[x] Yog
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
- Thread starter DragonParadox
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If you want to know what the morals of a sixth century British warlord would be you could do worse than looking at Lydia, she masks it reasonably well most of the time, but she is more than a bit out of step with the modern world.
- Location
- Canada
[X] Offer to strengthen the door that leads to the prison of the three and onto Arthur's return from Avalon
Molly has a disease, I swear, she can't help but think of the most drama-worthy option and try to go for it. I'd call them delusions of grandeur but they have very much proved to not be delusions at all.
Molly has a disease, I swear, she can't help but think of the most drama-worthy option and try to go for it. I'd call them delusions of grandeur but they have very much proved to not be delusions at all.
Ivar
Dark Reaper
- Location
- Russia Moscow
So she is just typical Exalted PC?
No. We have previously asked for and received plans. The Crown is perfectly capable of mind reading. If they have intentions / plans, we can get them. It doesn't change that they can change those plans later.
As to the prisoners - the biggest two questions are "are they willing to adapt?" (how rigid are they in their morals, are they willing to accept that the customs have changed, stuff like that) and "how much do they want to rule?"
If they are as reasonable as Lydia, I see no issue with releasing them.
The ideal solution for me would be to release them, but to have them accept that their loot remains under guard, and Arthur's resurrection needs to be delayed until they acclimated to the world at least. If it comes to that, we can make a resurrection splendor ourselves.
- Location
- Germany
Iku is dead for good now, which is much better than being sealed anymore.
I'd release every single sealed evil in this world, to give it a shot at doing better or dying by our blade.
Nah, she almost never chooses the fun option.
She's the worst Exalted this age has seen so far, or rather not seen, because she hasn't even become a visible power among mortals yet.
I mean she did end up in the depths hell with a fey-crafted biological weapon after setting off to Boston to check out college. I'd say she sometimes chooses the fun option.
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- Germany
Okay, maybe sometimes.I mean she did end up in the depths hell with a fey-crafted biological weapon after setting off to Boston to check out college. I'd say she sometimes chooses the fun option.
But that was again an option that was completely in the "magical world".
Her refusal, our refusal, to shatter the masquerade and upset the setting remains.
I'd rather have Arthur in charge than Gordon Brown, or Lizzy II..
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
Yes we are trying to avoid complete chaos without a plan of action since we don't want to see a shitload of people killed. That isn't a bad thing. There's a reason why Nemesis, the Outsider who wants to destroy reality, is trying to break it on his terms.
That would track if he's one at all; the question is if he's wood, water, or earth in descending order of probability. I'm highlighting those because their skill sets match his alleged abilities best and fit his interactions with the fey better.
Really wood and water are the best bets. He wasn't crafting focused enough for earth, scholarly enough for air, or impulsive enough for fire.
Lydia never conquered a kingdom for herself or set out to otherwise set herself up with power over mortals. Similar cultural context doesn't necessarily make for similar motives. Just go read some of those welsh triads, these guys all got up to some stuff:
Good night guys, see you tomorrow with... well it depends on how deep you want to go down the rabbit hole.
Given the jurisprudence of the time considered stuff like drawing and quartering people, crucifixion and the like to be appropriate punishments?
Thats really not a good thing.
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When the skinwalkers chased us to the Raith estate, we used the Crown to ask and it went Null.
Because plans that do not exist, or which are in flux, are covered by Free Will.
You will similarly get nothing here, because they dont have sufficient information to have plans.
Again, these are Free Will questions.
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Make no mistake, we would die. And we would not die alone; megadeaths would accompany us.
The only reason the death of Iku-Turso happened so bloodlessly was because he really wasnt aware he was at risk of final death, and his purported ally screwed him.
There's a reason the first Merlin built Demonreach as supernatural supermax instead of using Amoracchius, which he was allegedly guardian of for an indeterminate period of time.
She's the ONLY Exalt this age has seen so far.
And the claim that she isnt a visible power among mortals isnt actually true.
Not that most Exalts in Ex2E made it to absolute tyrant of an Age of Glory-scale nationstate in 9 months.
If I was a Brit? I would much rather have Gordon Brown or Lizzy II.
Excitement in a supreme supernatural tyrant is almost never a good thing for the peasantry; an expansionist 6th century warlord with territorial ambitions is very much nuclear exchange territory.
[X] Why should the doors stay closed when there is so much wrong in the world, why should heroes sleep until the end of days? Offer to walk to the gate and break it with brass that all will be free to range as they will
-[X] Empathy excellency
-[X] Stunt: Upon your brow, the marking of your crown manifests, as you stand straighter, the regal bearing not of a princess still seeking her kingdom, but an Empress who found hers: "You say that you fuard them until the turning of the world? Then hear me, o faithful guardians, and know my words to be true : The Wheel Turns. Your duty is coming to an end. So let us enter the prison you guard, so the world can get four more heroes ensuring that the next Age will not be one of Ruin"
-[X] Empathy excellency
-[X] Stunt: Upon your brow, the marking of your crown manifests, as you stand straighter, the regal bearing not of a princess still seeking her kingdom, but an Empress who found hers: "You say that you fuard them until the turning of the world? Then hear me, o faithful guardians, and know my words to be true : The Wheel Turns. Your duty is coming to an end. So let us enter the prison you guard, so the world can get four more heroes ensuring that the next Age will not be one of Ruin"
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Reasonable?
