Sterbelicht - One Sacrifice At A Time Against The Galaxy (40K)

What should your focus for the rest of the Quest be?

  • Mercy (Diplomacy and Expansion)

    Votes: 210 74.7%

  • Ruthlessness (Kick the Duchy in the Balls)

    Votes: 66 23.5%

  • Thule (Yeeni Handholding and Piscarian Cuddling)

    Votes: 107 38.1%
  • Total voters
    281
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Neablis said:
We voted to spend an action fortifying Barbarun. If we roll over the void forces in Gathin, could we fortify there instead? Or is it too late?
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We're not physically able to hold Gathin, and we'd be idiots to try, it's bordered by two separate hostile powers who each are stronger than us. We're here to stop Chaos from winning, not to get more Clay. If we can get some loot and maybe nab some potential Hereteks for free research and citizens on the way, bonus, but the point here is to Kill Chaos, no more, no less.

Barbarun and Ikatun were ideal targets because they were relatively soft, and each only had a border with a single system, we could dig in and hold the location while pressuring Neon and reducing their slack to retaliate quickly. I considered hitting Quintura, but realized that taking on two Civilized Worlds was a quagmire we couldn't afford to absorb--or should I remind you all how integrating a small handful of barely settled Neon worlds dealt a significant blow to our infrastructure?

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Honestly, the sweet thing here would be if we could capture some of the less-corrupted Chaos ships for more Reverse Engineering and more starlift so we can more easily get our dudes the fuck out when it's time to bail. We've got five dedicated boarder ships coming thanks to the Lamenters going All In here after all. Not every ship in the Chaos Fleet is inherently a Thing of Evil that will Corrupt Everyone who sets foot in it, that's mostly reserved for Daemonships and shit like the Hades or Carnage class. Bagging a Slaughter-class would be a hell of a coup if they've got one, because that thing's got a revolutionary engine that Chaos bent over backwards to make sure they got a monopoly on that makes it as fast as a Destroyer while also having the gunline of a Lunar. If we can grab that and figure it out, it would be a huge benefit to our growing navy.

Of course, if that's the case, it means we're fighting a fairly strong Cruiser, in which case we're going to take losses.
 
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Alectai said:
Honestly, the sweet thing here would be if we could capture some of the less-corrupted Chaos ships for more Reverse Engineering and more starlift so we can more easily get our dudes the fuck out when it's time to bail. We've got five dedicated boarder ships coming thanks to the Lamenters going All In here after all. Not every ship in the Chaos Fleet is inherently a Thing of Evil that will Corrupt Everyone who sets foot in it, that's mostly reserved for Daemonships and shit like the Hades or Carnage class. Bagging a Slaughter-class would be a hell of a coup if they've got one, because that thing's got a revolutionary engine that Chaos bent over backwards to make sure they got a monopoly on that makes it as fast as a Destroyer while also having the gunline of a Lunar. If we can grab that and figure it out, it would be a huge benefit to our growing navy.

Of course, if that's the case, it means we're fighting a fairly strong Cruiser, in which case we're going to take losses.
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Even provided Gathin lacks in any technical data on how to maintain the Equipment stored their, Their is a very high likely hood that the place is Filled to the brim with Grenades, Missile's, Leman russ tanks which might as well be loot boxes given the fact that they can give pre built Heavy Bolters and battle cannons to smooth out our own industrial process.

if we can, I want to loot Gathin to the ground, Our techbase isn't far enough away that we can't repurpose most of the gear within, and at the very least the majority of the equipment is perfect for arming PDF forces without having to spend our own money on it.

The defenses of Gathin has been cracked, If we can kick the Astral claws off of it, the sheer amount of Materiel that we can reuse, Let alone break down and reprocess could keep our military fed for literal decades. Grenades, Rocket launchers, Chimera's and Friends, Grenade launchers, autocannons, Lascannons, Earthshakers.

Not to mention the possibility of something shinier, even the base haul from a armoury world is worth being a loot goblin over until Neon can Russel up a large enough force to force an evacuation.

