If he was experimenting on dragonblooded, it's possible that he didn't have one that he could use. We just don't know enough at all.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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If her name goes back to its Sanskrit roots (hope, purity) than she may very well be tied to Hindu pantheon and its intersections with Buddhism. Do we have any gods or spirits in Exalted called Upala, Asa/Asha or Sauca? Though there are a lot of variants her name can go.
Old enough to remember Creation.
OR old enough to have been told/taught tales of Creation.
Could be either.
I dont think its within his power to take the Exaltation of DBs; they have never been that cooperative, else the Primordials would have had their own legions of DBs.
And if he did, he sure as fuck wouldnt have given it away like that; he had loyal disciples.
Id find it significantly more plausible that her mother was a Terrestrial-tier Exalt (Exigent, Terrestrial or Liminal), or that Grandmother is still somewhere in the Underworld, and gave one of her parents a Terrestrial-class Exigent or Liminal shard for their child, than that Kemmler was able to loot a primordial superweapon.
Bullshit has limits.
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We already have Brigid heir and we've gotten almost jack shit visions from that.
I pray not. Because
If we are dealing with what amounts to be Autochton's daughter, we should probably just give up (also, Mother of Spiders should be somewhere inside our soul, not here, according to ours mythos).
Or she was an experiment. She might have required a god as a parent to be made.
We do know a fair bit about what happened. He was doing research into making mantles, and traded critical lore/work from that which relied on the mortal relationship with death to make a new one that drew on all the unclaimed parts of death's background energy. In the sense if energy devoted to it by people and cultures that isn't going to someone in particular already.
He wasn't directly involved with Lydia at all, and was dead for decades by the time she was conceived.
This is why I'm resistant to the idea that he made an exalt. The work was all about dealing with the craft of a mantle for a god, which he successfully did, and never touched on deeper weirder things than secret necromatic lore.
For him to do what you're suggesting he'd have had to steal an exaltation, contain it long term, modified it like only the primordials and gods given their assistance have ever managed, then made it take up a god as a host before slipping to his children.
Why not call him necrautobot at that point, because he'd basically have to be a super primordial in black eyeliner to pull that off.
There's also the issue of his behavior after this needing to conform to canon. If he did repeat the highest level achievements of the gods and primordials of the age of legends, then surpassed them by breaking at least one rule no one else ever has, he'd have to exclude all of it his projects after that to fit. Things would be way too different if he was applying that level of insight to his work during the world wars.
Well, she is out of work currently considering that White God gone with his Free Will approach, Meaning the whole Loom of Fate was obsoleted.
Let me quote you an Exalted vs. World of Darkness revised book, the part about how Abyssal exaltation works:
Does this not sound like a "connection to the universal concept of Death"? Lydia didn't have a celestial exaltation welded to her soul, so her soul has more "space" in it. Kemmler, as the great necromancer, could well have gotten a "sliver of Oblivion". It might have passed onto Lydia. She's an abyssal by way of dragonblooded, or seems to be.
We know too little of what Kemmler passed onto Arawn, too little of how Lydia was made, too little of who or what Lydia's mother is or was (and what happened to Arawn's beloved wife from his myth), etc.
My point is - we can't say that she's a pseudo-exalt with any certainty, and there's at least some evidence, in and out of the story, that she's an actual, no joke, exalt.
There's still something that seers access, and we are still outside of it, as noted by Gard.
I don't see the relevance of that quote. You can do sun magic without being a solar, and the universal concept of death is large enough for a lot of things to rent space in.
Is it flatly impossible? I think so, but I've been wrong before. A more solid claim to make is that there's no evidence except vague thematic parallels and good reason to believe he didn't because it would require a lot of insane in the bad way nonsense on the backend.
We know what he was trying to do, what he was working with, and the nature of the end product. We don't have every step of the instructions, but I feel pretty confident in asserting that his secret family sugar cookie recipe didn't have high explosives in it based on their observed characteristics. We saw, hell we contributed to, a ritual that messed with his mantles. Do we need to give him a magical colonoscopy to say that there definitely wasn't a butchered exaltation in there? You're asking me to prove a negative here, and while I can't be definitive I think it's reasonable to suggest our 10+ success occult rolls in that encounter would have given us a hint about the flayed and screaming elephant in the room.
The question mark is Lydia's mother, so it seems more likely she is the missing ingredients.
Good night guys, see you tomorrow with... Gateway and plague brewing.
(Yes I did have a plan for a chapter called Two Gateways if you choose to get in there by sorcery, why do you ask?
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(Yes I did have a plan for a chapter called Two Gateways if you choose to get in there by sorcery, why do you ask?
)Before I go to sleep, on the matter of how similar Lydia is to Molly: The answer is 'more similar than anyone else she has ever encountered'. One other way to test that would be to get that artifact and have her attune it.
