MrWealthman
Filthy Capitalist
- Location
- Deep in the piles of cash.
Yeah before I voted it was ahead by five votes.
Sterbelicht - One Sacrifice At A Time Against The Galaxy (40K)
- Thread starter HeroCooky
- Start date
- Mature Sci-Fi
- Location
- Somewhere on Earth
I mean… yeah? It's a good bonus. Really good, even. I just don't think it'll be as good as the faith trait in Fuck Chaos attributes given that we're offered three traits like that vs one trait like this. Are you saying Beacon is a trap and won't be able to match up to one of three picks?
Beating 621 and Voxx Primus I feel would become a lot easier if we had the trait specialised in fucking over Chaos. Our ships are not that garbage that we need to increase their size by half again just to fight a couple of their early systems.
Also, like, I do see what that trait could do, but I think it's more interesting to follow through on the flavourful trait of our faction that's defined the quest since it started. We get far less of the cultural minutiae of every single one of the candle keeper's systems, and even if we did get a far stronger focus on cultural ties, I don't care as much about it. I want the Faith+ vote because I think it's cool, interesting, and has shown to be a vital tool in no-selling the kind of stuff that lost Neon a ship midbattle when Chaos wasn't focusing on it.
- Pronouns
- They/Them
To be fair, there's literally no way to get any of these "V" traits without taking them at "X" when we'll presumably have follow-ups on all the "V" traits that will be more tempting because they're follow-ups.
We do have a Trait specializing in fucking up Chaos. We literally just improved it last turn! 555, remember?
- Location
- Spain
[X] Plan Shipping, Logistics, and Research
[X] A Beacon Unto The Future
[X] A Beacon Unto The Future
- Location
- Somewhere on Earth
Yes, and when I see this:
And see mass transport of sacrifices to prepared defensive positions or coreworlds, I feel we can reasonably expect ritual spam in enemy territory. And, if you take a look at our current fuck chaos trait, you might note that it defends against light chaos corruption. Not, say, extended engagements against summoned demons like was noted to exist in the same turn, or rituals to enhance corruption. If Beacon just defends against that, that's more than enough, but given the trait description, it will almost certainly give us the tools to massively weaken if not shut out the primary tool our top enemy is preparing.
Professor Vesca
Good News Everyone!
[X] Cyberpunk Warship Corporation
-[X] A Society Dynamic, Bold, And True - [Choose 3]
--[X] Civilian Warp Fleets
--[X] Widespread Augmetic Production
--[X] Logistical Production Analytica
[X] Plan: Cyberpunk Warship Corporation
-[X] A Society Dynamic, Bold, And True - [Choose 3]
--[X] Civilian Warp Fleets
--[X] Widespread Augmetic Production
--[X] Logistical Production Analytica
-[X] A Society Dynamic, Bold, And True - [Choose 3]
--[X] Civilian Warp Fleets
--[X] Widespread Augmetic Production
--[X] Logistical Production Analytica
[X] Plan: Cyberpunk Warship Corporation
-[X] A Society Dynamic, Bold, And True - [Choose 3]
--[X] Civilian Warp Fleets
--[X] Widespread Augmetic Production
--[X] Logistical Production Analytica
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
massed daemon spam is neither easy or cheap, and even then, our dudes can still engage them.
We're not looking at "Someone sees a Nurgling and becomes a Nurgle Cultist". It's "Someone sees a Nurgling, goes 'That is one ugly boi'" and shoots it. There's potential problems if you actually touch the silly thing, but we've got good resistance going, especially since as you've been noticing, I've been making Ship Shrines universal as we've been progressing through the Third Generation, as that's our best defense.
It's not all-or-nothing. As best as I can tell, Corruption is on a scale, and even a rando can absorb a few points and be perfectly fine, if a little shaken. Immunity is just our straight up No Sell threshold.
We're not looking at "Someone sees a Nurgling and becomes a Nurgle Cultist". It's "Someone sees a Nurgling, goes 'That is one ugly boi'" and shoots it. There's potential problems if you actually touch the silly thing, but we've got good resistance going, especially since as you've been noticing, I've been making Ship Shrines universal as we've been progressing through the Third Generation, as that's our best defense.
It's not all-or-nothing. As best as I can tell, Corruption is on a scale, and even a rando can absorb a few points and be perfectly fine, if a little shaken. Immunity is just our straight up No Sell threshold.