And this is all the the secondary gains from kicking Huron in the Nuts
 
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Hey er, @HeroCooky? I think there's a mistake with the Monuments for Martyrs, Graves for the Forgotten bit. Laurent's plan was the one that won but you're using frostgiant's plan, which came second.
 
Yeah, broadly, the dream here is we can capture a Warp-capable vessel or two from the Astral Claws' fleet and use it as a loot mule or as part of our extraction strategy. But we'll see what happens, apparently they managed to shit out a fleet as strong as ours from off the map for this op.
 
One worry about Alectai's plan to let Neom take Gathin back, what if they don't? What if they can't?

We might have to face the reality that we will have to keep Gathin if only to to deny it to Chaos.
 
Alectai said:
Yeah, broadly, the dream here is we can capture a Warp-capable vessel or two from the Astral Claws' fleet and use it as a loot mule or as part of our extraction strategy. But we'll see what happens, apparently they managed to shit out a fleet as strong as ours from off the map for this op.
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If they are looting an armory world they probably brought some cargo ships, and I doubt they would spend much effort tainting the warp drive equipped boxs for caring away loot. So we might have better odds than we would expect to be able to nick the starlift we'd need to make off with loot.
 
Amilia said:
One worry about Alectai's plan to let Neom take Gathin back, what if they don't? What if they can't?

We might have to face the reality that we will have to keep Gathin if only to to deny it to Chaos.
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I can't see them writing Gathin off, it's on too critical of a salient and is too high investment.

If they're writing Gathin off, they've effectively written off half their territory. Kriegar isn't a great place to make your stand because it's a penal world, which is going to be a hotbed for this very strategy that cost them a place they actually considered a critical facility. Kriegar isn't equipped to be a major citadel, and if they cede Kreigar too, that cuts off Semumrum, Brigach, Quintura (Which I will remind you, is still two Civilized Worlds in a single System, even if we razed the Void Infrastructure there, that's a major industrial hub.) Malras Zeta, and Saget.

This isn't a matter of "They're that dumb they might do it." This is "If they were that fucking dumb, Neon wouldn't be the 800 pound gorilla who dominated a Sub-Sector". It's not the right kind of dumb.

They'll come for Gathin, and they'll come at it hard, the issue is going to be getting the fuck out because they will kill us if they can, and they're still stronger than we are.

I mean, it's possible they'll decide to cede it, just purge everyone living in Kriegar, and then just dig in there and turn that into their new fortification while Chaos distracts us while reversing our own attempt to let them hold the hot potato. But I don't see how they're going to be that insensitive to losses. Neon does not have a bottomless barrel of Reserves to tap into, and losing all of those stockpiles will be arguably a worse blow than us razing Quintura's void docks was.
 
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Alectai said:
I can't see them writing Gathin off, it's on too critical of a salient and is too high investment.
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Yeah, but what if they can't?

Chaos has just essentially broke through a blockade. Neon has to reinforce everywhere else to ensure they can't use the momentum to take even more planets. And we did raze one of their big shipbuilding sites so their ability to make ships will be severely reduced.

So my worry is that even if Neon takes back Gathin, they lack the forces to hold it and Chaos will just take it once more.
 
Amilia said:
Yeah, but what if they can't?

Chaos has just essentially broke through a blockade. Neon has to reinforce everywhere else to ensure they can't use the momentum to take even more planets. And we did raze one of their big shipbuilding sites so their ability to make ships will be severely reduced.

So my worry is that even if Neon takes back Gathin, they lack the forces to hold it and Chaos will just take it once more.
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Then we burn that bridge when we come to it.

Either way, we can't let Chaos get set up next door if we can interfere with them. That's the Law.
 
killing Chaos and Fucking with their plans isn't a strategy, Its an obligation. The fact we can loot an Armory planet and burn the rest to the ground is just icing on the cake.
 
The main goal seems to be finding and killing the Astral Claws anyway, considering I doubt Chyron will countenance stopping before that point.
 
For all that the vote is uneccesary, I must say that it is nice to have a chance to decide to say no and give us a chance to plan out what we are sending at the same time.

