Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

[X] No one, smug and mysterious is a good tactic when you just overturned the order of things, at least according to Tiffany
 
[X] Lilly, sure the Summer Court were doing this as a favor to you but you are sure they will appreciate

[X] The White Council... you're not sure who operates in Bangladesh, but they would probably use a heads up of what happened

[X] Library of Congress. They would probably want to know of the retaliation you carried out against MIkaboshi


The only ones I'm against telling are the Local Wu, if only because I don't want Molly even more tangled up with even more factions until she's got a better anchor/fortress/Manse in the material realm than the last station, especially if she wants to protect her various peoples and family.
 
[X] Lilly, sure the Summer Court were doing this as a favor to you but you are sure they will appreciate

[X] The White Council... you're not sure who operates in Bangladesh, but they would probably use a heads up of what happened

[X] Library of Congress. They would probably want to know of the retaliation you carried out against MIkaboshi
 
A bit much there. Learning that we attacked the Wicked City first isn't going to give the traitors a leg up on the White Council.
Depends on what leg up means in this context. I was thinking in the sense of an opportunity to mess with them. For example; reporting a mix of the truth and unfalsifiable lies that we aren't around to discredit so that the validation of the probably correct stuff biases people to believing whatever they're claiming. That and/or simply make claims about the motives behind our actions and secretiveness to stoke paranoia. The point being to harm relations with us as much as possible.

I wouldn't precisely blame them (that is the well meaning members hearing a biased account) either. If you don't know some of the key details a technically true report early on could found very concerning, and the rule about first impressions applies to information as much as it does people or organizations.


"Baby Yama Queen potentially ignorant of her base nature deploys fey biological WMDs against her closest equivalent in Yami Wan"

Isn't inherently a sign we were fighting the good fight as opposed to the normal wars between demon lords. Especially because we're looting so much from him. We don't get a vote on their impressions if we don't show up when they're made.
 
[X] No one, smug and mysterious is a good tactic when you just overturned the order of things, at least according to Tiffany
 
[X] Lilly, sure the Summer Court were doing this as a favor to you but you are sure they will appreciate

[X] The White Council... you're not sure who operates in Bangladesh, but they would probably use a heads up of what happened

[X] Library of Congress. They would probably want to know of the retaliation you carried out against MIkaboshi
 
[X] The White Council... you're not sure who operates in Bangladesh, but they would probably use a heads up of what happened
 
[X] The White Council... you're not sure who operates in Bangladesh, but they would probably use a heads up of what happened
[X] The Local Wu of the Jade Court. Nergui claims they are not the most welcoming, but they will respect power at least and he is willing to do this one last thing for you


This is our declaration of war moment. This is when we explain why we retaliated as we did.
 
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What we did will eventually become known to all interested, relevant parties. That's unavoidable. But by telling anyone about it now, we hasten the spread of that information unnecessarily. The longer it takes to become common knowledge, relatively speaking, the more time we have to get other shit done before having to deal with repercussions.
 
What we did will eventually become known to all interested, relevant parties. That's unavoidable. But by telling anyone about it now, we hasten the spread of that information unnecessarily. The longer it takes to become common knowledge, relatively speaking, the more time we have to get other shit done before having to deal with repercussions.
Offhand why do we care if it spreads? Mikaboshi 100% knows it was us who did this and if he doesn't now he will in a couple hours.
 
Final vote

[X] Lilly, sure the Summer Court were doing this as a favor to you but you are sure they will appreciate

[X] The White Council... you're not sure who operates in Bangladesh, but they would probably use a heads up of what happened
 
It happened that way because they were under time pressure and didn't have a firm angle till relatively late in the game. Going after him cold shouldn't go the same way, especially since we can help once he's validated the situation.
No, you are mis-remembering.

Dresden had the time to alert Blackstaff McCoy; McCoy and Ramirez had the time to search his quarters and find corroborating physical evidence, so it wasnt just Dresden's accusation. He had zero prior warning that they were coming after him; the trial was for Morgan, before Dresden pulled the Uno Reverse card and blindsided Peabody.

And the man still had an Outsider to deploy, even when taken by surprise.

This is different. I dont see much chance where Molly could get to see him/get into the Hidden Halls without twigging him that something is up. She's gotten enough of a reputation as a wrecking ball that any Nephandi-type who has to meet her will be in full paranoia mode. He wont just have a single mistwalker in a bottle.

[X] Library of Congress. They would probably want to know of the retaliation you carried out against MIkaboshi
The LoC has no business here, and no influence here.
This is where you remember the Archive's warning about not talking too much, even to your friends.


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[X] Lilly, sure the Summer Court were doing this as a favor to you but you are sure they will appreciate
[X] The Local Wu of the Jade Court. Nergui claims they are not the most welcoming, but they will respect power at least and he is willing to do this one last thing for you


RATIONALE
Lily knows we were going to Yomi Wan, and it was Summer who brewed the weapon; telling her we got out safely and that Summer's superweapon was safely deployed is just good manners.

