stepstones.

"Laenor's dad let's HIM fly his dragon into battle to burn hundreds of men to death!"

"For the last time I don't care what Corlys lets his son do! Corlys is a ni-" *coughs in leprosy* "-ce enough father, but I won't allow my own child to go gallivanting over pirate infested isles!"

"Gah, you never let me do anything!"
 
[X] Plan Good First Impressions

Good job everyone, we showed that they underestimated our pull on the decision-making of our father. Otto is less likely to count us out when it comes to counseling the king
How long til our peers at court start using their speech actions to approach *us*?

(Not that PC-NPC transparency is at all a thing here.)
 
@Teen Spirit If you don't mind me asking, what would have been Alicent's reaction in the second turn if we had gone straight up for the throat and tell her [] "I wanted to impress you." when he asked why we fought...
 
@Teen Spirit If you don't mind me asking, what would have been Alicent's reaction in the second turn if we had gone straight up for the throat and tell her [] "I wanted to impress you." when he asked why we fought...
I've mentioned it before but basically she would be embrassed and run off. No reputation loss or gain but it would hang over any following conversations.
 
[X] Plan Good First Impressions

Eh, I'm willing to throw one turn at trying to get the stepmom on side. Having half our options locked into training forever so we can actually reach #fullpotentialRhaenyra is rough, hopefully we switch to longer turns with more actions or something at some point.
Now that Viserys has chosen the Westerling match I don't think Otto has much of a dog in the succession one way or another.
I mean, he's still very anti Daemon and corlys, so he might throw support behind us just to keep them from getting any ideas about usurping us when Viserys dies.
 
Been reading up on this Joana Westling, and as a wiki-only reader she really doesn't seem that bad. Her husband died and her incredibly young son wasn't equipped to deal with the very real threat of the ironborn outside the walls. Jeanine Westside didn't try to usurp anything and while her actions were a bit cruel, she did it to the ironborn of all people. The reavers that were burning and pillaging the Westerlands to the ground.

It also mentions that she fought in men's armor which means she probably doesn't have nearly as much beef with Rhaenyra as most non-dornish women would. Even though her brother is a douche.

She even proceeded to send money to Kingslanding for the repairs, a classy move. All in all I'm not feeling overly scared of Jodie Whestaker being some supreme boogeywoman, deadset on taking our head, like some more paranoid people seem to be suggesting.

I mean she's not Dornish but she's not the worst I guess.
 
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