They are the sort of people who thought it was a good idea to invade the Celtic underworld and attempt to steal the Celtic death god's Cauldron of Rebirth to resurrect someone who had already died naturally.
Nowadays the White Council would call them necromancers in contravention of the Fifth Law and shoot them.
There is nothing in their history that we are told that makes them sound like reasonable people.
We are very much looking at Greek hero style people here.
Great story characters. Terrible neighbors.
Worst? Really?
Being know isn't exactly the measure of success, but we are known to the powers that be for the record. We have a significant amount of influence and have made some noteworthy moves to change the board. We haven't knocked it all over because that's not an effective way to achieve our goals, and the systemic stuff doesn't get in your face as quickly.
We're moving into a stage of the game with a lot more impactful actions as a result of our setup too. Because we've been precise we've established good relationships with major players and can move them to our ends. Shift the course of the vampire war, expand mortal governance of the supernatural into something actually substantial, grow the paranet, arm the defenders of reality with Bond villain grade super weapons, all kinds of stuff.
Las Vegas alone broke the back of the supernatural flesh trade in a major city, and probably cut its legs out from under it in the whole region to boot. That shit would have survived the death of the red court, whatever wars against the white you care to wage, and any practical law enforcement action absent our influence. Boston has global implications on both sides of the fence we're still feeling out. Even just showing our face in public around Chicago regularly was enough to uproot the Council's militarization program and move it to us, changing the course of a global war.
Do we only count as a good exalt if we clumsily throw our weight around and collapse society to the detriment of any nominal agenda we have?
And when we asked for Mab's plans, we got Mab's plans. Same in several other situations.
If one of our circlemates died, and we knew of a resurrection artefact, and couldn't craft one ourselves, we absolutely would storm the gates of hell for them. In fact, we have just recently stormed the gates of hell, and unleashed a weapon of mass destruction that is firmly in breach of "Thou Shalt Not Invade the Mind of Another" Law.
And, as I mentioned before, the "greek hero" is a load of sh*t attempt to devalue the good heroes did and do and their character.
frozenchicken
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One thing I think we need to consider is that if Arthur is indeed a highly successful Solar Exalt who ruled a kingdom, it means he is at minimum an Essence 5 social-focused Solar Exalt. I don't think everybody has grasped how easily such a person could turn the tables on us using words alone. A properly specced social exalt can make you believe the sky is green, jet fuel doesn't melt steel beams, and a group of people who were sealed away thousands of years ago for poorly explained crimes are trustworthy and should be let out to do as they please.
[X] Offer to strengthen the door that leads to the prison of the three and onto Arthur's return from Avalon
[X] Just take with you what hounds had grown weary of their task
I'm not sure if Saint David was making a moral judgement on resurrection or just saying 'Man, this freaking pain in the ass really should just stay dead'. 😆
[X] Offer to strengthen the door that leads to the prison of the three and onto Arthur's return from Avalon
[X] Just take with you what hounds had grown weary of their task
- Location
- Canada
I doubt King Arthur was a Solar. He would've had a lot more success than he did, and certainly wouldn't have lost his kingdom to betrayal if he were an Essence 5 Social-specced Dawn/Zenith.
Maybe he was a Dragonblood, but I like to think he was just mortal, a normal dude (apart from all the many crazy Round Table stories) who did the best he could.
Maybe he was a Dragonblood, but I like to think he was just mortal, a normal dude (apart from all the many crazy Round Table stories) who did the best he could.
Mab actually had plans in motion though. These guys are in an afterlife prison, if they don't know what's going on they can't have a plan for it.
Neither of these are law breaches. Using a divine artifact or fey super weapon isn't mortal magic; the council might have practical issues with the fallout, but couldn't reasonably charge these guys or us as warlocks.
I don't think the point about what we would do matters though. The problem, in my mind at least, is not that they wanted to steal magical artifacts*. It's who they want to resurrect and how they're likely to act. A magical sixth century warlord and his demigod background dancers are a problem we'd have to solve. I don't really care about his brand recognition, that's what he is.
* Worth noting only one of the three things they wanted to steal is actually necessary for saving Arthur. Presumably the others are bonus weapons because they got greedy.
This is nonsense. You can argue that it doesn't apply to this character or that, but tell me Jason was a great guy with a straight face.
For a very long time hero meant powerful and entertaining, or good for whatever group was telling the story. Going to the neighboring tribe to steal all their stuff and kill anyone who resisted made you a hero and upstanding member of the community. What was important was that it was impressive and not harmful to the storyteller.
This isn't something made up for the purposes of the thread, it's a well established concept:
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A huge part of exalted was specifically this concept. Solars are classical heroes; glorious in their good and evil.
Arthur apparently wasn't dead though, I think. He was critically wounded and put to sleep. They needed the Cauldron to heal him, not to ressurect him.
I don't approve, but choosing to keep three heroes and a legendary prophesised saviour imprisoned in an afterlife is very on brand for a Yama Queen, so at least there's that.
I don't approve, but choosing to keep three heroes and a legendary prophesised saviour imprisoned in an afterlife is very on brand for a Yama Queen, so at least there's that.
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