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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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Well if we take the idea that Dresden Files creation is the fourth or fifth or whatever iteration of original creation later then Dresden Files white God is still operating using the operating schema of first creation which as far as I know first creation was built by the primordials by tying together six or so shimma which Defined existence (Things exist) location (Things exist in different places), identity (Things can exist as wholly separated things), Communication (Things that exist can imply and convey meaning in myriad fashion), Change (Things that exists can be rotted enhanced combined in otherwise manipulated), Interaction (Things that exist can directly affect the existence of other things in a meaninful and myriad fashion). These when paired with the creation of linear time creates a solid stable Base by which more and more Creations were capable being built apparently God as it stands has probably built the Silver City directly on this stable base which means if the crown is pinging the base of existence for answers we are literally looking over God's shoulder to do that.
Wouldn't that violate our agreement with the White God? Angels are angels, Fallen or not.
Apparently not I do remember us asking about Fallen Angels before apparently when they threw away God's light they also threw away his protection. We can't ask a fallen angel questions about regular angels but we can ask any question about the Fallen ones all we like.
If the outside maps to the wyld in some respect that still wouldn't be relevant. The whole point of those things to be a foundation to build up from and the division they provide from undifferentiated chaos would be without meaning if they also encompassed it.
The most reasonable assumption I have is that the eye just looks at whatever's the easiest source for whatever we're looking for, but there's not a lot backing that.
We agreed not to peek into the white god's mind, which is more about the knowledge gained than the foci used.
Technically looking at a cake and asking for the big guy's favorite flavor would be in violation of our agreement, but unless the means of killing a fallen Angel by necessity involved knowing more of god's thoughts I don't think it'd be covered.
He did say we'd get a sign if we're uncertain, and I doubt heaven is going to screen prayers from Molly with the header "Re: Our agreement and its applicability to your recipe for deep fried Angel wings"*.
If we want to ask that question pray first and, give the white god a second to do a thing, then ask if he doesn't make it clear we shouldn't.
Or we could do it the fun way and ask Forthill. Technically priests are supposed to be the intermediaries between their congregations and god, so asking corporate for clarifications on contract obligations is his problem.
* Incidentally, my assumption on this is that we need them to be exposed to do it. Stabbing the coins hard enough might work, but I'd be afraid of starting a true blue contest with a Celestine doing it.
However, we know that some Denarian partnerships are deeper than others. People like Magog are on one end of the spectrum, ruining their hosts and losing the leverage to use much of their power as a result. Anduriel is on the other, basically married to Nicodemus since the days of Rome and horrifically powerful because of it.
This is very tenuous speculation, but it'd make sense to me if the same thing that made Lash possible applied here. To speak they must also allow themselves to be spoken to, and to grant power they must also expose it.
So somehow we'd need to go through the host to get the Angel.
It maps to the Wyld because the Shinma existed / didn't exist in the Wyld before they were Bound by the primordials they could be invoked by beings unshaped unformed whatever you want to call them in time not to temporarily be Extant The primordials Binding them made them always on which completely fucked the Wyld when paired with the creation of time.
Suddenly these things that could be invoked to give a particular Dimension to a play or a false moment within time-not are now always on and when paired with causality means things have identities always, they cannot be this and that, they must be this or that even in the Wyld.
If you walk into it still has waypoints time is deeply abstracted but you still must travel from location to location they're not allowed to be on top of each other though incidentally they might actually be on top of each other but you still have to leave the location to get to the next one is, but that is how you supposed to travel the wild as described by exalted you move from Waypoint to Waypoint and waypoints are abstracted points within the Wyld that may correspond to some kind of physical feature or maybe not.
Tldr: The Shinma when bound together in conjunction with time have an inescapable defining influence even if you're in the Wyld.
Arc 12 Post 9: Maxwell's Demon Running Loose
Maxwell's Demon Running Loose
23st of January 2007 A.D.
"Wait a sec," you raise a hand and inwardly ask a simple question: What's on the other side? The answer comes in verse, jagged near-perfection that scratches at the soul, near enough symmetry to cry out for an end:
It's like a thunderstorm if thunderbolts gathered in bushels around a frozen heart.
It's like a serpent that coils if serpents were cold blooded in whole and not in part
It's like a song, made of silences, the place that order breaks and sanity yet dies
It's a mote of lost stardust, an answer to Divine lies the ultimate poisoned prize
It's like a serpent that coils if serpents were cold blooded in whole and not in part
It's like a song, made of silences, the place that order breaks and sanity yet dies
It's a mote of lost stardust, an answer to Divine lies the ultimate poisoned prize
"Well, what on Earth, or off it I guess is it? What do you see?" Olivia asks eagerly. She's never even been to the near-Spirit World to the lands of the fey even, the closest she had come to that was Maria's wedding when you had explained her heritage.
"It's the Dimension of Almost Finished Puzzles and yeah that is as weird as it sounds. The world we are living in, physical reality is in dynamic balance. The lion eats the antelope that eats the grass that eats the dead lion, in time even the stars will go out, the brightest fire left in the universe and in time also even the cold dust between the stars will coalesce into new stars, that kind of thing..."
"You know one of those things sounded a lot spookier than the other," Olivia points out, though her eyes are smiling.
