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Something to keep in mind do we want to attempt exorcism of outsider infected council members? While not all traitors are outsider aligned we should keep in mind do we wanna slaughter them when we could exorcise them first?
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
- Thread starter DragonParadox
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fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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Whichever is more practical. We likely are not going to be doing the capturing ourselves. The WC is likely going to insist on doing as much of the work in house as possible just like every other faction we have cleared of outsider inflection.
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That feels like they'll easily escape also it would need to be done quickly as I'm fairly sure that dp has given nemesis suicide powers so we'd need to restrain them. He's given them the ability to remove most of themselves from a host after all so that we only exorcise minuscule parts.
fictionfan
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What is this speculation based on? Also in that case there isn't really anything that we can do to stop it. A bit like trying to kidnap our clones when they decide fight and die to stop it. However nemesis doesn't actually have quite that level of loyalty usually.
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What do you mean level of loyalty? Their outsider infected? The speculations that ways exist and infected aren't sane.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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Our gale charm clones would be perfectly loyal. Nemeses inflected aren't. In fact many of them don't even seem to realize just how much influence Nemeses has on them, but if Nemeses tells them to kill themself I think that we quickly find out exactly how loyal they in fact are. Nemeses is optimized for being hard to detect that includes not overly changing the personality and behaviors of those it inflects. If they were not inclined to kill themself for a cause before they are unlikely to be willing to do so now.
The things coming through are not Akuma, there are plenty of demons and fomori who do well in sunlight
Ivar
Dark Reaper
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- Russia Moscow
Well, I really hope we don't get stuck in India quests. But overall, things could have been much worse. At least this can probably be hidden.
[X] Some of you try to get the people to run while others fight at the gate until it closes
-[X] Nergui uses Authority to clear the area of mortal civilians, and then gets out of the direct sunlight: 1 Chi
-[X] Molly + Lydia + Lash (+/- the rescues) defend the Gate until it closes
[X] Some of you try to get the people to run while others fight at the gate until it closes
-[X] Nergui uses Authority to clear the area of mortal civilians, and then gets out of the direct sunlight: 1 Chi
-[X] Molly + Lydia + Lash (+/- the rescues) defend the Gate until it closes
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- washington
Feels weirdly au compared to what we've seen in canon but whatever.
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- Brazil
Considering the amount of damage he forced on that summer fay we were going to exorcise to commit against himself for the chance to infect Lily, I have doubts.
From my perspective, the people he infects act normal because it's harder for anyone who knows them to detect anything wrong, but if he decides he doesn't care about subtlety anymore, he can take full control of the hosts without a problem, as he does with the fairies in Avalon.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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- Tempe, AZ
Maeve acted Maeve like even after being outted.
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I don't see how that means they werent in control their infected not overwritten. Their priorities change to some degree but their not really acting so much as they are still them with nemesis added on. That isn't low control that's an infection.
I had it booked for the next month (February). No reason to delay.
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
In regards to the Peabody issue need I remind everyone who thinks that we should just leave it to the White Council to handle inhouse how that goes down in canon? IIRC a good portion of the senior council almost dies...
I really don't think it's something we can afford to leave them to address themselves after making the issue known.
Also @DragonParadox
I really don't think it's something we can afford to leave them to address themselves after making the issue known.
Also @DragonParadox
The combination of the Apocalyptic form and the Shintai. The gate looks magical certainly, but with only mundane senses it just looks like a corroded metal gate.
I mean do you think his little mordite clouds are going to save him if McCoy shows up in his house at night alone with his black staff? The only reason he does so much damage is because he's outed essentially at a council meeting but if we tell McCoy and he investigates him and find some guilty he's going to wait in his house and it's just going to be the Black Staff versus this random shit wizard with a trick and a trick that's going to fail because the black staff can disintegrate Outsiders.
We really shouldn't fall into the Trap of doing everything ourselves especially when we have allies that are significantly better for dealing with Wizards with prep time than we are. His wrongdoings are only covered up by his subtle mind control not by his actual skill at hiding them so if McCoy investigates either with Dresden or without he's going to get found out and then it's the black staff with prep time versus a random wizard I'm going to bet on McCoy in that situation.
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BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
Again this is not what happened in canon. It's possible but why do you think McCoy would approach the issue any differently than he did in canon when made aware of it?
In Cannon I think it's believed Peabody is just a traitor rather than a warlock having evidence of dealing with The Outsiders means he's immediately on an execution list. Also we do have a list of white Council Wizards that are compromised we just know Peabody because he was Canon named we can literally expose all of his collaborators at the same time so if he gets dragged in for a trial it'll be Peabody with no outside assistance versus the senior Council so not great that's if he gets brought in at all rather than McCoy bringing a satellite right down on his house when he finds out he's been mind controlling the senior Council and dealing with Outsiders.
