Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Whamps are closer to Kuei-Jin than to regular Cainites though.

They are people with an inborn demon, not too dissimilar to an Awakened Po?

Whatever. So far we have never used Humanity or Paths for any Vampires (White, Black or Red), not even Virtues, only for the Wan Kuei, because it is so damn mechanically important to them. So whatever changes come to Lara will likely remain narrative, as she doesn't have a Path or Enlightenment score that matters.
 
Like I said, different species of vampires work differently.
I dont think the Jade Court elder in this setting is under any misapprehension about the purpose of what they are doing; even kuejin require years of tutelage and practice to raise their Dharma.

Whamps and kuejin are fundamentally different types of being, and I dont expect a couple weeks in Tokyo would result in life-changing realizations for a Whampire, or the supernatural changes that happened to kuejin.
Even if it was at all possible in the first place.

Saulot did the whole studying with a kuejin arhat thing in World of Darkness, too.
Didnt result in enlightenment there either; he just learned a kueijin Discipline.
And Kindred are a lot more similar to kueijin than White Court vampires are.
Saulot didn't he come up with Golconda after his trip to the east. You know the closest thing to Enlightenment that the Kindred are capable of having. To the point where they can both enjoy mortal food and possibly even walk in sunlight if they get far enough on it. But anyway I wasn't talking about actually using the Dharma of the Jade vampires. I very explicitly said I don't know if that's a thing that could even possibly happen I meant enlightened in the way it's been used in most contexts being taught things. She's being enlightened such that she's learning about how the Jade vampires develop I don't know if anything further will come out of that. Whether or not they are wholly separate beings doesn't matter if you read any of the world the darkness books while they all claim they are the source or the greatest or the whatever about the world they all take and learn and steal from each other all the time.
 
[X] Sophia tries to perform Break the Bonds on them

We're the good guys here so let's do good. Does anyone have a better version of this action? Or are we just sticking with regular voting this time?
 
Whamps are closer to Kuei-Jin than to regular Cainites though.
They are people with an inborn demon, not too dissimilar to an Awakened Po?

Whatever. So far we have never used Humanity or Paths for any Vampires (White, Black or Red), not even Virtues, only for the Wan Kuei, because it is so damn mechanically important to them. So whatever changes come to Lara will likely remain narrative, as she doesn't have a Path or Enlightenment score that matters.
Kuejin are undead inhabiting a dead body. Much like Cainites. Or Black Court vampires.
Whampires are living beings who have never died.
The only real resemblance between Whampires and kuejin IMO is that some kuejin can, with difficulty, have biological children.
 
A master alchemist can make anything that exists in nature even if it is rare so like ultra-heavy artificial elements? Sure. Anti-matter, only if you can somehow get him to interact magically with one of those very short lived anti-hydrogen atoms. Making elements that flat out cannot exist in nature? That is beyond the scope of mortal magic.
You are making me hyper-excited about magitech. Why? Because this means that we'll be skipping nuclear fusion entirely and going straight to quark reactors:
Wiki: quark matter
Quark matter
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Main articles: Continent of stability and QCD matter
It has also been posited that in the region beyond A > 300, an entire "continent of stability" consisting of a hypothetical phase of stable quark matter, comprising freely flowing up and down quarks rather than quarks bound into protons and neutrons, may exist. Such a form of matter is theorized to be a ground state of baryonic matter with a greater binding energy per baryon than nuclear matter, favoring the decay of nuclear matter beyond this mass threshold into quark matter. If this state of matter exists, it could possibly be synthesized in the same fusion reactions leading to normal superheavy nuclei, and would be stabilized against fission as a consequence of its stronger binding that is enough to overcome Coulomb repulsion.[101]

Calculations published in 2020[102] suggest stability of up-down quark matter (udQM) nuggets against conventional nuclei beyond A ~ 266, and also show that udQM nuggets become supercritical earlier (Zcr​ ~ 163, A ~ 609) than conventional nuclei (Zcr​ ~ 177, A ~ 480).
Continent of stability
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If these quark matter nuclides exist, they would be stable against fission, as fission would increase the surface. The quark matter nuclide could absorb neutrons resulting in an increase in its mass.[1]
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The boundary to the continent of stability is determined by the situations where the Coulomb energy due to electric charge overcomes the binding energy, or where decay into atomic nuclei results in lower energy. The lowest energy mass number is proportional to the cube of the charge (atomic number). However, a range of charges is stable for each mass, and the range increases as the mass increases. This can result in very heavy nuclides with atomic numbers the same as existing known elements, and even zero-charge pieces of quark matter.[1]
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Electron-positron pairs will form in the high charge field via the Schwinger mechanism when the electric charge of udQM is larger than 163, at which the baryon number is 609.[5] The smallest stable udQM against neutron emission would be at baryon number 39.[5]
This should be useful for energy generation (though I'll have to work more regoroulsy how, but the basic idea would be to feed it normal matter and harvest radiation from electron-positron annihilation, or directly electrons and positrons), and also that hollywood "forged from a core of a neutron star" gimmick? Yeah, it might actually be possible, if this exists. And if we can synthesize it alchemically, we also get nuclear shielding (it eats neutrons to grow more of itself).
1) Harry didnt finish formal high school.
He has a GED.