The local Wu have their own reasons to keep Yama Kings out of their territory, so letting them know of a potential gate in Dacca seems like a good idea.
Its protects both them and the mortal civilians.

Harry will know who to tell in the White Council; we dont need to track down whoever the local WC representative is.
 
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No, you are mis-remembering.

Dresden had the time to alert Blackstaff McCoy; McCoy and Ramirez had the time to search his quarters and find corroborating physical evidence, so it wasnt just Dresden's accusation. He had zero prior warning that they were coming after him; the trial was for Morgan, before Dresden pulled the Uno Reverse card and blindsided Peabody.

And the man still had an Outsider to deploy, even when taken by surprise.

This is different. I dont see much chance where Molly could get to see him/get into the Hidden Halls without twigging him that something is up. She's gotten enough of a reputation as a wrecking ball that any Nephandi-type who has to meet her will be in full paranoia mode. He wont just have a single mistwalker in a bottle.
There is still a huge difference between a well-prepared Wizard and one who doesn't know what to expect.

Ebenezer being surprised that the spy had a deadly surprise in council is unfortunate.
Ebenezer setting out to kill a Nemesis-puppet would likely murder Peabody before he has any chance to act.
In sense of "blast his house and hit him with full force if he manages to stumble out of the ruins".
 
If we touch Peabody with "A Cold and Lonely World" and he releases a mistwalker or some other nasty there seems like a very good chance that the nasty attacks him. It certainly won't be obeying his orders.
 
[X] Lilly, sure the Summer Court were doing this as a favor to you but you are sure they will appreciate

[X] The White Council... you're not sure who operates in Bangladesh, but they would probably use a heads up of what happened
 
There is still a huge difference between a well-prepared Wizard and one who doesn't know what to expect.

Ebenezer being surprised that the spy had a deadly surprise in council is unfortunate.
Ebenezer setting out to kill a Nemesis-puppet would likely murder Peabody before he has any chance to act.
In sense of "blast his house and hit him with full force if he manages to stumble out of the ruins".
1) Yes. Giving the Nephandi wizard with decades knowledge and experience of the White Council anything resembling warning will result in a worse outcome than the 50 wizards who died in canon.


2) Ebenezar had more warning than Peabody did, and Peabody still managed to kill a ton of people and almost get away.
The dude is not senior council in power, but he is older than Captain-Commander Luccio IIRC, and knowledgeable as fuck; he was the person who wrote Die Lied du Erlking, the book that Dresden used to summon the Erlking in Dead Beat.

Critically, everybody in a senior position of power in the White Council has been subtly affected by Peabody since before the War began; the dude is confirmed to have been the Senior Council secretary back when Dresden was being tried for killing DuMorne when he was 16.

Old wizards are too set in their ways to be outright mind-controlled with magic, but they can still be influenced.
And we dont know how much the Senior Council were influenced over the years.
 
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[] No one, smug and mysterious is a good tactic when you just overturned the order of things, at least according to Tiffany

We are not done yet, in my opinion?
I want us to give an update after we have finished the aftermath of this.

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After further deliberation letting Summer Court know that we successfully exfiltrated from hell is probably a good idea.

[X] Lilly, sure the Summer Court were doing this as a favor to you but you are sure they will appreciate
 
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Do we know about Peabody, like by name?

Then give the name to Ebenezer and let him settle matters, as it is his job.

Fighting some mid-tier old wizard is neither fun, nor a challenge for Molly, and containing the intrigue-side of things is not her job, the Council can do that better themselves.
 
Do we know about Peabody, like by name?

Then give the name to Ebenezer and let him settle matters, as it is his job.

Fighting some mid-tier old wizard is neither fun, nor a challenge for Molly, and containing the intrigue-side of things is not her job, the Council can do that better themselves.
The problem has always been parallel construction and believability to hide the crown of eyes.
 
Do we know about Peabody, like by name?

Then give the name to Ebenezer and let him settle matters, as it is his job.

Fighting some mid-tier old wizard is neither fun, nor a challenge for Molly, and containing the intrigue-side of things is not her job, the Council can do that better themselves.
We know he is a traitor. We dont know how or why he is a traitor, or what he has done. What plots he has in motion.
Ebenezar is not in the know about Molly's Crown.

You mean like uprooting the moles in the Summer and Winter Court? This is exactly her job.
And given what we know OOC about how Peabody works, the Council is going to be uniquely bad at trying to investigate someone who has already mind-controlled most of the Council's military/police arm.

Dresden literally gave him the Big Book of Yomi Wan. That makes it our business, and our personal concern, because he is going to weaponize it, or give it to people who will weaponize it. Even if we didnt give a shit about wizard deaths, which we do care about, making it easier for baddies to appeoach Yama Kings is a Bad Thing.
 
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