"So like it's missing an element?" Lydia asked, more professionally intrigued by the whole thing.
"No, that is the weird thing, it's like a place that has all the four elements almost in imitation of the universe we are familiar with, but no one gave it that first jolt of motive power. It should be entirely livable, you could throw a baby in there and it should be fine, not that you should of course," you haste to add too late.
"Suggested throwing babies into weird alternate dimensions," Olivia mimes writing something down in a notebook, like she is an investigative reporter looking for a scoop.
With an eyeroll and a very dramatic sigh if you do say so yourself you continue: "It also feels very high energy which makes sense when you consider what was meant to occur here, the death of a senior wizard at the hands of a hated foe. That would make for a lot of power, nasty resonance of course, but a lot of power, maybe enough to fire up the processes on the other side in a way that is convenient for those assholes... huh fire. Maybe exposure of the secret world wasn't the main purpose, or at least not the only purpose."
Rather than dive in the three of you decide to check out the mundane side of news, which on a college campus even more so than in most places means the internet. Looking for odd happenstances ind nothing on public forums, but there is one odd thing that has tongues or mouse hands as the case may be wagging. "It says here that Hollis Hall is in renovations for an indeterminate period of time until they can fix the heating system. That would not be so strange if one guy didn't come down with severe hypothermia in there in September."
"Dates line up," Olivia notes.
"And that sounds like it's worse than a broken heating system," Lydia agrees. "Ghosts can cause cold patches even without meaning to, a particularly malicious one could certainly turn that against the living. Is this an old building?"
"Third oldest in the College. George Washington apparently quartered troops in there during the Revolutionary War," you explain, reading off Clippy's notes. She has always been brilliant, but she is getting even better at colating information into a useful format.
The daughter of Arwan nods. "If this magician in love with flame fundamentally altered the nature of the local spirit world it could have awokened, empowered or enraged spirits that are now acting up. I'd like to go check that out eventually."
"Aren't evil ghosts a bit more of an energency?" Olivia is a bit more weary this time. It's hard to imagine that Lydia's shrug was much of a comfort. "The living seem to be in no danger now and the dead are patient."
What do you do?
[] Step into the spirit world
-[] Write in preparations you wish to make
[] Check out Hollis Hall
-[] Bluff your way inside: Write in Stunt Optional
-[] Break in: Write in stunt Optional
-[] Write in
[] Write in
OOC: Enjoy.
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Did the Primordials bind the Shinma? For what I know of them and their nature, even the Rhaksha stayed in areas defined by a Shinma because only there could meaningful stories be told. The Shinma define the axioms which allow meaning to exist, Existance, Form, Identity, Location, Failure, Communication, and Conflict. The Primordials built upon these in creation to make physical constants like 'gravity' and 'time' and 'language', but all Rhaksha are using the Axioms of the Shinma whenever they tell any story no matter how alien to creation. The Primordials might have just bound the Shinma of Form, since apparently they act as something that you must pass through between creation in and the Wyld? They beat up the Formless that gives form and forced then to define that creation has a solid, non-chaotic form.
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Given that to kindle a fire is to build it up from a spark or ember into a full-fledged flame, I doubt "kindle" is the intended word here. Perhaps "dwindle"?
Fixed, thanks.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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[X] Step into the spirit world
-[x] Write in preparations you wish to make
--[x]A full tank of essanse.
-[x] Write in preparations you wish to make
--[x]A full tank of essanse.
So, wait, it's a place waiting for a young primordial to kick down the door and confidently declare "let there be light?". Am I reading this correctly, that this is a (mini) universe stuck in the moment before Divine Ignition, and primed to go if someone provides that final push?
Are we going to be making our own micro Yu Shan here?
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More like Zen-Mu, given the scope
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Keep in mind, if it is still part of the Nevernever, it is not materially real.
As in, stuff from there should fall apart into ectoplasm soon after bringing it to earth.
Actually real dimensions don't just hang out there, waiting to be discovered, at least not in the DF-setting.
As in, stuff from there should fall apart into ectoplasm soon after bringing it to earth.
Actually real dimensions don't just hang out there, waiting to be discovered, at least not in the DF-setting.
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[X] Step into the spirit world
Let's go, 12 essense should be fine for a peek.
Though I've been rereading and am in the Vegas Arc, what was the release condition on that Dawn Caste Exaltation? We know it's still there are can possibly do something with it later right?
Let's go, 12 essense should be fine for a peek.
Though I've been rereading and am in the Vegas Arc, what was the release condition on that Dawn Caste Exaltation? We know it's still there are can possibly do something with it later right?
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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That actually sounds like a seed for a charm idea. Making stuff in the Never-Never real.
That basically just Wyld cauldron refining, which was deliberately omitted.
[X] Step into the spirit world
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Could probably write up an Ancient Sorcery spell with that capability, it's the kind of thing you would think it capable of, though it would be as long-casting and hefty essense-costing as most Ancient Sorcery spells. Good for individual important items now and again, but not much else.
It is unfinished in some fundamental aspect so yeah you might be able to alter it. Then again keep in mind it has been designed by a collection of warlocks and demons for who knows what purpose so it's on Molly and Co if they want to try to salvage something and take any risks that come with it.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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How would that even work in the World of Darkness setting?
Trips into the deep Umbra or somesuch no doubt.