Also, It does tickle me pink that the answer is always, Because yah, That is how I feel about the lamenters for the federation, They are our heroes, brother in blood shed during the uprising. They ensured the Uprising suceeded. Any other chapter would have then proceeded to either leave back to the imperial lines at best, Or take the opportunity to kill so many Heretical Abhumans as a blaze of glory after using us to burn the Dark mechanicum station to the ground.

Legit, The answer is Always, and the first time I read the update I didn't notice that it didn't say yes, So its a nice detail.

Their Grudge is our grudge, And I can't wait to punt Huron in the balls at the culmination of his 6 action coup d'etat out of nowhere for what he did to our Space marine bro's.
 
[X] Plan: I'm Here to Kill Chaos
-[X] Always. (Write-In Forces)
--[X] Task Fleet Alpha should scramble for immediate deployment alongside the Lantern Bearers (Remove 2 Lupus Classes to make room for the Lamenters fleet). First Neumidia and 3rd Droman will be the first wave. Once Void Superiority is won, a single Andromeda should play guide with troopships to shuttle the 1st Gnatillan and 1st Perfinda to the battlespace, as opportunity allows while the remainder of the fleet provide orbital support by way of bomber strikes and maintaining a blockade to cover the gap. If we still need more after that, do a second run to get the 1st Droman and 1st Ubraka to the table for good measure.
--[X] Remember, our objective is to Kill Chaos, no more, no less. We'll take any benefits we can from the place and liberate anyone and everything we can (Ships that aren't horribly corrupted, industry, like-minded people), but we don't have the ability to hold this place long term at this time. Be ready to bug out as best as we can if Neon sends reserves to liberate the planet. If we can capture any Chaos troopships or transports as part of our operation, and we have no reason to believe that a short excursion will be dangerous to our crews, don't be unwilling to repurpose them to carry the loot/troops on the way out at least to Barbarun. Refugees should probably stick to our sanctified ships though. Remember that we can, in fact, load people on a ship on the way out after all.

 
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[X] Plan: I'm Here to Kill Chaos
-[X] Always. (Write-In Forces)
--[X] Task Fleet Alpha should scramble for immediate deployment alongside the Lantern Bearers (Remove 2 Lupus Classes to make room for the Lamenters fleet). First Neumidia and 3rd Droman will be the first wave. Once Void Superiority is won, a single Andromeda should play guide with troopships to shuttle the 1st Gnatillan and 1st Perfinda to the battlespace, as opportunity allows while the remainder of the fleet provide orbital support by way of bomber strikes and maintaining a blockade to cover the gap. If we still need more after that, do a second run to get the 1st Droman and 1st Ubraka to the table for good measure.
--[X] Remember, our objective is to Kill Chaos, no more, no less. We'll take any benefits we can from the place and liberate anyone and everything we can (Ships that aren't horribly corrupted, industry, like-minded people), but we don't have the ability to hold this place long term at this time. Be ready to bug out as best as we can if Neon sends reserves to liberate the planet. If we can capture any Chaos troopships or transports as part of our operation, and we have no reason to believe that a short excursion will be dangerous to our crews, don't be unwilling to repurpose them to carry the loot/refugees/troops on the way out.
 
[X] Plan: I'm Here to Kill Chaos


Finally, a proper fight with Chaos, last time we were about to deal with Chaos they fled the moment the Lamenters entered the system.
 
time is our advantage,our mechanicus isnt shackled and it can keep innovating,our pop growth is likely better than anything that isnt a hiveworld (religious conservative culture combined with active effort to encourage child making and advanced tech)

and we are chaos resistant

all of this combined makes us rather strong as civilization as time passes
the imperium advantage is the sheer numbers,the industrial base and the navigators

if we survive long enough we might achieve "too strong to bother" category
 
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[] [General] Research:
-[] New Fighters for a New Age (0/2)
(Gain: New Fighters.)
-[] New Bombers for a New Age (0/2)
(Gain: New Bombers.)
-[] Ship Design Improvements (0/2)
(Gain: +2 DP to all Ship Classes)

Frankly I'm just stoked for when we get enough breathing room to do some proper research. The Libra is gonna get jacked from these options. Also:

[X] Plan: I'm Here to Kill Chaos
 
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