2) He doesnt have the time or frankly the inclination to go back to university.
There's been a major war ongoing for the last five years, and he's an officer in the wizard army. Nor is he willing to leave Chicago either.

Part of the reason for the Internet hookup is to give him easier access to information and education.
And what he doesnt have the time to read, Bob does.


3) We have SUTRAs hooked up to the Internet.
It goes without saying that they are hoovering up, among other things, educational curricula and publications by the petabyte for whenever Molly or her clones goes back to Sanctuary.

Thats one of the reasons I made sure all her clones could go back to Sanctuary on their own; everytime they do so, they can take a packet of information with them.
1-2) That's a good point. Get him some tutors? You can get very efficient in one-on-one studies. He's a young powerful wizard (something, which Courts don't have) open to be educated and to benefit from said education, I think.

3) As someone in higher education, specifically in physics higher education (nuclear fusion to be very specific), a lot of stuff is either not present on the internet, or very hard to parse. SUTRAs would probably have some advantage, but since the courts aren't post-SIngulatirity, there have to be limitations. You can learn by yourself using textbooks, but it's vastly less efficient that in-person education. Especially in 2006.
Physics courses have built-in sorcery concepts in the Five Courts because that is part of physics so they are quite divergent.
So, yeah, definitely get some human-presenting physics professors from the Courts (right after their age-related Turn of the Wheel) to enroll in MIT and such to study Earth physics, and possibly recruit some Earth physicists. They'll need bodyguards, but that's definitely worth it.
 
[X] Sophia tries to perform Break the Bonds on them

We're a break the chains and free the slaves sort of person.
 
I am saying that unless we outright tell them, they have no reasonable way of knowing that the White Court got a heads up from Molly, as opposed to White Court contacts in other parts of the US government or the supernatural.
I think the timing is funny, but that is harder to prove. Unless of course they have their own tricks for finding information we haven't seen yet.

That aside, I'm pretty confident that Lara is going to both target the blamps and take advantage of the situation to gain influence. Enlightened self interest is still self interest.
 
I dont think the Jade Court elder in this setting is under any misapprehension about the purpose of what they are doing; even kuejin require years of tutelage and practice to raise their Dharma.

Years of study or practice is one way Wan Kuei can raise their enlightenment. As is a single moment of insight.

Both can lead to dên. The later is more likely to, which is why Wan Kuei disciples have to go out and experience the world, not just sitting in an academy meditating and learning.

The Yang orientated Thrashing Dragons, the Dharma who taught Lara, are particularly likely to find enlightenment through action rathe than contemplation.
 
Saulot didn't he come up with Golconda after his trip to the east. You know the closest thing to Enlightenment that the Kindred are capable of having. To the point where they can both enjoy mortal food and possibly even walk in sunlight if they get far enough on it. But anyway I wasn't talking about actually using the Dharma of the Jade vampires. I very explicitly said I don't know if that's a thing that could even possibly happen I meant enlightened in the way it's been used in most contexts being taught things. She's being enlightened such that she's learning about how the Jade vampires develop I don't know if anything further will come out of that. Whether or not they are wholly separate beings doesn't matter if you read any of the world the darkness books while they all claim they are the source or the greatest or the whatever about the world they all take and learn and steal from each other all the time.
Saulot claimed a lot of things. Without corroboration.
The only thing we know is that he did invent the Salubri after his sojourn in the East.

Lara isnt learning, she's being tested.
Noone is teaching her anything, at least according to her interlude; she was just being required to survive under conditions set by the Jade Court elder in question. That might result in realizations on her part, but it isnt really designed to teach.

1-2) That's a good point. Get him some tutors? You can get very efficient in one-on-one studies. He's a young powerful wizard (something, which Courts don't have) open to be educated and to benefit from said education, I think.

3) As someone in higher education, specifically in physics higher education (nuclear fusion to be very specific), a lot of stuff is either not present on the internet, or very hard to parse. SUTRAs would probably have some advantage, but since the courts aren't post-SIngulatirity, there have to be limitations. You can learn by yourself using textbooks, but it's vastly less efficient that in-person education. Especially in 2006.
1) He has two full-time jobs(Warden and PI) and one part-time one as Molly's sometime wingman; he doesnt have the time.
Not everyone gets to spawn clones like Molly.
Until/unless he evinces any interest, its a waste of time and effort.

And frankly that is intrusive; he's an adult NPC with his own life.


2) Textbooks. Journals and academic papers. People publish regularly; thats how researchers share information.

As for hard to parse, we have a literal world population in the billions, with a larger aggregate research population than Earth, because less of our population is spending their time on survival.
Furthermore, we are broadly decades in advance of Earth technology. Parsing any information really isnt an issue.