IC? There's no reason.
OOC? Pacing. After a long, tense story arc like this one, we probably want a slower cooldown arc
And dealing with Peabody is NOT going to be a slower arc.
He's brainwashed most of the younger Wardens AND has hooks in the current Warden Captain-Commander .
Handling that whole affair is likely to be the focus of an entire story arc.
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Thats the problem.
Even when Dresden had Peabody dead to rights, he dropped an Outsider in the Hidden Halls, managed to cause the deaths of fifty wizards, almost killed the Senior Council, and almost escaped anyway.
Its not really something we can deputize without risk of major fuckup.
He isnt "just" a traitor.
In canon he brainwashed the Captain-Commander and used her to murder a Senior Council member. He brainwashed the vast majority of the junior Wardens. He had been using mind-magic on the Senior Council for YEARS. He dropped an Outsider in the middle of the Hidden Halls.
Just onscreen, he is demonstrated to have broken the First Law, the Third Law, the Fourth Law and the Seventh Law.
And thats not counting the information leaks and plots that have caused the deaths of hundreds of wizards, including Senior Council members Aleron LaFortier and Simon Petrovich.
He's on the execute with extreme prejudice list. Even though they'd like to interrogate him first anyway.
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Appending this to my vote:
[]STUNT: "Get the civies gone, Nergui" you bark, deflecting a claw before half-swording a Hound through the neck, ripping its essence apart even as Lydia's bolts takes another in the face. "And get into cover." As you speak, two miles above your head the world bends to your will, concentrating a shaft of sunlight around your location, and through the portal into depths of the Wicked City that had never before felt its touch. You grapple the suddenly limp weight of the Hound, as Lash detonates another flashbang in the face of the attackers, and then you hurl it like a missile through the Gate.
Sunlight often has an erosive effect on dark magic. I suspect that just beaming it into the depths of this Wicked City facility will have interesting effects, especially since the Wicked City is all Yin. And even those demons who can work in the sunlight will have the sun in their eyes, which means they will be half-blind.
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I agree pacing-wise, but we were able to handle fomori relatively quickly, so I don't think that's this big an issue. The othe selections would also make the month quick. I would rather deal with him as quickly as possible.
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
This isn't such a direct issue it's going to be very political for one. This may very well require more than one AP to properly handle with minimal casualties and the current arc came at the coattails of the Las Vegas/Summer Arc. If we decide to handle it next month it should be the last thing we do and after the crafting turn. Ideally we wouldn't decide to tackle anything else big for that month so we would have cooldown time after the last two arcs.
The one thing I think we need to do next month is finally look into the Well and establish control over Boston. Probably look into Daedalus at the same time since they seem to have jurisdiction over the city, probably since the Warlock incident that brought Odin over.
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From what I understand they don't really have authority over any specific city, since they are a federal agency, the reason they are here is because they were ordered to do so by their superiors (ignoring the Library's advice) and they also brought few agents so as not to alarm too much civilians and especially other human authorities who could raise confusion about the invasion of territory and for not being informed before an invasion operation takes place.
But I agree that we must both secure the Well and increase our control over Boston, that is to say, buy land and summon more of our spies and, under the leadership of those who have been here the longest, order them to do so. It could even be a joint action to establish our embassy in Vegas named "Securing Your Territories", thus spending only one AP since this is mostly going to be the efforts of our servants.
Disagree strongly. It really is.
Peabody has been at this at least since before Dresden was 16, which means longer than Molly has been alive. His operation is intimately entwined with the Black Council, the ongoing Vampire War(which means both the Red Court and the Fomor) and the Outsiders, which involves the Fae.
We know he killed one Senior Council member, and almost definitely was responsible for the death of another.
You can see his intelligence as responsible for the military catastrophes of Dead Beat, and letting the Red Court nobility escape the trap that caught them in Proven Guilty.
There's literally tens, if not hundreds of junior Wardens who have Peabody software pre-installed in their heads; I quote:
And it wasnt just them; he was in the heads of the administrative staff as well as that of Anastacia Luccio, current Captain-Commander of the Wardens, the White Council's military-cum-police.Turncoat c49 said:
Its not something you're going to be able to handle quickly as a minor issue.
And any losses the Council takes will take decades if not centuries to replace, because wizards take a long time to grow up and mature. Langtry, Listens to Wind and Ebenezar, for example, are older than the US.
The Gatekeeper is even older.
This is not a side thing.
Its a major plot beat, and likely to be the focus of the entire story arc that its voted for.
If I had to guess, this will take multiple AP to address.