Reminder Gateway can take days to entire months to play.
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Thinking about this we are in the nevernever at the heart of some of its power. Time might be kinda wonky anyways! Given I'm fairly sure the mothers can probably mess with earth to nevernever time to some degree in their home and a deal was made to have this made quickly. So it's probably not a worry.
How close are we to that by the way? I've completely lost track of the break points we're shooting for.
Looking around online this thread mentions there's a variant called Hunting Cat which is much shorter. Maybe we'll play that instead of the classic version.
[X] Play Along: Not in this life, but I would play again for the right stakes (Try to win the Artifact with your new skills in a very old game)
-[X]Leadership Excellency + Boiling Sea Mastery
-[X]STUNT: You regard the not-child for a moment, then smile, reaching back into your backpack for a water bottle. "You had my curiosity" you say, taking a deep drink, then gesturing with the bottle "but now you have my attention." You empty the remnants over your head. "Lets play." You hesitate, remembering your manners. "Uh, by your leave mothers."
-[X]Leadership Excellency + Boiling Sea Mastery
-[X]STUNT: You regard the not-child for a moment, then smile, reaching back into your backpack for a water bottle. "You had my curiosity" you say, taking a deep drink, then gesturing with the bottle "but now you have my attention." You empty the remnants over your head. "Lets play." You hesitate, remembering your manners. "Uh, by your leave mothers."
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After this arc.
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I am pretty sure the Oldfae are wiser then to use such a favor to ask for something we are intrinsically opposed to at least- even if we do it earning the ire of a powerful being like Molly is dangerous even for beings such as them.
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Especially because they seem to know what we are and what kind of potential problem we can be if we are really motivated. In this case, when dealing with Opal and the Mothers, it is better to call them by them origin: Raksha instead of fae.
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
[X] Play Along: Not in this life, but I would play again for the right stakes (Try to win the Artifact with your new skills in a very old game)
-[X]Leadership Excellency + Boiling Sea Mastery
-[X]STUNT: You regard the not-child for a moment, then smile, reaching back into your backpack for a water bottle. "You had my curiosity" you say, taking a deep drink, then gesturing with the bottle "but now you have my attention." You empty the remnants over your head. "Lets play." You hesitate, remembering your manners. "Uh, by your leave mothers."
-[X]Leadership Excellency + Boiling Sea Mastery
-[X]STUNT: You regard the not-child for a moment, then smile, reaching back into your backpack for a water bottle. "You had my curiosity" you say, taking a deep drink, then gesturing with the bottle "but now you have my attention." You empty the remnants over your head. "Lets play." You hesitate, remembering your manners. "Uh, by your leave mothers."
Pattern Spiders and Fae are almost diametrically opposed in function
We wouldnt be getting fae vibes from a creation of Autobot.
Not even a Jadeborn.
I dont get that vibe.
And someone would certainly have dangled it in her face by now.
So far, everyone we've met appears to think Lydia is legit.
People might think MOLLY is some throwback, or aberrant freak of nature, but Lydia appears to fit smoothly into their worldview. That suggests to me that she's a known quantity in general type.
No? Thats Oblivion, not Death. Hence the whole "deprives you of a Name" thing.
Death gods have names, regardless of how firmly
And we have outright seen at least one angel of death in Dresden Files. Thats not how Death works.
I think that frankly you give Kemmler too much credit.
The man had only so much time and resources to spare from trying to make himself a god, while dodging all the people who he managed to piss off.
Elder Solars in the First Age have tried and failed to pull that off, and the Primordials before them failed as well.
Hence such stopgaps as the Golden Children, Half-Castes and Imbue Amalgalm constructs. Its not really plausible that a wizard with orders of magnitude fewer resources, and much less time, could have managed it.
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Ordinary people would take a favor from the Faerie Courts and use those puppies as metaphorical nukes, whether as deterrence or directly.
Molly takes those metaphorical nukes, uses them to make bigger and better (and self-replicating) literal nukes, and uses them immediately with no warning.
Depending on how this turns out, the fact that Molly has four (4) more grand favors will feature heavily in the geopolitical concerns of the supernatural and mundane world, as well as in the nightmares of anybody in the know.
('cause seriously, take a favor from Summer to make an actual plague/virus, spice it up with some Exalted Crafting dice, and you're look at Black Death 2: Electric Boogaloo)
Molly takes those metaphorical nukes, uses them to make bigger and better (and self-replicating) literal nukes, and uses them immediately with no warning.
Depending on how this turns out, the fact that Molly has four (4) more grand favors will feature heavily in the geopolitical concerns of the supernatural and mundane world, as well as in the nightmares of anybody in the know.
('cause seriously, take a favor from Summer to make an actual plague/virus, spice it up with some Exalted Crafting dice, and you're look at Black Death 2: Electric Boogaloo)