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im not searching though 20 pages of discussion for the trait plans can someone link or copy em so i van vote for em and stop the 25 actions
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
25 actions is not in consideration, the fight is between this spread
[ ] Cyberpunk Warship Corporation
-[ ] A Society Dynamic, Bold, And True - [Choose 3]
--[ ] Civilian Warp Fleets
--[ ] Widespread Augmetic Production
--[ ] Logistical Production Analytica
And the Faith Trait Boost. Though everything's all fucked up because it wasn't initially prefaced with Plan, so it looks a lot closer than it is.
(Which isn't to say the Faith Trait boost is bad, it's just not really what I consider what we need right now)
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MrWealthman
Filthy Capitalist
- Location
- Deep in the piles of cash.
Gonna be honest here the only reason I changed my vote was cause the civi warp fleet trait can also be upgraded.
- Location
- United States of America, Michigan
Fine I guess I might as well approval vote for the leading trait plan
[X] Plan Boosting the Void
[X] Cyberpunk Warship Corporation
-[X] A Society Dynamic, Bold, And True - [Choose 3]
--[X] Civilian Warp Fleets
--[X] Widespread Augmetic Production
--[X] Logistical Production Analytica
[X] Plan Boosting the Void
[X] Cyberpunk Warship Corporation
-[X] A Society Dynamic, Bold, And True - [Choose 3]
--[X] Civilian Warp Fleets
--[X] Widespread Augmetic Production
--[X] Logistical Production Analytica
And we are not going to be offered thos traits again, either.
And that's fair, but there are other ways to get a faith turn (being lucky) and we can make up the action difference. There's no other way i know of to pull off upgrading our trait.
- Location
- Somewhere on Earth
I mean, it doesn't really matter if it's easy or not, it's just what's happening:
There are Khornate and Slaanesh daemons attacking worlds in numbers large enough to be noted as an active, independent force. And this is for a chaos polity who, at minimum, has a nigh endless supply of sacrifices for the next several turns. We're not talking about a couple of Nurglings, we're talking about squads, maybe full platoons worth of the corruption specialists and the murder specialists. Sure, they'll be mostly lesser if not all so, but that isn't really what our trait covers outside of light and brief contact.
And, I really feel this needs to be emphasised, they're not going to be stretching themselves funding this. This is a sane chaos lord with as many sacrifices as can be carried by their fleets. We won't have time to spool up for a while because they'll probably be spooling up faster. We need a way to break through what is probably going to be ritual and daemon spam asap, and while I think the leading plan has options available… I mean, this is what Beacon is specialised in.
[X] Plan Boosting the Void
[X] Plan Shipping, Logistics, and Research
[X] Plan Shipping, Logistics, and Research
And we already have a way to deal with them. It's called 'Bomb the shit out them before they can enact the ritual'
Our fighters pilots are probably the best barring centuries old Eldar. Once we have the new bombers researched we will be able to blow sizeable holes into any chaos ship we want.
- Location
- Somewhere on Earth
'Bombing the shit out of prepared bunkers to break through before they cast their ritual' is definitely a plan we can use. I'm not sure it's the one we'd want to use if we had other options. Like, again, they're already reinforcing their front against an assault from us. I would not put money on being quick enough to stop them given the last time we saw a ritual being cast it was outright prebattle. Especially if we have to first spend a turn researching new bombers and thus giving them more time to reinforce the front.
- Location
- Milky Way
I cant understand why Widespread Augmetic Production is preferred over *Mad Binary Screeching*.
*Mad Binary Screeching* means our nation has an functioning R&D sector and we know we cant replicate the auto Action part of it.
Widespread Augmetic Production effect is probably a lot easier to replicate as it is just an investment in the mass production of an existing thing.
*Mad Binary Screeching* means our nation has an functioning R&D sector and we know we cant replicate the auto Action part of it.
Widespread Augmetic Production effect is probably a lot easier to replicate as it is just an investment in the mass production of an existing thing.
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
Yeah, what's apparently an unmitigatable 2 action price when we're usually being choked out every turn by Not Having Enough Actions is absolute suffering.
We can't even find the actions to spare 1 research a turn reliably, I can't imagine a turn where we can spare 2 actions for deep space beacon, even for stabilizing routes.
Kpatrol88
Cloud Hopper
While true, HeroCookie did say that those two actions would currently set up 3 full routes at our current size.
