Sterbelicht - One Sacrifice At A Time Against The Galaxy (40K)
- Thread starter HeroCooky
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They're pretty damn tough already, not sure how much more we could make them. Especially with the new Doctrine stripping away the discount on Gravimetric. Though it did get upgraded to "Leaf on the Wind," in return from the Duchy thing, so that's something. If anything we might want to redo the Scorpios once we get the +1 acceleration, and also give them anti-voidship defenses since that'll protect them from the enemy torps a bit better.
I do have a few questions for @HeroCooky though.
1. Do we need to spend actions repairing 'light-moderate' damage as compared to 'light'? Or will either/both repair on their own over the turn? (Battlecolonies saving our asses again...)
2. What do our admirals think about going after Vlaus with light-moderate damage versus just light? By my count we still outnumber them over 2:1, I'm just not sure how much the damage degrades combat capabilities. '
3. How much void infrastructure is in Kaig? I didn't get the sense it was a big hub, but are we destroying anything significant?
4. Random other topic - I noticed the 12 new Augmentic-focused SAGs we raised during the last turn-vote aren't in our military forces yet (unless I missed them). Is there a default way to divvy them up between planets, are we going to have a vote on that? I had the idea of taking them from native Voxx wounded in the fighting, but I'm not sure if you wanted to abstract above that level.
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Your math is wrong, if we retreat they'll be taking upwards of 60% of losses so they'll likely have just 1 SBG worth of forces here
HeroCooky
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It isn't, I just forgot to put in the moratorium.
1. That is covered within a regular Turn and only really relevant in military campaigns with rapid-fire engagements.
2. They are optimistic.
3. A few mining stations and a waystation to refuel freighters.
4. I'm putting them in with the Turn Update.
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Ah yup, definitely had that flipped. Thanks. Starting to type after a late night and not finishing my coffee yet turns out to be a bad idea. I'm unsure about Fight! now.
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The 'leaf through the wind' line has always been the writing for Superior Gravimetic hasn't it? I threw both ships into a spreadsheet to see how the designs directly convert into the new doctrine. Scorpio is kinda new so it gets like +4 DP more to use after the Sup Grav Engine tax. Crux-S is pretty old and we've had big DP gains since, so keeping the hull the same its something like +17 DP more to play with, it gets tons of new toys even after making it full size/armour/accel/shields.
I definitely want to get through more research before doing the real redesign though. I mocked up what we could potentially do right now, I'll post them for anyone interested when the current vote discussion has died down.
Oh yeah, I saw voting was open but now its closed...
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So reconsidering after my flipped numbers blunder.
Retreat option: Lose 4 LC, 8 Frigate, 4 Destroyer with light damage throughout our fleet.
Fight option: Lose 1 HC, 7 LC, 16 Frigate, 9 Destroyer with light-medium damage throughout our fleet.
Difference in losses: 1 HC, 3 LC, 8 Frigate, 5 Destroyer extra losses and some medium damage to the fleet in exchange for one damaged (presumably) SBG and insignificant void infrastructure.
So if we take [] Retreat. the 3+ SBG in Kaig will take >60% losses and likely be reduced to 1 or 1+ SBG while we take next to no damage. Its not much more damage for us to wipe them out in Kaig, but Retreating lets us be in a stronger position to attack the 2+ SBG in Vlaus, hopefully win surprise, and wipe them out there or do heavy damage with minimal losses again. It is taking a guaranteed small-moderate gain for known small losses here in Kaig, versus possibly better odds for the rolls against the 2+ SBG Vlaus fleet.
I'm leaning [] Retreat now.
Retreat option: Lose 4 LC, 8 Frigate, 4 Destroyer with light damage throughout our fleet.
Fight option: Lose 1 HC, 7 LC, 16 Frigate, 9 Destroyer with light-medium damage throughout our fleet.
Difference in losses: 1 HC, 3 LC, 8 Frigate, 5 Destroyer extra losses and some medium damage to the fleet in exchange for one damaged (presumably) SBG and insignificant void infrastructure.
So if we take [] Retreat. the 3+ SBG in Kaig will take >60% losses and likely be reduced to 1 or 1+ SBG while we take next to no damage. Its not much more damage for us to wipe them out in Kaig, but Retreating lets us be in a stronger position to attack the 2+ SBG in Vlaus, hopefully win surprise, and wipe them out there or do heavy damage with minimal losses again. It is taking a guaranteed small-moderate gain for known small losses here in Kaig, versus possibly better odds for the rolls against the 2+ SBG Vlaus fleet.
I'm leaning [] Retreat now.
- Location
- colombia
This isn't a guaranteed loss - it's a guaranteed win. We're trading about a 1/4 of an SBG worth of ships for 1 SBG of ships. Given the 3 dice vs 2 thing that's definitely a ratio I will take.
Additionally, our admirals are confident of taking Vlaus even with these losses.
- Pronouns
- Zack
[X] Retreat.
- Pronouns
- Viewer
[X] Fight!
[X] Fight!
ConfusedCanuck
Where did it all go wrong?
- Location
- Neverland
[X] Fight!
That's why taking Eschich was so strategically valuable to us. Better that we get them to split their forces like this than concentrate all their stuff in one area.
Though after this, I say we'll need to focus on licking our wounds and rebuilding.
Though I will say, I'm not so sure about our new doctrine with the discounts it took away. I kinda wanna change it again b/c while our new doctrine is ok, it isn't really anything special. Whereas these 2 doctrines here would have allowed us to make some really nice ships, albeit they'd be more specialized:
Crusader would let us have a Hilarious amount of Guns (could even put 6x100 Torpedoes on a Destroyer for Max Lulziness) at the cost of flexibility and an Equipment tax, but Carrier Battle Fleet would be good mostly for Heavy Cruisers+ with a focus on being pretty high-tech with a focus on Lances and Rotary/Plasma Macrocannons while still allowing our smaller vessels to unleash swarms of missiles and Torpedoes, and could also make it cheaper to make our ships bigger.
More accurately, they roll 3 and take the best 2
[X] Retreat
Both choices are a guaranteed win, theres just different size of lost ships and tradeoffs with each. I'm thinking about it like gambling or risk in decision making. It is a good trade, we know we take much less damage than they do and there is no risk where we might get screwed by a bad roll in Kaig. However, I think it might increase the chances of a bad roll in Vlaus, although we should win anyway and we have reinforcements coming online next Turn. I don't agree 'optimistic' is the same thing as 'confident'. I'm ok with either choice winning really but I think Retreat has less risk.
You're going to make me stare wistfully at my Crusader Fleet spreedsheet again. I agree but I'm skeptical QM is going to let us switch Doctrines around that easily after we got the free action.
- Location
- United States of America, Michigan
Do we need to worry about the Duchy reverse engineering any wrecks we leave behind? Like I don't think we have anything too special to worry about the Duchy taking and using for their ships but just wondering.
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- Zack
I don't think it's worth fighting, it's better to retreat and attack the fleet in Vluas.
- Pronouns
- They/Them
[X] Retreat