Sending individual people to study a university course is frankly a lot less effective than hoovering up open-source information and simply funnelling that back to Sanctuary.

At worst, we send stealthed drones with cyberdevils to sit in on university lectures and conferences and make recordings.
UChicago may not be MIT but its still a Tier 1 University, ranked #12 in the US out of 400+ institutions.
And its essentially next door.

This really isnt an issue.
 
"Now we climb," Dad answers, but Harry says what might be the most worrying words a wizard can say.

"I want to try something..."

Something that might require me to catch you? you want to tease him but don't. It's fun watching Harry do magic.

Swirling his staff through the air above his head he calls in time with the motion: "Ascendere Fieri!"

The first thing you notice is a ripple in the air right above his head then a tugging at his arms arms and back that grows stronger in time with tighter and tighter circles until, about six seconds after the start his feet leave the ground.

"Oh..." Sophia claps. "It's like a hot a air balloon only with an envelope of force instead of string and canvas."

"How are you planning to steer it?" You call up, rising in turn, though not too fast.

For a moment you think that horizontal movement is not a solved problem yet, but then he takes one hand off the staff and waves a second spell into the first: "Vento Servitas."
Okay, that was awesome. Harry always wanted to fly. And managing it even in such a limited way at first is still a great achievement.
 
1) He has two full-time jobs(Warden and PI) and one part-time one as Molly's sometime wingman; he doesnt have the time.
Not everyone gets to spawn clones like Molly.
Until/unless he evinces any interest, its a waste of time and effort.

And frankly that is intrusive; he's an adult NPC with his own life.


2) Textbooks. Journals and academic papers. People publish regularly; thats how researchers share information.

As for hard to parse, we have a literal world population in the billions, with a larger aggregate research population than Earth, because less of our population is spending their time on survival.
Furthermore, we are broadly decades in advance of Earth technology. Parsing any information really isnt an issue.

Sending individual people to study a university course is frankly a lot less effective than hoovering up open-source information and simply funnelling that back to Sanctuary.

At worst, we send stealthed drones with cyberdevils to sit in on university lectures and conferences and make recordings.
UChicago may not be MIT but its still a Tier 1 University, ranked #12 in the US out of 400+ institutions.
And its essentially next door.

This really isnt an issue.
1) We can make an offer. Harry is often unaware of resources he can call on. An offer is not intrusive.

2) Seriously, not how it works. Well, it can work like that, but it's vastly, vastly less efficient than actual on-site teaching. There's a reason why universities exist, and it's not just networking, far from it. Autodidacts are very rare at higher levels of education, almost virtually unheard of in modern age, and often end up in the realms of pseudoscience. It's vastly, vastly more efficient to send people to actually study.

Not to mention that this gives them necessary social backgrounds on Earth for us to start introducing Sanctuary tech in a legit way.
 
[X] Sophia tries to perform Break the Bonds on them

Once is an accident, twice is a pattern. Let's make us freeing Lasciel's slaves a tradition.

I dont expect a couple weeks in Tokyo would result in life-changing realizations for a Whampire
There's no reflexive warmth to it, that's it. You knew it was bullshit and she knew, you knew it was bullshit, but she still did it the mast time you spoke and one could hardly expect otherwise. A vampire of the White Court not trying to get under someone's guard socially would be like a cat not rubbing itself all over the furniture. And there's Lara sounding a lot more tiger than cat. Something for later.

You would think so, but this sounds pretty life-changing change in character to me. I'm not saying this is Enlightenment, but it looks like the ability to step out of the social self-defense mask that took centuries to form.

People became their masks if they play them for mere decades, not even talking about centuries. So someone her age suddenly gaining the self-awareness necessary to be able to see the mask for what it is, decide it's not actually useful in that specific instance and then just take it off is big.
 
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Couldn't Molly be on standby to nom nom any of the spirits that Sophia fails to unbind?
 
[X] Plan Trust but Verify
-[X] Using current scene as a focus, check who the spirits present in the scene are loyal to, barring magically enforced obedience
--[X] If they are genuinely loyal to Lasciel (or some other undisputable evil), consume them
---[X] Use the crown on them before consumption to find the locations of all beings currently bound by Lasciel
--[X] If they are not, Sophia tries to break their bonds

@uju32 or @DragonParadox some details on what Break the Bonds does would be appreciated. I inferred that it breaks the magical obedience, am I correct?
Vote closed. Every SGI with more 5 or more votes is getting a sheet.

Why yes I may be a bit mad why do you ask? :V
I just noticed - if you meant 5 or more, then Miraculous Remembrance of Life should be on the list, yet she is not. Unless you meant strict >5.
 
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We should also use the spirits themselves as a focus. I would suggest either the location, or the identities of all beings currently bound by Lasciel. Should I add this to the plan?
 
Added a crown question in the eventuality that the spirits are genuinely loyal to Lasciel. If they are not, we can ask later. I highly advise to ask something using spirits as the focus to those who are voting to consume them. This is the very definition of use them or lose them.
 
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